Re: z/PDT

I have completed all of the paperwork and paid my money. The last I heard, the log4j business was indeed soaking up all of the bandwidth they had to devote to such things, but they expected to have something to send out by mid-February, and everything taken care of and ready to go by mid-March.

Re: z/PDT

On 3/22/22 10:37 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. I heard from someone that they had completed the paperwork and were waiting on the approval as of early this year. From what

z/PDT

Has anyone heard any news about the lower cost z/PDT lately? I was on the list, but everything seems to have been dropped. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

On Tue, 2022-03-22 at 14:32 +, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: > +1 for MetalC. Puts it all under your control. Why Metal/C? Metal/C is great for what it's designed for, which is systems level programming such as supervisor state, AR mode stuff etc. But it only has a tiny runtime library. If

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

On Tue, 2022-03-22 at 11:34 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > We'll have to agree to disagree on whether restricted backtracking is > desirable. IMHO it greatly restricts the expressive power and utility of the > language. I suggest reading the original paper submitted to the ACM by Professor

Re: PL/I question

Shmuel wrote: > There was mention of a possible need for two versions, and I was just pointing out that you can have a single source file that generates two different versions of the object code. Oh. There might be a need for two versions of the *include* file; not sure whether that can be

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 18:31, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > While much of PL/s should be highly portable, GENERATE is very much > architecture dependent. Sure. But GENERATE is no less portable than C's __asm(...) . You don't have to use either. Tony H.

Re: PL/I question

Bob Bridges wrote: > PL/1 was my first language. Only it's "PL/I". "Programming Language/One", but "PL/I". Just sayin'. It actually might have been PL/C on that Xerox 530. S long ago. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: PL/I question

PL/1 was my first language. I was majoring in Accounting, and my best friend from high school knew something about programming and tried to describe it. He must have botched the description because it sounded boring to me. Probably it was boring to Terry, is why. But I figured an accountant

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

C was driven by: The limitations of the PDP-7 The availability of a free compiler. Making BSL and PL.S available as program products wouldn't have affected those factors. Also, while C is less portable than PL/I, it is more portable than GENERATE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: PL/I question

There was mention of a possible need for two versions, and I was just pointing out that you can have a single source file that generates two different versions of the object code. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

Just seeing if you were aweake. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Some of the IBM internal use BSL documents were dated 1967. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

Wow! 1867. Who knew. Was there a version for the Dial Time Recorder Clock? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 3:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: looking

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

Actually, ArcaOS from Arca Noae is most current. Some of the open source components are maintained by, e.g., BitWise Works, Netlabs. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

Arca Noae has a support contract with IBM but AFAIK doesn't have access to the kernel source. They have replaced a lot of the low level code with their own versions. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

While much of PL/s should be highly portable, GENERATE is very much architecture dependent. PL.S, in the guise of BSL, goes back at least to the development of TSO and at least back to 1867. Some of the relevant manuals are ZZ, meaning IBM confidential, but some are GC, meaning publicly

Re: JES2 Purge Processing [EXTERNAL]

Mark, I guess I would ask if you saw any $HASP263 messages on the other lpars? Seeing message $HASP263 would indicate issues with the checkpoint processing. That could hold up things on the other members in the MAS. From the JES2 message manual for z/OS 2.4. $HASP263 Explanation WAITING FOR

IBM vs. LzLabs

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JES2 Purge Processing

Yesterday we had a job with a huge amount of output take about 48 minutes to complete purge processing. While it was being purged everything else on that system that required JES2 services, basically spool space, wasn't able to do so and was waiting for the purge to complete. This is a 3 system

Re: Word formattnig

Um. Pretty sure that was a joke, son. On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:47 PM Robin Vowels wrote: > On 2022-03-22 11:42, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:06:05 +1100, Robin Vowels wrote: > > > >> Notepad has a problem with large files. > >> It loads only the first part of a large file.

Re: PL/I question

Bob Bridges wrote: >Wait, it's "sexist" to distinguish between the beauty of female Arts students and of female computer-science students? They're both female, so that can't be sexist. >(Belatedly) Oh, you mean "...had no idea what they were doing with computers". But we don't know whether

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

We discussed this on a thread here six months (?) ago. IBM made PL/X (PL/S?) available to ISVs back in the eighties or nineties. I have forgotten the terms. I made the decision not to make a business commitment to an unsupported product. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 11:07, Jay Maynard wrote: > > I never understood why IBM kept PL/S such a deep dark secret. [See below.] > Regardless, PL/S is intimately tied to the 370 and subsequent > architectures, and C is not. I'm not sure how intimately. There were dialects of PL/S for the 8100

AW: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

There seems to be a newer offering for OS/2 https://www.arcanoae.com/ -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Im Auftrag von Paul Gilmartin Gesendet: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 18:06 An: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host

