Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-12 Thread Al Sherkow
Hi Timothy I haven't heard of that either. I was thinking of vendors that license for less than full capacity for a specific number of MSUS or MIPS. Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Consulting Expertise on Capacity Planning, Performance Tuning, WLC, LPARs, IRD and LCS Software

Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-11 Thread Walter Medenbach
Defined capacity capping uses a rolling 4 hour average. Usage before the cap kicks in can therefore exceed some license agreements. We have successfully use a dummy coupling facility soaker LPAR. The ICF must have dynamic dispatch set to OFF to ensure that it goes into a cpu loop. The amount of

Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-11 Thread Martin Packer
Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 11/03/2011 06:07 Subject: Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Wouldn't a defined capacity setting (a.k.a. softcap), group and/or individually, be a lot less complicated

Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-11 Thread Rob Schramm
@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS Defined capacity capping uses a rolling 4 hour average. Usage before the cap kicks in can therefore exceed some license agreements. We have successfully use a dummy coupling facility soaker LPAR. The ICF must have dynamic dispatch set to OFF

Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-11 Thread McKown, John
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bond, Dick (DIS) Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 4:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS Does anyone use the concept of a dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS to avoid software costs? Suggest other

Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-11 Thread Chase, John
Capping works fine for us -jc- -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Field, Alan C. Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS Dick, We've

Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-11 Thread McKown, John
Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 7:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS We use Group Capacity to group our two LPARs together in a single capacity group. We then tell PR/SM how many MSUs these two LPARs together may use. PR/SM works with WLM

Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-11 Thread Al Sherkow
Timothy -- Yes, Defined Capacity and Group Capacity Limits can do this, but not *all* vendors. For many vendors, but not for all. Hence some sites are using these other techniques. Al Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Consulting Expertise on Capacity Planning, Performance Tuning,

Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-11 Thread Al Sherkow
LPAR Group Capacity Limits came with z/OS 1.8, so that should be available to most sites. Requires z hardware. What some customers have not understood is you are allowed to have multiple LPAR Groups on a single machine and they are able to work across sysplex boundaries. So some sites use one

Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
I haven't heard of vendors that both have sub-capacity licensing and then proceed to define sub-capacity differently than the four hour rolling average. But I suppose anything is possible. (A 3.28 hour rolling average?) I'm still not sure what the use case is for a dummy LPAR, though, at least

Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-10 Thread Bond, Dick (DIS)
Does anyone use the concept of a dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS to avoid software costs? Suggest other methods of storing unused capacity? Thanks. Dick Bond Department of Information Services CSD Production Support di...@dis.wa.gov

Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-10 Thread Field, Alan C.
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bond, Dick (DIS) Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 16:58 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS Does anyone use the concept of a dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS to avoid software costs? Suggest other methods

Re: Dummy LPAR to store excess MIPS

2011-03-10 Thread Timothy Sipples
Wouldn't a defined capacity setting (a.k.a. softcap), group and/or individually, be a lot less complicated and work at least as well? - - - - - Timothy Sipples Resident Enterprise Architect Value Creation Complex Deals Team IBM Growth Markets (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: