Google Paris datacenter down 2 weeks, no word on restore

2023-05-09 Thread Mike Schwab
https://www.theregister.com/2023/05/10/google_cloud_paris_outage_persists/ -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Solarwind to z/OS

2023-05-09 Thread Jake Anderson
Hello Tom So the solarwind expects SNMPV2 ? Does SNMPV2 handle bulk request? On Tue, May 9, 2023, 11:22 PM Tom Longfellow < 03e29b607131-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > My experiences with Solarwinds interacting with z/OS have not been > pleasant. > > First discovered it as my

Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols]

2023-05-09 Thread David Crayford
2.4.1 is more than a slight update, it’s a completely different front-end. To make it more confusing there are three C/C++ compiler products on z/OS. XL C/C++ is the legacy compiler which supports 31/64-bit and has CICS translation built it. It can run as a batch program. IBM have made no

Re: JES2 Submitlib Bootstrap problem

2023-05-09 Thread Mark Jacobs
The point that I'm trying to make with IBM is why support a path option on the SUBMITLIB parameter if it just doesn't work during JES2 initialization when the system is IPLed? The design is broken. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key -

Re: JES2 Submitlib Bootstrap problem

2023-05-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 9 May 2023 19:58:11 +, Mark Jacobs wrote: >I opened a ticket with IBM on this. