Last year, I downloaded the IEHS and successfully ran it on my
Windows laptop as a stand-alone application. It's kinda big
(like 12MB), but it works. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/iehs
Ed,
did you find books in eplcise plugin format, e.g. the z/OS library?
--
Peter Hunkeler
Credit Suisse
Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:
Last year, I downloaded the IEHS and successfully ran it on my
Windows laptop as a stand-alone application. It's kinda big
(like 12MB), but it works. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/iehs
Ed,
did you find books in eplcise plugin format, e.g. the z/OS
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:32:23 +0100, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I wonder if an open-source .BOO reader has merit. As well as perhaps an
open-source writer.
I like that idea. But are you sure that IBM will disclose the .boo format? As
far as I know, it is proprietary!
Well, if IBM
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:41:35 -0600, Arthur Gutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:32:23 +0100, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I wonder if an open-source .BOO reader has merit. As well as perhaps an
open-source writer.
I like that idea. But are you sure that IBM will
Leo Smith wrote:
Why wouldn't you just use the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf?
Here's how to find it:
1) Go to the z/OS Internet library Web page (includes links to z/VM
and z/VSE manuals, too) at:
http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
2) Once there, click on the Bookshelf titles
I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some helper scripts for
PDFs. I know this is a VAGUE wondering. Will repeat it on Twitter and see
if anyone bites in either forum. :-)
Martin Packer
Performance Consultant
IBM United Kingdom Ltd
+44-20-8832-5167
+44-7802-245-584
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin Packer wrote:
I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some helper scripts
for PDFs. I know this is a VAGUE wondering. Will repeat it on Twitter
and see if anyone bites in either forum. :-)
Better yet Martin, how about twisting some upper appendages to get some
sensible download
Yeah, I missed that you needed them locally. I was just responding
to being able to easily search the z/VM V5R4 manuals from the Internet.
Regarding download: For z/OS, at least, you can use Softcopy Librarian to
download
books/PDFs/bookshelves/bookshelf indexes.
See:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 12/01/2008
at 08:51 PM, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
Please stick with BookManager unless and until you can supply something
else at least as
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
12/02/2008
at 10:08 AM, Gibney, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista someday
soon.
I'd like Linux and OS/2 versions, non-Java.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see
Shmuel Metzwrote:
I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista someday
soon.
I'd like Linux and OS/2 versions, non-Java.
What he said - although I don't relish resurrecting my old OS/2
floppies yet again ... :eek:
A usable Linux (definitely __non-Java__) version would be
Thank you for your thoughts and comments.
Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas
books, and was intended to be limited to those books. There is no thought
that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data
areas in both book and PDF format. So
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:25:04 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..]
Really, it shouldn't be this difficult to find the info we want/need.
Indeed. Isn't there some sort of 'minimum documentation' requirement? Since
we no longer have any hardcopy, we ought to have usable software. PDF just
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:45:52 -0600, Arthur Gutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:25:04 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..]
Really, it shouldn't be this difficult to find the info we want/need.
Indeed. Isn't there some sort of 'minimum documentation' requirement? Since
There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS
manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format.
There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping
the .boo format for some of their books. I recently had the need to
get current books for DB2
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter Relson
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Snipped
The only issue currently on the table is whether the data
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/02/2008
at 11:04 AM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
These days a big honkin' USB hard drive might be a better choice.
What's wrong with old fashioned DVD's?
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shane
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Martin Packer wrote:
I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some helper scripts
for PDFs. I know this is a VAGUE
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/02/2008
at 11:04 AM, Tom Marchant
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Thompson, Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They can get scratched and become unreadable. Just had it happen. We had
an INSTALL DVD get a scratch on it, and it became a coaster. Mind you,
it was in a protection sleeve inside a thick cardboard media envelope.
Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:
There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS
manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format.
There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping
the .boo format for some of their books. I recently had the
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:16:57 -0500, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you for your thoughts and comments.
Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas
books, and was intended to be limited to those books.
Ok. That wasn't clear to me before, hence my comments
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:23:19 -0800, Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:
There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS
manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format.
There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:23:19 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote:
Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:
There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping
the .boo format for some of their books. I
Chase, John wrote:
I hope so. The Library Centers are Java-based, and it takes a couple
of weeks just for the navigation frame to populate.
Information Centers are also Java based...
--
Edward E Jaffe
Phoenix Software International, Inc
5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800
Los Angeles, CA 90045
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
Chase, John wrote:
I hope so. The Library Centers are Java-based, and it takes a
couple
of weeks just for the navigation frame to populate.
Information Centers are also Java based...
Hmmm
I'll add one other feature: no JAVA dependancies!
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 12/01/2008
at 08:51 PM, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas
books, and was intended to be limited to those books. There is no thought
that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data
areas in both book and PDF format. So that should allay some of the fear.
No,
Rick Fochtman:
As Bob Shannon noted, the initial z/OS 1.10 bookshelf did not have the
data areas books. IBM developers (and perhaps others) complained and
apparently now they do. There is no indication that this will
necessarily continue in subsequent releases.
I would still appreciate your
snip
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
unsnip
As one who spends a fair amount of time using BookManager, I would greatly
appreciate IBM retaining BookManager for the manuals. BookManager is
easier to navigate
A parallel discussion on Bookmanager vs PDF is going on on Twitter right
now. It's a DB2-centric conversation but I've attempted to bring a z/OS
(corroborative) perspective to the discussion.
Martin Packer
Performance Consultant
IBM United Kingdom Ltd
+44-20-8832-5167
+44-7802-245-584
[EMAIL
Snipped
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
I will add my USD$0.02 as well. Bookmanager is the best search engine
by far, and as others have said the ability to search across shelves as
well as books on a shelf is
Colleagues,
My thoughts on the Book Manager versus PDF issue:
- Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals, for
different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not practical to
download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC, laptop, etc., or
to charge someone with
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:51:15 -0500, Peter Relson wrote:
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
I prefer bookmanager for everything except printing. When I only want to
print or copy/paste a small bit, I will often use
- Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals,
for different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not
practical to download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC,
laptop, etc., or to charge someone with doing the same on a
company server.
[snip]
- Book Manager
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:51:15 -0500, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
Would a few comments on IBM-MAIN help? I've been filling out surveys
at SHARE for the last 4 years
In a message dated 12/2/2008 10:01:55 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
by far, and as others have said the ability to search across shelves as
well as books on a shelf is crucial. And the hits are usually right on
target.
Our DR plan included copies of 'current
Hi,
I agree with the Investment banker ... and disagree with the Ims utility
developer from Tom DeLay's country or the Secession state..
Buy the DVD and copied it all over the place.
The Advantage of the PDF's ? Some how it's easier to print parts of a PDF.
BookManager does not or will not
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:14:18 EST, Ed Finnell wrote:
Our DR plan included copies of 'current manuals' of all products. Usually
this was spun off on CDs
in whatever formats the vendor provided.
These days a big honkin' USB hard drive might be a better choice. You could
put a lot of other stuff on
Mark Zelden wrote:
Would a few comments on IBM-MAIN help? I've been filling out surveys
at SHARE for the last 4 years indicating that I want to keep BookManager
format and almost every other sysprog and developer I know has been
doing the same thing. Haven't we made our case by now? Is
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:04:50 -0600, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:14:18 EST, Ed Finnell wrote:
Our DR plan included copies of 'current manuals' of all products. Usually
this was spun off on CDs
in whatever formats the vendor provided.
These days a big honkin' USB
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:19:26 -0600, John McKown wrote:
Our DR person says that anything used at DR must be stored at Iron Mountain.
That is, we are not allowed to take anything in with us other than pens and
blank paper. No USB devices, no documentation, zippo.
Iron Mountain can't store a USB
Actually, with Softcopy Librarian, it is easy and practical to download
most every manual you need. I guess needing older versions is a
complication, but right now, I have z/OS 1.7 thru z/OS 1.10 at work and
1.7/1.9 on my laptop.
I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:51:30 -0600, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:19:26 -0600, John McKown wrote:
Our DR person says that anything used at DR must be stored at Iron Mountain.
That is, we are not allowed to take anything in with us other than pens and
blank paper. No
Would it help if we stop calling it BookMangler ? :-)
Seriously, I am a big fan of the Book Manager format and would be lost
without it. I find the TSO interface particularly useful, especially
when looking up messages and codes.
Please remember that not all shops allow their programmers to
AND with FTP/TLS -- No unsecured (in clear) credentials allowed to
access the mainframe so native FTP is disallowed and the Librarian
product only uses in clear.
Jerry Whitteridge
Mainframe Engineering
Safeway Inc
925 951 4184
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If everything seems under control, you're just not
When I can access PDF from TSO/ISPF I'd be willing to drop the need for
Bookmanager format books. If I'm working a problem (either in house or
in a DR) I need the doc where I'm working and not rely on connectivity
to other platforms (either in house or externally at IBM).
Jerry Whitteridge
+1 for BookManager. And I'm one of those Mark referred to as filling
out the survey at Share.
Seems it's geting harder to get manuals, not easier. I needed some z/VM
5.4 manuals recently. All I could find (that was usable) was a web page
with a table of pdfs. Knocked up a script to cycle through
Why wouldn't you just use the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf?
Here's how to find it:
1) Go to the z/OS Internet library Web page (includes links to z/VM and
z/VSE manuals, too) at:
http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
2) Once there, click on the Bookshelf titles and filenames link under
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/02/2008
at 09:18 AM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
BookManager Build for Windows is flat-out no longer supported by IBM
and will not work with the latest word processor and Java releases. We
have to keep old versions of these around--even old, dedicated
As Bob Shannon noted, the initial z/OS 1.10 bookshelf did not have the data
areas books. IBM developers (and perhaps others) complained and apparently
now they do. There is no indication that this will necessarily continue in
subsequent releases.
I would still appreciate your comments regarding
--snip-
As Bob Shannon noted, the initial z/OS 1.10 bookshelf did not have the
data areas books. IBM developers (and perhaps others) complained and
apparently now they do. There is no indication that this will
necessarily
Hi Peter,
My $0.02. So many manuals, so little time, so much we need to know. Book and
PDF have different strengths. Book is stellar at search, with the search
across collections being, for me, a critically useful feature. Research and
digging info out of the docs would be so much more
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Shannon
did you register that IBM is no more delivering z/OS MVS Data Areas!
Data Areas are still available, but unfortunately only in PDF format,
not in Book Manager format.
???
I have the Bookmanager
The data areas books are still available, in PDF format; they are not in
book format.
I don't have the link offhand; they're in with all the other PDFs.
Your comments on this approach are of interest.
Note that I believe this approach was taken for the JES books earlier
(after the ridiculous
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion On Behalf Of Peter Relson
The data areas books are still available, in PDF format; they are not
in book format.
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/IEA2BK90
BookPDF z/OS V1R10.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 1
I have the Bookmanager format z/OS 1.10 MVS Data Areas Vol. 1 manual open in
a Firefox window as we speak. Vols. 2 - 6 also display in the list of
books in the MVS Bookshelf.
Interesting. This is a very late addition which was not in the original 1.10
bookshelf.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
FYI
I stumbled upon this today:
Links to the Bookmanager versions of the MVS Data Areas books for z/OS
1.10
As follows:
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/MVS10DA1/CCONTENTS?SHELF=IEA2BK90DN=NADT=20081112100913
Peter Relson wrote:
The data areas books are still available, in PDF format; they are not in
book format.
Check again. They are also in Book format.
--
Edward E Jaffe
Phoenix Software International, Inc
5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800
Los Angeles, CA 90045
310-338-0400 x318
[EMAIL
In a message dated 11/30/2008 10:41:12 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sure looks and acts like Book Manager format to me.
Probably some broken down PSR that had used BM format to diagnose 1000's of
dumps figured they'd do us a servicevbg
**Life
Your comments on this approach are of interest.
I'm still using the Library Reader as the reference tool. It's fast,
let's me search whole book shelves. It's not so good on printing more
that a very few pages - PDF is the better way to go for this.
In a big company, behind all the firewalls,
did you register that IBM is no more delivering z/OS MVS Data Areas!
Data Areas are still available, but unfortunately only in PDF format, not in
Book Manager format.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
--
For IBM-MAIN subscribe /
See if this link is what you are looking for.
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/MVS10DA1/CCONTENT
S?SHELF=IEA2BK90DN=NADT=20081112100913
or tinyurl
http://tinyurl.com/5fh5ef
Title: MVS Data Areas Volume 1 (ABEP-DCCB)
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