Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
He was talking about TCA. [Ron Hawkins] He was talking about True Copy Asynch? I don't get the connection. Total cost of acquisition. Just because I'm using a non-company e-mail, maybe because they do not want Ms people to appear to be their spokespeople, does not invalidate my response.

EZASOKET returns zero for socket descriptor in SOCKET call.

2010-10-14 Thread N agesh S
Hi, For the SOCKET function in the EZASOKET call, I always get zero as the socket descriptor. This happens even when I am doing INITAPI before SOCKET. Although, the manual describes that SOCKET will implicitly make a INITAPI call. Where am I going wrong ? I am doing this in COBOL in batch

Re: JES2 Control Block

2010-10-14 Thread Anthony Thompson
I don't believe so. All the execution node does is look at the NOTIFY statement on the jobcard (if it is there) and sends a message back to the the origin node via JES2 services/RTAM, and the origin JES2 sends a notify to the userid via MVS SEND. The execution node tries to use the same job

Re: JES2 Control Block

2010-10-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Does Jes2 save this Job number( from the receiving lpar) somewhere at the sending lpar? Once a job is sent to another node, the transmitting JES2 cuts a SMF26 record, and 'forgets' everything about the transmitted job. There is nothing left. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor

Re: JES2 Control Block

2010-10-14 Thread vatsal raicha
Hi Anthony, I agree with you, but one more thing that made me feel that some where the new Job number might be saved some where as when the execution is complete and the output is received back at the node which sent the job, should be able to match the two jobs. If I see in sdsf, the job numbe

Re: JES2 Control Block

2010-10-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
If I see in sdsf, the job numbe on ST panel is different and the job number in the jesmsglg is diff, so Jes should be able to match these two or may be it does something else to ensure this. JES2 doesn't match anything. The job comes back from the node it was transmitted to, but the number will

Re: JES2 Control Block

2010-10-14 Thread Anthony Thompson
As Ted said. The NJE job headers only bother to record the job number assigned on the originating node as the job travels through the various nodes. Ant. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of vatsal raicha Sent: Thursday, 14

Re: Using ADDRESS SDSF in OPS/MVS

2010-10-14 Thread Sebastian Welton
For running Address SDSF under NetView I had to code the following: isfjesname = 'JES2' before the ISFCALLS(ON) mainly because NetView is started with SUB=MSTR and so doesn't run under JES2. Maybe the same for OPS/MVS? Sebastian

Control-D replacement?

2010-10-14 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Control-D bundling function uses indexing method to create report bundles which does not really creates new files. The products I looked into, uses a different technology that creates a phisical report file for each user. I wonder if there are other products that uses mainframe created files to

Re: JES2 Control Block

2010-10-14 Thread Ron Hawkins
Anthony, Back at a site where this was important we used to manage the job number problem by assigning ranges to each JES2. Jobs submitted in Melbourne got 0-1000 and 3000 to 3999, and jobs submitted in Sydney got 2000 to 2999. This meant that when a job was submitted in Melbourne and run in

FW: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Ron Hawkins
All, I know what it is, but I never really knew what it stood for. One reference I found, the only one, says it means The SHARE Committee for Imbibers, Drinkers and Sots. Is this correct? Ron -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Brian Westerman
Yes. Like one of the previous posters to this thread the company I work for used to offer a service of testing the site's defenses that we called a System Access Security Audit (SASA). This audit was completely unlike our normal System Audit which we still perform. The current System Audit

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Done that many times during security assessments at customers sites. for example, Look at your SYS1.UADS dataset and compare it to RACF. You probably will find users that are defined in your UADS dataset, but not in RACF. More then that, IBM's ships UADS dataset with few users that probably not

Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
I'd always heard Social Conversation in a Drunken Stupor. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread zMan
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz maryanne4...@gmail.com wrote: I'd always heard Social Conversation in a Drunken Stupor. And I'd heard SHARE Collection of Inebriates, Drunkards, and Sots. But I was also told that the true origin was losts in the mists of time. -- zMan -- I've

Re: How many CPACFs do I have on z10 EC model E12?

2010-10-14 Thread Jim Elliott, IBM
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:26:30 -0700, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote: Yes. CPACF is millicode, and is logically on the die with our old friends LA and MVC and ST (I'm actually guessing that it really IS mostly on the die, and the millicode just enables it, but I don't really know that).

Re: How many CPACFs do I have on z10 EC model E12?

2010-10-14 Thread Phil Smith
Jim Elliott wrote: The Central Processor Assist for Cryptographic Function (CPACF) is a coprocessor that uses the DES, TDES, AES-128, AES-256, SHA-1, and SHA-256 ciphers to perform symmetric key encryption and calculate message digests in hardware. DES, TDES, AES-128, and AES-256 are used for

Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Bob Shannon
And I'd heard SHARE Collection of Inebriates, Drunkards, and Sots That's the definition I'd heard, but I don't think anyone really knows what SCIDS stands for. Q: What does SHARE stand for? A: SHARE is not an acronym. It stood for sharing information. Bob Shannon Rocket Software

Re: Different versions of PTFs from IBM

2010-10-14 Thread John Eells
There should *never* be two versions of any PTF released outside IBM. If you really got two copies of a PTF that are not exactly the same, this is a problem you should report to the support center. Note that ++ASSIGN statements are not a part of PTFs, even though they are in the same file as

Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Tom Harper
Share Conference Informal Discussion Groups is the original name. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS. And

Re: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Shane
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 06:12:12 -0400 zMan wrote: And I'd heard SHARE Collection of Inebriates, Drunkards, and Sots. Well in that case, I certainly did my bit. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Kopischke [ snip ] As for the original question, I'll quote the OP: His question was why can't mvs use scsi or san dasd, VSE and VM can. That does not look like a price gouging claim to me. I believe he's

Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Ron Hawkins
That sounds quite reasonable. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Harper Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 4:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] FW: The meaning of SCIDS. Share Conference Informal

Re: Using ADDRESS SDSF in OPS/MVS

2010-10-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Using ADDRESS SDSF in OPS/MVS home='' home=environment('HOME') Not as a criticism;

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:11:33 -0500, Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Kopischke Google a price for this: SEAGATE ST3500320NS465.76 GiB CDW's website says: This product was discontinued as of Wednesday, July 21,

Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mary Anne Matyaz I'd always heard Social Conversation in a Drunken Stupor. SHARE Conference Independent Communication Session. :-) -jc- -- For

Re: EZASOKET returns zero for socket descriptor in SOCKET call.

2010-10-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of ?? ??? (Nagesh S) Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: EZASOKET returns zero for socket descriptor in SOCKET call. Hi, For the

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Lindy Mayfield
I didn't see anyone explicitly mention social engineering. IMO this may be an easier way to get a not-very-technical user's id, but then you are back to how to hack with a normal user TSO account. But if a system guy gave out a password for an reason then, well, you know. What about digging

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 06:17:04 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: And, then what did your comment mean, about my e-mail address? He didn't say anything about your email address. What he wrote, and what you quoted was, Based on your email do you think The question was in regards to the email

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd snip That's correct. It is not. For you to claim

Re: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread J R
SHARE Conference Independent Communication Session. :-) That would be SCICS! :-( Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:42:20 -0500 From: jch...@ussco.com Subject: Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS. To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I think that sig is meant in jest. Of course it is! If people are taking it seriously ... - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread zMan
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:13 AM, J R jayare...@hotmail.com wrote: SHARE Conference Independent Communication Session. :-) That would be SCICS!  :-( Yeah, but back then, there was hard liquor at SCIDS, so they spelled it wrong... -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
On 10/14/2010 3:17 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: I think that sig is meant in jest. Of course it is! If people are taking it seriously ... - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread David Andrews
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 18:38 -0400, Rick Fochtman wrote: I ALWAYS left the IBMUSER active on the system but the first thing I also did was to change to password to some very obscure value. A *very* long time ago, before a few ibm-mainers were born, there was an early public-access packet

Opcode tables

2010-10-14 Thread Abe F. Kornelis
All, (message cross-posted to other assembler-related lists) I have all but completed the updates of the opcode tables on hlasm.com There's a peculiarity I'd like to discuss here. Various instructions have been introduced over the last couple of years that are a kind of umbrella operation. They

Re: EZASOKET returns zero for socket descriptor in SOCKET call.

2010-10-14 Thread Charles Mills
I have seen the same problem. I ported some Windows socket code to z/OS. The Windows code treated a return of = 0 as an error. However, the documentation states that a return of less than zero indicates an error. Changing it to check for 0 was an easy fix, and the code remained portable back to

Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Pitsanuk, Tim
For the non-imbibers, I heard Share Conference Informal Discussion Sessions -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: FW: The meaning of

Re: Different versions of PTFs from IBM

2010-10-14 Thread Mike Schwab
I am wondering if the old one he has was a pre-release test version? On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:50 AM, John Eells ee...@us.ibm.com wrote: There should *never* be two versions of any PTF released outside IBM. If you really got two copies of a PTF that are not exactly the same, this is a problem

Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Schumacher, Otto
I always thought it was Society for the Consumption of Intoxicating Distilled Solutions Regards Otto Schumacher   HP Enterprise Services Infrastructure Specialist Ahold Account CICS Capacity Technical Support P.O. Box 6462 2000 Wade Hampton Blvd. LC1-302 Greenville,  South Carolina, 29606

Re: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Andrew Mathe
Social Contact and Informal Discussion Sessions From: J R jayare...@hotmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 10/14/2010 08:14 AM Subject: Re: The meaning of SCIDS. Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu SHARE Conference Independent Communication Session. :-) That

Connect to Grid via TCP/IP

2010-10-14 Thread Victor Gil
Good morning listers, We are researching a rather unusual approach to redirect our high-volume VSAM I/O to a Grid server that would act as a real-time cached image of the data. From the little I know, the server will be connected through TCP/IP and once a connection is established all the

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread David Cole
At 10/13/2010 10:26 AM, Greg Shirey wrote: I liked this article, and it's fairly recent. (Jan 2010) http://www.mainframezone.com/it-management/mainframe-hacking-fact-or-fiction/P1 Greg I read that article, and it is a good one. Interestingly (to me at least), on the article's third web

Re: Connect to Grid via TCP/IP

2010-10-14 Thread Hal Merritt
A gotcha is the actual network data throughput*. Very likely that it will be unacceptably slow. I would imagine you would have a lot of application programming to do as well as some expensive infrastructure to put in place. At the end of the day, a nice DS8xxx DASD unit would likely cost a

Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
maryanne4...@gmail.com (Mary Anne Matyaz) writes: I'd always heard Social Conversation in a Drunken Stupor. the definition I was told in the 60s was the Society for Continuous Inebreation During Share back in the days of open bar ... and one of the activities was seeing how many bottles could

Re: Connect to Grid via TCP/IP

2010-10-14 Thread McKown, John
Performance? I have no idea. Hope you have a 10GBe network infrastructure. A port can be in use for many concurrent sessions. Remember that only one session can be sending data at a time, per OSA. How many concurrent sessions? I'm fairly sure that the theoritical limit is 64K sockets. For z/OS

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Mike Schwab
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:11 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: When will

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd snip Notice: This email has been sent to a publicly

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Mike Schwab
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:46 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: deleted -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? I do have permission from my manager to post via my work account. But you have a very good point. I just got a

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Bill Fairchild
Is this hypothetical forest ranger rappelling up the skyscraper or being repelled up the skyscraper by the pressure of the human throngs down on the street? Probably both. Oh, well. It's almost Friday again. :-) Bill Fairchild Rocket Software -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Different versions of PTFs from IBM

2010-10-14 Thread John Eells
None such should ever escape IBM. Externally, it is allowed to have multiple ++APAR fixes, but one and only one ++PTF with a given PTF number. Although I can't assert it has never happened, I have personally never heard of two versions of a PTF ever being shipped to a customer. Mike Schwab

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd - 24/7 DASD on PCs

2010-10-14 Thread David Cole
At 10/8/2010 03:35 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: -unsnip- My 2 cents worth: the cheap DASD doesn't live up to the reliability standards that IBM demands for z/OS. Stop and think, really hard, about the demands on z/OS DASD storage,

