Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-13 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
Keep in mind the placement on the volume was all about arm movement. On a physical 3390 that meant something. As platters got wider, the arm with the read/write heads had farther to travel from one end to the other. In a DASD array where your 33xx volume is virtualized across a bunch of 3.5

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-13 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:02:00 -0500, Kenneth E Tomiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you really had time to monitor which datasets on a volume were accessed the most often then you were overstaffed. Any shop I worked in had more work to do than time to get it done in. At my first sysprog job, we

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:23:49 -0400, Bob Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't justify a mod-27 since about 60% of it would be empty - multiplied by all our sysres sets: 2 for maintenance (one for each company), 6 for one company environment, 3 or 4 sets for 3 other environments and a few more

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-12 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Eells Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations SNIP Oddly enough I'd looked already. I wrote the SMS

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-12 Thread John Eells
Thompson, Steve wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Eells Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations SNIP Oddly enough I'd looked already

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread John Eells
George Dranes wrote: We just recently installed z/OS 1.8 using ServerPac. We then applied all of the latest RSU maintenance. I noticed many of the SYS1 datasets on our SYSRES apparently were allocated too small by ServerPac jobs. I know some may just need compressed but others such as

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Ed Gould
On Sep 10, 2007, at 5:49 PM, George Dranes wrote: We just recently installed z/OS 1.8 using ServerPac. We then applied all of the latest RSU maintenance. I noticed many of the SYS1 datasets on our SYSRES apparently were allocated too small by ServerPac jobs. I know some may just need

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:49:56 -0500, George Dranes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just recently installed z/OS 1.8 using ServerPac. We then applied all of the latest RSU maintenance. I noticed many of the SYS1 datasets on our SYSRES apparently were allocated too small by ServerPac jobs. I know

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Ken Porowski
There is a way in the ServerPac dialogs to globally alter the space allocations. I usually add 25-50% to the allocations. After my initial load of the datasets I compress all then reallocate as needed to minimum 50% free in a single extent. This is probably not needed but I like all my system

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Dranes Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations We just recently installed z/OS 1.8 using ServerPac. We

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread John Eells
(Re-post to the list. For NNTP users, sorry for the duplicate.) Thompson, Steve wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Dranes Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: ServerPac Installs

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Eells Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations SNIP The data set space allocations are not the result

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread George D Dranes
-0600) America/Chicago Subject: Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations There is a way in the ServerPac dialogs to globally alter the space allocations.  I usually add 25-50% to the allocations.  After my initial load of the datasets I compress all then reallocate as needed to minimum 50

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread John Eells
Thompson, Steve wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Eells Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations SNIP The data set space allocations

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Mark, Do you really get your whole Sysres on one 3390-3? I had to go to 2 volumes back at OS/390 2.8, and maybe even 2.5. I know I usually spent a lot of time going over allocations and making sure there was enough space for most maintenance to go on without putting any datasets in multiple

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Eells Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations SNIP Without the APAR numbers, it's a bit hard to say

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
9:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations I'm assuming if I go the re-allocate and copy direction I can use IEBCOPY with the COPY parm (don't really want to use COPYMOD since it will re-link everything) for PDSs and COPYGRP for the PDSEs

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I put the heavily hit loadlibs such as SYS1.LINKLIB on one side of the VTOC, and the ISPF libraries on the other side of the VTOC. With todays heavily cached dasd, that probably will buy you very little anymore. Very little. Especially, since it's been over 15 years since IBM stopped

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Ted MacNEIL wrote: I put the heavily hit loadlibs such as SYS1.LINKLIB on one side of the VTOC, and the ISPF libraries on the other side of the VTOC. With todays heavily cached dasd, that probably will buy you very little anymore. Very little. Especially, since it's been over 15 years since

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:36:18 -0500, Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, Do you really get your whole Sysres on one 3390-3? I No. Not sure what I was thinking. I probably was thinking one 3390-9. But the balance between too big and too small has to do with how many volumes are

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Robert Justice
we were using two mod 9's, and finally went to mod 27 for the sysres at z/OS 1.8 - Original Message - From: Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I know that when I worked at PH Mining, I wanted 6 or 8 mod 9s for my IPL packs and Dlib packs for prod and test and new developement. In 1999, when we had EMC dasd, my boss said no because a potential hot site might not give us any mod 9s. Then, several years later when we got new Hitachi

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:59:44 -0400, Robert Justice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we were using two mod 9's, and finally went to mod 27 for the sysres at z/OS 1.8 I recently spilled to a 2nd mod-9 under 1.6 due to XML toolkit, so all HFS/zFS is on its own mod-9 now. z/OS 1.8 grew a little bit more

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread Bob Shannon
I can't justify a mod-27 since about 60% of it would be empty - multiplied by all our sysres sets: 2 for maintenance (one for each company), 6 for one company environment, 3 or 4 sets for 3 other environments and a few more sets for sandbox environments. So at least 20 or so mod-27s in all

Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-11 Thread John Eells
Thompson, Steve wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Eells Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations SNIP Without the APAR numbers, it's

ServerPac Installs and dataset allocations

2007-09-10 Thread George Dranes
We just recently installed z/OS 1.8 using ServerPac. We then applied all of the latest RSU maintenance. I noticed many of the SYS1 datasets on our SYSRES apparently were allocated too small by ServerPac jobs. I know some may just need compressed but others such as SYS1.SHASLNKE which is a