Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-28 Thread Don Higgins
Martin, all I am pleased to hear that IBM is embracing social networks including Facebook, LinkedIn, and Twitter. Companies that want to connect with their customers and attract bright young college grads need to get onboard. College grads today assume everyone is on Facebook. When asked

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-27 Thread Martin Packer
Facebook access is not just allowed in IBM but actively encouraged. And heavily used. (Likewise Slideshare, LinkedIn, FourSquare and Twitter - and this isn't a prescriptive list.) Martin Martin Packer, Mainframe Performance Consultant, zChampion Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-26 Thread Ralph Robison
In the context of this debate, you may find it interesting to read IBM Social Computing Guidelines at http://www.ibm.com/blogs/zz/en/guidelines.html The page provides a bit of history and rationale for encouraging the use of social media before getting into some fairly detailed guidelines. It

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-26 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 26 May 2011 09:32:20 -0500, Ralph Robison ralph.robi...@compuware.com wrote: In the context of this debate, you may find it interesting to read IBM Social Computing Guidelines at http://www.ibm.com/blogs/zz/en/guidelines.html snip Since I started this thread I want to add something

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-26 Thread Jim Thomas
Robison Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) In the context of this debate, you may find it interesting to read IBM Social Computing Guidelines at http://www.ibm.com/blogs/zz/en

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-26 Thread David Cole
At 5/26/2011 10:32 AM, Ralph Robison wrote: In the context of this debate, you may find it interesting to read IBM Social Computing Guidelines at http://www.ibm.com/blogs/zz/en/guidelines.html Great find, Ralph! Thanks, Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-26 Thread Martin Packer
: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 26/05/2011 18:47 Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-26 Thread Jim Mulder
We have some IBMers on this list. Would any of them care to divulge whether facebook access is allowed from the office network or not? Facebook can be accessed from the office network, at least in Poughkeepsie. I would guess that the following Facebook account is maintained by someone in

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ted MacNEIL wrote: It's not necessarily phobic. It's the fact that most of your customers' management have policies in place to block. Very true, most of those managements [1] don't like it that you use the company's resources to access things which could be classified as 'private' or 'non

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread Thomas David Rivers
Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: snip Direct email to your customers would be the most straightforward way to accomplish such notice. A newsletter would be appropriate too. I suspect that any or all of your employees already have the necessary skills for that kind of communication.

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread Jeff Holst
My employer doesn't even allow access to LinkedIn from the corporate domain. Jeff Holst -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread Steve Comstock
On 5/24/2011 6:34 AM, Thomas David Rivers wrote: Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: snip Direct email to your customers would be the most straightforward way to accomplish such notice. A newsletter would be appropriate too. I suspect that any or all of your employees already have the

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread Andreas F. Geissbuehler
I use, trust and recommend OpenDNS - here is their warning and advice: Understanding the latest Facebook scam View the original post on the OpenDNS blog: http://tinyurl.com/3jbnodp Every few weeks there's a new scam that makes the rounds on Facebook. This week it's the Find out who visits your

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread David Cole
At 5/23/2011 09:26 PM, Doug wrote: Cole, The 'Rants and Raves' of the list really do show a unique, though somewhat 'mainframe' view. Glad to see you are still hard at it! Let the Good Karma flow and just sit back and enjoy! Doug Thanks for the encouragement Doug. I appreciate it. [:)]

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
David Cole wrote: Blocking web categories is about as good an idea as cutting diamonds with sledgehammers would be... Yup. Argueing with them holding those hammers proved fruitless... :-) Another reason is that your company network must be available as much for their customers for, ahem,

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
On Mon, 23 May 2011 07:46:41 +0100, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: On a brighter note we don't seem to have been all that slow to adopt Web 1.0. (But maybe I forget...) :-) But I see a big difference between Web 1.0 and Facebook: in Web 1.0, we set up a website and owned the

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Most? (a) Perhaps. (b) Perhaps not. But Ummm, that's not a fact Ted, that's just a speculation. Actually, it's not. The Toronto Star did a survey a while back and found that a vast majority of corporations block all forms of social media. While F-B was not specified, it is a social site. I

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread David Cole
Please add a third question to your poll... LinkedIn Specifically? Thanks At 5/24/2011 01:41 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: Most? (a) Perhaps. (b) Perhaps not. But Ummm, that's not a fact Ted, that's just a speculation. Actually, it's not. The Toronto Star did a survey a while back and found that

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Okay. This is the absolute last change. Again please send responses to edwardamacn...@yahoo.ca Does your company block access to: 1. Social Media, in general? 2. FaceBook, specifically? 3. LinkedIn Specifically? I'm not sure how to evaluate any responses before the change in question. But, if

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4ddba5be.9060...@dignus.com, on 05/24/2011 at 08:34 AM, Thomas David Rivers riv...@dignus.com said: We get e-mail bounces all the time because we wind up on some spam-list somewhere, or someone doesn't put us in their white list. Are you sending them yourself or using an ESP? That sort of

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of15e33e12.392d11eb-on80257899.0024cb30-80257899.00253...@uk.ibm.com, on 05/23/2011 at 07:46 AM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com said: I don't disagree, Mark, that this can be highly inconvenient. But it's high time that organisations got with the program(me) re modern

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Martin Packer
/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 22/05/2011 22:43 Subject: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com wrote: I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Martin Packer
/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 23/05/2011 13:12 Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu -Original

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Martin Packer So they like the idea of you going and getting a different job, John. :-) I've already given notice. :-) I'm planning to retire in May of 2014 (if I live that long). -jc-

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 23 May 2011 14:37:18 +1000, Shane wrote: Facebook ... professional - interesting juxtaposition Mark. I'm also not a customer (would love to have a play as I've said before) - this info would make more sense (IMHO) announced and linked (internally) off the homepage rather than hidden

Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC

2011-05-23 Thread Jeff Holst
Is this information also on your web site? Some of us have corporate policies against accessing social networking sites frmo our work computers. Jeff Holst -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 May 2011 07:46:41 +0100, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: I don't disagree, Mark, that this can be highly inconvenient. But it's high time that organisations got with the program(me) re modern communications technology. I guess THIS is one of the WORST audiences to peddle

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Mark Zelden
: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread David Cole
Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. Our use of Facebook is experimental at this stage... We are trying it for several reasons. First, because I (and a LOT of other people) do use Facebook socially, so I (and a LOT of

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 23 May 2011 10:03:09 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com wrote: By definition, it [Facebook] is primarily used for networking with friends, not professional contacts. You're posts are an exception. Ummm, I find that a very large number of both local and national businesses have

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Steve Comstock
On 5/23/2011 8:03 AM, David Cole wrote: Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. Our use of Facebook is experimental at this stage... We are trying it for several reasons. First, because I (and a LOT of other people) do use

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
After all, if half a billion people are on Facebook, then by definition(!), that's where your customers are... What good is it if customer management block the site? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) Why are vendors

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread J R
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 10:03:09 -0400 From: dbc...@colesoft.com Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu snippage I prefer Facebook over LinkedIn simply because I don't use LinkedIn, don't know how to use LinkedIn

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip-- I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. At least not in any obvious place. Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. It's fine for

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread David Cole
At 5/23/2011 03:44 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: I'd also be concerned about too many wanna be's cluttering a professional's mailbox with inappropriate and/or senseless replies to legitimate technical questions. (a) Could happen. (b) Might not. Personally, I doubt it will be a problem. But if I

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Ed Finnell
_http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/_ (http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/) In a message dated 5/23/2011 4:47:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dbc...@colesoft.com writes: But if I choose a, I certainly will learn less than if I choose b.

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread David Cole
Thanks for the smile, Ed. vbg Dave At 5/23/2011 05:49 PM, Ed Finnell wrote: _http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/_ (http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/) In a message dated 5/23/2011 4:47:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dbc...@colesoft.com writes: But if I choose a, I certainly will learn less

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread David Cole
FWIW, I just checked and the number of opt-ins (likes in Facebook parlance) is up a bit over 20% since my post. So there's some opinion out there that's not been expressed in this thread. Just saying... But the total is still a substantial minority of our customer base, so all you Eff-book

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Doug
On 5/23/2011 18:13, David Cole wrote: FWIW, I just checked and the number of opt-ins (likes in Facebook parlance) is up a bit over 20% since my post. So there's some opinion out there that's not been expressed in this thread. Just saying... But the total is still a substantial minority of our

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 18:13:19 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) FWIW, I just checked and the number of opt-ins (likes in Facebook

Recent maintenance for z/XDC

2011-05-22 Thread David Cole
I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching for ColeSoft. Thank You, Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow Road

Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-22 Thread Mark Zelden
On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com wrote: I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching for ColeSoft. Thank You, Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com

Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)

2011-05-22 Thread Shane
Facebook ... professional - interesting juxtaposition Mark. I'm also not a customer (would love to have a play as I've said before) - this info would make more sense (IMHO) announced and linked (internally) off the homepage rather than hidden unannounced in a txt file for the applicable release