On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 00:53:47 +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote:
I don't have any kind of problem with mainframes or the way they are. I
accept the fact they are different from what I am used to, and at the same
time I am interested. It's
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:31:31 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
That idea founders on the economics of support. ... I
suspect a single service call to IBM costs, in the aggregate, more
than an entire desktop system.
Have you priced a support call with
On 2/6/2012 10:40 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:31:31 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
That idea founders on the economics of support. ... I
suspect a single service call to IBM costs, in the aggregate, more
than an entire desktop
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 10:57:40 -0700, Steve Comstock wrote:
On 2/6/2012 10:40 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:31:31 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
That idea founders on the economics of support. ... I
suspect a single service call to
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote:
On 2/6/2012 10:40 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:31:31 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
That idea founders on the economics of support. ... I
suspect
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:41 AM
No; my point is that most personal Windows customers can endure
the entire life of the product without making such a call; most z/OS
customers can't.
Most Windows customers can endure booting
Tony,
It ain't cheap
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On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote:
On 4 February 2012 12:03, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 00:53:47 +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote:
I
That's your opinion, nowadays, yes, ten or more years ago, no
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On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:31:31 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote:
On 4 February 2012
Yep, that I agree with, I am an old dinosaur, but fine the experience we all
have is pretty much contained to us older creatures, kids don't want to know
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On Feb 6, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:25:09 -0500, Scott Ford wrote:
That's your opinion, nowadays, yes, ten or more years ago, no
On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
No; my point is that most personal Windows customers can endure
the entire life of the product without making such a call;
Gil,
No worries, My fault, guess I am old school. I make calls no matter what the
posts, I am just that kinda of guy who wants to know how things work.
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On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
Paul Gilmartin writes:
Exactly; I mean per installation. The putative personal z/OS
makes each customer a systems programmer. You can run
a Linux/OS X/Windows system without a systems programmer;
not likely z/OS. (But note that when IBM makes steps in that
direction, many contributors to this
On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 00:53:47 +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote:
I don't have any kind of problem with mainframes or the way they are. I
accept the fact they are different from what I am used to, and at the same
time I am interested. It's just I don't want to put all my time in them.
With some amount of
Umph. Not quite sure why, but this inpired in me an idea. Since
cubicles are used in lots of offices. Almost all of them have a
computer work station. Installing a computer is tricky.
Under the cubicle desktop, a slot for 1 desktop computer or the
equvalent thickness of blade servers. On
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From: Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Thu, February 2, 2012 4:45:30 PM
Subject: Re: gcc on z/OS (was: CPP (C++) file on z/OS)
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012, McKown, John wrote:
FWIW, gcc stands for GNU Compiler Collection. It is owned
(copyrighted) by the Free
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 05:31:12 -0800, Lloyd Fuller wrote:
There is an older version of GCC that is ported to z/OS on the CBT. As far as
I
am concerned one of the advantages of GCC is that it is NOT LE so you can use
it
in places that you cannot use normal z/OS C. And it has a larger library than
what I need them to do.
Lloyd
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From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Fri, February 3, 2012 10:23:29 AM
Subject: Re: gcc on z/OS (was: CPP (C++) file on z/OS)
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 05:31:12 -0800, Lloyd Fuller wrote:
There is an older
In pine.lnx.4.64.1202022034530.30...@tau.ceti.pl, on 02/02/2012
at 10:45 PM, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl said:
Every time I learn something about MVS or z, I don't do
something else.
I didn't mean that learning about MVS was a lot of work, but rather
that enhancing a large program like
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In pine.lnx.4.64.1202022034530.30...@tau.ceti.pl, on 02/02/2012
at 10:45 PM, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl said:
Every time I learn something about MVS or z, I don't do
something else.
I didn't mean that learning about MVS was a
Of
Tomasz Rola
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 2:59 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: gcc on z/OS (was: CPP (C++) file on z/OS)
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In pine.lnx.4.64.1202022034530.30...@tau.ceti.pl, on 02/02/2012
at 10:45 PM, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl said
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Sevetson, Phil wrote:
Tomasz, I hear where you're coming from with time is fixed, but
in-my-opinion it acts more like an expense stream, and a sunk cost. No
matter what you're doing with it, it's going by.
Ehem :-). I am not sure if I read you well. I guess this is a
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012, McKown, John wrote:
FWIW, gcc stands for GNU Compiler Collection. It is owned
(copyrighted) by the Free Software Foundation. It is licensed under the
GPL and the source code is freely available. There is a port for the z
series, but hosted on z/Linux, not z/OS and
On Thu, 2 Feb 2012, Tomasz Rola wrote:
Yeah, I started to wonder myself, so I downloaded source of gcc-4.6.2,
unpacked and started to poke around, semi randomly. So far, I can be sure
only about the size of unpacked source, it is above 600 megabytes. I tried
Um, nope. I wrote it too fast.
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