Re: PL/I question

Wait, it's "sexist" to distinguish between the beauty of female Arts students and of female computer-science students? They're both female, so that can't be sexist. (Belatedly) Oh, you mean "...had no idea what they were doing with computers". But we don't know whether that's sexist until we

AW: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

https://www.ecomstation.com/ is the current OS/2 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Im Auftrag von Paul Gilmartin Gesendet: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 18:06 An: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command On Tue, 22 Mar

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:06:34 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote: >I never understood why IBM kept PL/S such a deep dark secret. > Fear of RCA? >Regardless, PL/S is intimately tied to the 370 and subsequent >architectures, and C is not. C also came out much earlier than PL/S, >starting in about 1970. > A

Re: PL/I question

Shmuel wrote: > When I need the ability to compile two different versions of something, I use compile time logic. The macro languages for both PL/I and HLASM are sophisticated enough to do fancy tailoring. Thanks, but what does this have to do with the question? There's ONE version, which can

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

Yes! Good grief. C happened utterly independently of mainframes. Mainframes after all had PL/I ... and C happened anyway. Intel had a language called PL/M -- I used it, basically an extreme PL/I subset -- and C happened anyway. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

R: zEDC compression on z14 and z15 by using ADRDSSU

Hi Chuck, PRDB 2022081 16:09:11.83-D IQP PRDB 2022081 16:09:11.83 IQP066I 16.09.11 DISPLAY IQP 681 zEDC Information

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

I never understood why IBM kept PL/S such a deep dark secret. Regardless, PL/S is intimately tied to the 370 and subsequent architectures, and C is not. C also came out much earlier than PL/S, starting in about 1970. On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 9:59 AM Paul Gilmartin <

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 14:32:35 +, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: >+1 for MetalC. Puts it all under your control. > I don't know the chronology, but I wonder whether if IBM had made PL/S a product early enough, C would never have happened. >+10 for SAMPLIB members in MetalC, not that any such

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

+1 for MetalC. Puts it all under your control. +10 for SAMPLIB members in MetalC, not that any such are very likely to be provided in what's left of our working lifetimes. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, March

Re: zEDC compression on z14 and z15 by using ADRDSSU

Have you confirmed the feature is installed and all parms set properly? It almost appears it's GP's instead of zEDC. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Compagno Renato (Consulente per BCC Sistemi Informatici) Sent:

Re: Trouble getting new mainframe staff?

I had a manager who would say "Enough of politics, time to switch to religion" on such occasions. mkk On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:14:04 +, Eric D Rossman wrote: >Enough Bill. Why are we allowing politics on the list? > >Don't we have any moderators? > >Eric Rossman, CISSP

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:35:51 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >> > >> Wouldn't a SAMPLIB member be nice? In a HLL? > >Writing a REXX command processor in a HLL is non-trivial to do correctly. I've >done it a few times and it requires creating a persistent LE environment ... > Well, then, Metal-C?

Re: PL/I question

phsiii wrote . "Not because I was altruistic-it was a good way to meet female Arts students, who had no idea what they were doing with computers and were a LOT better looking than the average female CS student!".. Oh, Phil, how sexist of you. :-) DJ

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether restricted backtracking is desirable. IMHO it greatly restricts the expressive power and utility of the language. BTW, while I find the *ix syntax for refexen to be unduly terse, PEG suffers from the same fault; in fact, PEG and regex syntax are very

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

It’s restricted backtracking which is desirable and a much better implementation than regex https://www.sobyte.net/post/2022-01/lpeg/. Regular expressions are fine for simple use cases but suck when they become complex. They are also slow and blared which is why everybody uses PEGs these days.

Re: looking for 'how to' developing Rexx host command

Hm, the article explicitly mentions contexts in which PEGs don't backtrack but instead do greedy matching. In Perl, greedy matching is available if you need it but is not the norm. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: HLL support for interfaces that use R0

The problem is that between my lack of experience with the features added in the last 4 decades and the crowded layout of the code, I haven't figured out what "it" is. Hence asking for the syntax. Thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: HLL support for interfaces that use R0

Sometimes. see Using the environment block for reentrant environments on p. 244 of Chapter 12. TSO/E REXX programming services. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on

Re: R: zEDC compression on z14 and z15 by using ADRDSSU

Despite the fact that we have thousands of volumes we don't take full volume dumps anywhere, so I cannot give our comparison. We also don't have TAPE anymore. :-) Perhaps open a ticket with IBM and let us know what IBM says?

I: zEDC compression on z14 and z15 by using ADRDSSU

Sorry guys I realized that the table have lost their format then I resend them and I hope this will enhances the readability Jobchain On Z14 with ZCOMP: JOBNAME Step CPU SRB Count Min. Min. PSDRB10114226.560.58

Re: HLL support for interfaces that use R0

If the intention is to get the address of the REXX environment block which is passed in R0 then that problem is solved by calling IRXINIT with the FINDENVB function. https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.3.0?topic=irxinit-parameters On Mon, 2022-03-21 at 14:44 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > A