I know I'm coming in kinda late to this ... my apologies ... i don't
read this list as often as I'd like ...
but ... I thought the OS was still MVS ... and z/OS was a package that
included MVS and a bunch of components (DFSMShsm, RACF, etc.) ...
--Stephen
On 08/26/2011 11:43 AM, Phil
On 8/28/2011 1:48 PM, Stephen Y Odo wrote:
but ... I thought the OS was still MVS ... and z/OS was a package that
included MVS and a bunch of components (DFSMShsm, RACF, etc.) ...
That is exactly how OS/390 was pitched when it first came out. Instead of having
to order and install MVS, your
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On 8/26/2011 3:28 PM, Gene Hudders wrote:
I guess IBM did not get the message. Look at this URL. It clearly states
MVS just under Metal C. This is for z/OS R12.
MVS is still part of z/OS.
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Very much of indeed.
Regards Lim ML
On 27/08/11 2:45 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote:
On 8/26/2011 3:28 PM, Gene Hudders wrote:
I guess IBM did not get the message. Look at this URL. It clearly states
MVS just under Metal C. This is for z/OS R12.
MVS is still part of z/OS.
Phil
... USS? No, let's not go THERE again!
... so I looked at the 1.12 z/OS library
So you just did go there![1]
Your technique is a very close match to the way I have presented my case that
the misuse of which Mr[2] MacNeil is such a vociferous and rude advocate is
again wrong!
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Ted MacNeil wrote:
I never said that!
Hence, nonsequitor!
Or worse: strawman.
OK, so what were you suggesting? That's how I interpreted what you said. I
asked you to elucidate; I never said that really doesn't do so. I'd really
*like* to grok what you're saying. As I noted, what I wrote was meant
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Ted MacNeil wrote:
I said MVS.
You said Model-T vs Taurus as a misrepresentation of what I said: what's
the difference?
If that's not a strawman, what is it?
It's an analogy. Read up on it. Take a basic logic course.
PS: a few others have pointed out that MVS is still an essential component
of
It's an analogy. Read up on it. Take a basic logic course.
How many legs does a dog have if you call a tail a leg?
Four, because no matter what you call it a tail is NOT a leg.
'Done with it?'
Your last comment was circular.
But, don't worry (just) to keep you happy, I won't bother to respond.
On 8/26/2011 2:07 PM, Phil Smith III wrote:
Anyone read this? I have PC kids I work with who are likely to read it,
wonder what others thought. I read the pages Amazon would let me preview,
and it didn't seem horrible, though it loses points for being published in
2008 and calling System z
calling System z zSeries. But who knows, he may have been working
on the project since before 2005, and of course (too!) many people still use
the old name.
What's wrong with that?
I still call it MVS!
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Ted MacNEIL
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Twitter: @TedMacNEIL
Ted MacNeil wrote, re zSeries vs. System z:
What's wrong with that?
I still call it MVS!
Ok, but it's not MVS any more. Do you drive a Model T? Is your desktop a
486? Do you run Windows 95?
Sure, it's a nit. I freely admit that. But System z implies functionality
that zSeries does not,
Ok, but it's not MVS any more. Do you drive a Model T? Is your desktop a
486? Do you run Windows 95?
Look at a lot of the manuals from IBM!
MVS is in the title.
The rest of your response is nonsequitor.
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Ted MacNEIL
eamacn...@yahoo.ca
Twitter: @TedMacNEIL
Hi:
I guess IBM did not get the message. Look at this URL. It clearly states
MVS just under Metal C. This is for z/OS R12.
_http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/_
(http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/)
Regards,
Gene
In a message dated 8/26/2011 5:55:18 P.M.
On 8/26/2011 5:43 PM, Phil Smith III wrote:
Ok, but it's not MVS any more. Do you drive a Model T? Is your desktop a
486? Do you run Windows 95?
In 1984 I built a PC from parts - Intel 386 on an AT format
motherboard, with one 5 and one 3.5 floppy. It's not connected
to the internet, has
Ted MacNeil wrote:
Look at a lot of the manuals from IBM!
MVS is in the title.
OK, that intrigued me, so I looked at the 1.12 z/OS library
(http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/r12pdf/).
Out of 384 books, 73 have MVS in the title. However, of those, only 11
don't *also* have z/OS --
On Sat, Aug 27th, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
In 1984 I built a PC from parts - Intel 386 on an AT format
motherboard, with one 5 and one 3.5 floppy. It's not connected
to the internet, has never been hacked, and stays up during
power outages
Ooooh - I need one of them ...
indeed, it looks like IBM is *not* using MVS in the title to refer to
z/OS, except with books that they have not updated since it was MVS, or
when they mean the MVS side.
WLM books all have MVS in their titles.
Others to do with System Programming/Programmer's Guide do, as well.
Not trying to
Steve Gentry wrote:
Phil, what's your concern with it being called a zSeries?
I thought IBM labeled it as such.
The z900, z800, z990, and z890 were zSeries machines. With the advent of the
z9 in 2005, the zSeries name was retired, and the z9, z10, and zEnterprise
are System z machines instead.
Hey, what's the difference? They're both processors/cars -- uh, ok.
I never said that!
Hence, nonsequitor!
Or worse: strawman.
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Ted MacNEIL
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Twitter: @TedMacNEIL
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