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Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:00 PM
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Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
>Now you are saying that the maximum could apply to any invocation of
TSO
services be it online interactive or
>Now you are saying that the maximum could apply to any invocation of TSO
services be it online interactive or batch??
That doesn't make much sense to me.
I have never seen it documented that way.
-teD
Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof!
ber of the technical people.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:35 AM
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Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
What's a "TSO user&qu
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Behalf Of Walter Marguccio
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:38 AM
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Hal,
does a basic sysplex (which is the minimum requirement for a MAS) allow
you to run a job on a specific LPAR d
--- "John S. Giltner, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> SYSAFF card in the JCL with system id of the system you want > to
run it on. At least with JES2 this works.
John,
thanks, you're right. Seems like SCHENV on the jobcard, or even
centrally in the JES2 JOBCLASS(x) statement can do the trick.
Walter Marguccio wrote:
--- Hal Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We run a capped z/os LPAR in the MAS. Works great. Simple, not > that
expensive. There is a tiny loss of functionality (active > job output
and the SYSLOG is a little behind) but everything
else seems to be there.
Hal,
--- Hal Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We run a capped z/os LPAR in the MAS. Works great. Simple, not > that
expensive. There is a tiny loss of functionality (active > job output
and the SYSLOG is a little behind) but everything
> else seems to be there.
Hal,
does a basic sysplex (which is
--- Tom Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a limit of 8 TSO users per image. If you ran three
> logical partitions of z/OS.e then you would have a total of 24 >
users.
Tom,
you are right, don't know why I didn't consider this yet.
We are running right know with three z/OS 1.4 Monople
] On Behalf
Of Ted MacNEIL
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:00 PM
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Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
Why must we jump through these hoops?
I understand there are T&C's required for these 'discounts', but they seem
arbitrary.
If I have
> You won't know unless you try.
That's probably the most valuable input in the thread.
As I've said before (and may yet say again) IBM simply cannot cut software
charges across the
board.
The net margin hit would be intolerable.
So there have been (and will be more) contrived schemes to try a
e sense.
We do not want to cheat IBM; we just want flexibility.
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From: Tom Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:40:01
To:IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
>From:"R.S." <[EMAIL PRO
>From:"R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
There is a limit of 8 TSO users per image. If you ran three logical
partitions of z/OS.e then you would have a total of 24 users.
Tom Russell
"Stay calm. Be brave. Wai
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 01/13/2006
at 09:46 AM, "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Now this might be "interesting" to play around with for an uber geek.
>Have a REXX exec running under a z/OS UNIX shell via telnet (not the
>TSO OMVS command). The z/OS UNIX shell was invoked via a
>"sp
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/13/2006
at 08:50 AM, Walter Marguccio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>We are going to move to z/OS.e soon and we are also evaluating how to
>solve the limited number of TSO users. However, at our shop most of
>the jobs submitted are first tailored using simple ISPF app
In
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 01/13/2006
at 07:27 AM, Peter Relson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I am surprised to see this in a public forum
That depends on what "this" is.
>because my recollection is that if you do get "round the limit" it
>would violate the terms and conditions under which z/OS
On Jan 13, 2006, at 8:48 AM, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote:
"R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
Peter Relson wrote:
Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
running under z/OS.e.
I am surprised to see this in a public forum becaus
, 2006 6:27 am
Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
> >Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
> >running under z/OS.e.
>
> I am surprised to see this in a public forum because my
> recollection is
> that if you do get "round the
You won't know unless you try.
Charles
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Tom Schmidt
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:45 AM
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Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
I've always se
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:15:52 -0500, Arthur T. wrote:
>>>Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO
>>>users when running under z/OS.e.
>>
>>I am surprised to see this in a public forum because my
>>recollection is that if you do get "round the limit" it would violate
>>the terms and co
On 13 Jan 2006 04:28:04 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
(Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Relson) wrote:
Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO
users when
running under z/OS.e.
I am surprised to see this in a public forum because my
recollection is
t
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Greg Shirey
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:51 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
>
> It's on
> Now this might be "interesting" to play around with for an uber geek.
> Have a REXX exec running under a z/OS UNIX shell via telnet (not the
TSO
> OMVS command). The z/OS UNIX shell was invoked via a "specialized"
> telnet client written especially for the following functionality. The
> REXX exec
It's on CSI's website:
http://www.e-vse.com/csi/csi-products/BIM-EDIT/BIM-EDIT.htm
I don't understand the relationship between CSI & Fantom...
Greg Shirey
Ben E. Keith Company
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Gilbert Saint-Flour
John Cousins wrote:
> BIM/EDIT/MVS - is it still available? - from CSI/BIM
One of my customers installed BIM/EDIT/MVS on z/OS less than a year ago.
I believe they licensed it from Fantom Systems, although I don't see it
on their Web site at http://www.fantomsystems.com/
Regarding Peter Relson'
>Peter's suggestion to license "regular" z/OS
is appropriate
It's a pretty hefty price-tag just to get more
TSO concurrency!
-teD
Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof!
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:35 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
>
>
> In a rec
In a recent note, Peter Relson said:
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:27:48 -0500
>
> >Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
> >running under z/OS.e.
>
> I am surprised to see this in a public forum because my recollection is
> that if you do get "round the limit"
.
HTH and good luck.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Walter Marguccio
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 2:51 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
We are going to move to z/OS.e soon and
Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote:
"R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
Peter Relson wrote:
Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
running under z/OS.e.
I am surprised to see this in a public forum because my recollection is
that if
"R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Peter Relson wrote:
>
> >>Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
> >>running under z/OS.e.
> >
> >
> > I am surprised to see this in a public forum because my recollection is
> > that if you do g
--- John Cousins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Many thanks for your responses, looks like we have quite a few
> options:
>
> NIM-ISPF - available soon from CCA Software
> ISPFftp - Beta version
> System Explorer for z/OS and Mainview - both from BMC
> Com-plete !? - from SAG
> E/JES & E/JES-Works
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S.
>
> Peter Relson wrote:
>
> >>Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
> >>running under z/OS.e.
> >
> > I am surprised to see this in a public forum because my recollection
> > is tha
Peter Relson wrote:
Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
running under z/OS.e.
I am surprised to see this in a public forum because my recollection is
that if you do get "round the limit" it would violate the terms and
conditions under which z/OS.e is being used.
13, 2006 6:28 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
>Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
>running under z/OS.e.
I am surprised to see this in a public forum because my recollection is that
if you do get "round
>Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
>running under z/OS.e.
I am surprised to see this in a public forum because my recollection is
that if you do get "round the limit" it would violate the terms and
conditions under which z/OS.e is being used. The way "round the limi
Many thanks for your responses, looks like we have quite a few options:
NIM-ISPF - available soon from CCA Software
ISPFftp - Beta version
System Explorer for z/OS and Mainview - both from BMC
Com-plete !? - from SAG
E/JES & E/JES-Workstation & Condor - from Phoenix software
VTAM MUP - appliedso
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:51 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
>
> --- "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If all that you're doing is to edit and submit jobs, look at
>
--- "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If all that you're doing is to edit and submit jobs, look at
> SuperWylbur. Well, it does a few other things as well, but
> since you haven't said what you use TSO for, I won't try to
> guess which are relevant.
We are going to move to
In a recent note, Knutson, Sam said:
> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:57:56 -0500
>
> Move away from using TSO to submit jobs and monitor work using products
> like E(JES) or just native z/OS FTP. There seem to be a lot of people
> doing that out there.
>
> http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/EJES
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/11/2006
at 04:29 PM, John Cousins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
>running under z/OS.e.
If all that you're doing is to edit and submit jobs, look at
SuperWylbur. Well, it does a few other things as wel
John Cousins wrote:
Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when running under
z/OS.e. Such as give IBM a bit more money to get a few more users?
CA-Roscoe looks like a very pricey alternative.
yours hopefully
John
John Cousins
Senior IT Officer
Central Support Services
lf Of John Cousins
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:29 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e
Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
running under z/OS.e. Such as give IBM a bit more money to get a few
more users?
CA-Roscoe looks l
Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when running under
z/OS.e. Such as give IBM a bit more money to get a few more users?
CA-Roscoe looks like a very pricey alternative.
yours hopefully
John
John Cousins
Senior IT Officer
Central Support Services ICT Division
Bristol
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