Re: Different versions of PTFs from IBM

2010-10-14 Thread Doug Henry
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:50:58 -0400, John Eells ee...@us.ibm.com wrote: There should *never* be two versions of any PTF released outside IBM. Yannig Guiomard wrote: I have some questions about the manner that PTFs are distributed, which I hope someone can clear up for me! Take PTF UA54182,

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#62 When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#65 When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd post from similar thread in this n.g. from 2007 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#13 Question on DASD Hardware with

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Lindy Mayfield
What would constitute a root kit for MVS? Perhaps an SVC with some hidden functionality? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Mainframe

Using ADDRESS SDSF in OPS/MVS

2010-10-14 Thread Burge, Richard
I don't know why the home='' code. I didn't code that part. I also tried the Isfjesname = 'JES2' with the same RC=-3 results. This is all the code that I need to reproduce the error Calling it this way works tso exec (sdsf1) exec Executing OPS/REXX with !OI , gives RC(-3)

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Ray Overby
-Some code that is executing in an authorized state - Supervisor state - PSW key 0-7 - Ability to issue MODESET SVC (APF authorized) -This code would have one of the following flaws: - Store into requester provided storage address while in an authorized

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
d...@lists.duda.com (David Andrews) writes: You could stay up all night typing in random subscriber IDs to see what you would get. It didn't take long to discover that the first three digits of a subscriber ID was the telephone area code of the subscriber. That cut down on the search space

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Bill Fairchild
I would think it means code that front-ends one of the First Level Interrupt Handlers, rather like the one that CA was using in 1996 (are they still using it?) to front-end program interrupts so that various CA products could easily become authorized by merely executing a particular invalid

Re: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of J R SHARE Conference Independent Communication Session. :-) That would be SCICS! :-( Oops! Showing my subsystem bias. :-) C /Communication/Discussion/ -jc-

VTS NL Tapes

2010-10-14 Thread Mark Steely
We have several tapes that are not initialized and when the job executes it abends trying to use these tapes. I thought CA-1 was suppose to automatically init the tapes but that is not happening. I am trying to init the tapes using IEHINIT, the problem is these tapes are in a different library

Re: Using ADDRESS SDSF in OPS/MVS

2010-10-14 Thread Lizette Koehler
Richard, Have you opened a case with CA OPS/MVS? I find they are very helpful with these kinds of questions. Lizette -Original Message- From: Burge, Richard richard.bu...@aig.com Sent: Oct 14, 2010 11:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Using ADDRESS SDSF in OPS/MVS I don't know

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Lindy Mayfield
Some of this sounds like the magic svcs that I've seen people use for testing. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ray Overby Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Mainframe hacking?

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Ray Overby
The returning in an authorized state ones are exactly that. The others are typically the result of poor coding and/or design. On 10/14/2010 11:43 AM, Lindy Mayfield wrote: Some of this sounds like the magic svcs that I've seen people use for testing. -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Ricc Harding
Yes Ed, these sites all had RACF installed and yes, it still required the VTOC data set is RACF protected bit to be flipped for the data set protection call to even be made. The needed resource manager calls became more apparent as the resources which were being protected grew. The ACF2

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
... oh, and the software company (front for criminal organization) apparently was selected on the basis of being the low bidder. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread David Cole
At 10/14/2010 12:24 PM, Chris Craddock wrote: (as Bob knows) it is impossible to create/install a malicious FLIH or SVC or PC without already having the keys to the kingdom anyway. That is the foundation of integrity and the reason why the installation has to appropriately protect system

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Lindy Mayfield
The whole point, I think, is to get it by the system's guys. Not sure how to do that. So much easier on Windows. Still there are coming more and more freeware MVS utilities, like showmvs. (It can run authorized I think, yes?) I don't think that it is that carefully audited, somebody could

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
p...@voltage.com (Phil Smith) writes: Long ago and far away, a friend was looking at the VSE microfiche and found an undocumented SVC that stored the top half of a register value in the address contained in the bottom half of the register. He promptly wrote a program that used that SVC to gain

Re: VTS NL Tapes

2010-10-14 Thread Mark Steely
Thanks for the information - I forgot about the OLDTAPE option. I updated the unit to point to the other library and that job worked. Thanks again. -Original Message- From: Campbell Jay [mailto:james.l.campb...@irs.gov] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:16 AM To: Mark Steely

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Chris Craddock
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.comwrote: I would think it means code that front-ends one of the First Level Interrupt Handlers That's how Amdahl implemented SE and SP assist years ago. I think IBM did it to implement the IEEE floating point

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Phil Smith
Lindy Mayfield wrote: What would constitute a root kit for MVS?  Perhaps an SVC with some hidden functionality? Long ago and far away, a friend was looking at the VSE microfiche and found an undocumented SVC that stored the top half of a register value in the address contained in the bottom

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Bob Shannon
I would think it means code that front-ends one of the First Level Interrupt Handlers That's how Amdahl implemented SE and SP assist years ago. I think IBM did it to implement the IEEE floating point instructions so that they would work on processors that lacked the hardware. Of course these

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Dr. Stephen Fedtke
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Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Ray Overby
-The sad news is that integrity exposures exist today in every z/OS system. There is no need to install anything other than what you already have installed. -These integrity exposures have already gotten past the system's guys. - Current systems programmers (in general) do not have

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Clark Morris
On 14 Oct 2010 05:56:48 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I didn't see anyone explicitly mention social engineering. IMO this may be an easier way to get a not-very-technical user's id, but then you are back to how to hack with a normal user TSO account. But if a system guy gave out

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Ricc, Yes, APF authorization still allows the keys to the kingdom. That is why installations are expected to severely limit update access to APF authorized load libraries, the SETPROG MVS command, all datasets in the PARMLIB concatenation and all libraries defined as system level PROCLIBS. If

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Mainframe hacking? The whole point, I think, is to get it by the system's guys. Not

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Clark Morris
On 14 Oct 2010 07:24:01 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: At 10/13/2010 10:26 AM, Greg Shirey wrote: I liked this article, and it's fairly recent. (Jan 2010) http://www.mainframezone.com/it-management/mainframe-hacking-fact-or-fiction/P1 Greg I read that article, and it is a good

STIMER(M) EXIT= question

2010-10-14 Thread Paul Schuster
Hello: Suppose you code something like this: STIMER(M) SET BINTVL=1 second, EXIT=exitaddress,WAIT=NO So the application program continues to run, and then 1 second later the timer interrupt happens. The ASM MACROS documentation says the exitaddress routine will get control at some point after

Re: STIMER(M) EXIT= question

2010-10-14 Thread Tom Harper
Paul, Here is the answer: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A8B0/22.1.5?SHELF=iea2bkb0DT=20100629141054 Basically, it states that if the TCB is waiting, it is given control immediately. Otherwise, any interrupt, such as a page fault, may allow it to begin

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:21:16 -0700, Ron Hawkins wrote: I really struggle with the fact that you think that the cost of goods for a disk drive assembly includes the disk drive and nothing else. Would you argue with David Bowie or Amazon about the price you pay for a CD that you can buy at Fry's

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:11:33 -0500, Chase, John wrote: SEAGATE ST3500320NS465.76 GiB CDW's website says: This product was discontinued as of Wednesday, July 21, 2010. Call for availability. Their price: $95.99. Now what are we going to do ?!?!?!?!?! ;)

Why some programs are authorized Was: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Lindy Mayfield
This has been a curiosity of mine of late. Why are on some systems, for example DELETE and LISTCAT authorized in IKJTSOxx? And some systems they aren't? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Thursday,

New Z10 install [was Re: ... cheap dasd]

2010-10-14 Thread Greg Smith
We are planning to install new z10s into two data centers that do not currently have mainframes. I'm not sure if we are planning to have standalone tape drives (we will have vtls). What is the process to install z/os 1.12 in this scenario? I was hoping we could load some kind of starter system

Re: Why some programs are authorized Was: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Walt Farrell
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:43:31 +0200, Lindy Mayfield lindy.mayfi...@ssf.sas.com wrote: This has been a curiosity of mine of late. Why are on some systems, for example DELETE and LISTCAT authorized in IKJTSOxx? And some systems they aren't? I don't know the answer to LISTCAT. For DELETE, some

Re: Why some programs are authorized Was: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Rob Scott
I thought that IEBCOPY being authorized was due to a (possible archaic) facility to invoke certain I/O appendage routines. IDCAMS and its subcommands must be able to invoke auth services to satisfy certain invocations - no surprise to find it in AUTHPGM. Rob Scott Lead Developer Rocket

Re: New Z10 install [was Re: ... cheap dasd]

2010-10-14 Thread Hal Merritt
Your business partner and/or IBM would be my first choice for a start up plan. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Smith Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: New Z10 install

Re: Mainframe hacking?

2010-10-14 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield The whole point, I think, is to get it by the system's guys. Not sure how to do that. So much easier on Windows. Still there are coming more and more freeware MVS utilities, like showmvs. (It can

Re: FW: The meaning of SCIDS.

2010-10-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:58:08 +, Bob Shannon wrote: And I'd heard SHARE Collection of Inebriates, Drunkards, and Sots That's the definition I'd heard, but I don't think anyone really knows what SCIDS stands for. Q: What does SHARE stand for? A: SHARE is not an acronym. It stood for sharing

Re: STIMER(M) EXIT= question

2010-10-14 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:04:53 -0500 Paul Schuster pgs4ibmm...@pacbell.net wrote: :Suppose you code something like this: :STIMER(M) SET BINTVL=1 second, EXIT=exitaddress,WAIT=NO :So the application program continues to run, and then 1 second later the :timer interrupt happens. The ASM MACROS

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Pratt Parrish
Bus-Tech has a zDASD product as you have described. I am not aware that StorageTek has such a product. Based on my web searches and searching the Oracle (STK) website, I found no listing for zDASD by StorageTek. Pratt Parrish | WW Manager of Channel Development and Marketing | Bus-Tech, Inc.

Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd

2010-10-14 Thread Mike Schwab
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Pommier, Rex R. rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com wrote: XIV supporting z/OS roadmap?  Can you point me at something official that says this?  I would like to look at the XIV but I was told by our VAR that XIV supporting FICON and (emulated) CKD isn't in the works.

Re: New Z10 install [was Re: ... cheap dasd]

2010-10-14 Thread John Eells
We have, as I alluded to yesterday, a workaround until the Customized Offerings Driver is orderable on DVD next year. You can have your IBM representative or business partner send me a note and I can get them in touch with the right people. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

PAGE FIX

2010-10-14 Thread Larry Crilley
I seem to recall, but old age is having its way with me today. Isn't there a way to dynamically determine if a page is fixed?? Any jarring of the memory is greatly appreciated. Larry Crilley Dino-Software Corporation 800.480.DINO 412.366.3566

Re: New Z10 install [was Re: ... cheap dasd]

2010-10-14 Thread Steve Comstock
On 10/14/2010 12:57 PM, Greg Smith wrote: We are planning to install new z10s into two data centers that do not currently have mainframes. I'm not sure if we are planning to have standalone tape drives (we will have vtls). What is the process to install z/os 1.12 in this scenario? I was hoping

EREP dump readout for MCIC

2010-10-14 Thread Carlos Bodra - Pessoal
Hi listners. I was checking erep output to try to discover more about MCIC (Machine Check Interruption Code) and found following register, but I checked 02 Erep manuals, (User´s Guide Manual and Reference Manual), but can´t found any description how to readout these little dump. We are

Re: PAGE FIX

2010-10-14 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:37:37 -0400 Larry Crilley larry.cril...@dino-software.com wrote: :I seem to recall, but old age is having its way with me today. :Isn't there a way to dynamically determine if a page is fixed?? It is a wrong question, because if your process did not FIX it the process

Re: PAGE FIX

2010-10-14 Thread Larry Crilley
Sure. I just want to determine if a page is fixed. I'm not saying I want to free/unfix it. I just want to know... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 4:56 PM To:

Re: PAGE FIX

2010-10-14 Thread David Kreiss
Try a PGSER OUT against the page. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Larry Crilley Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: PAGE FIX Sure. I just want to determine if a page is fixed.

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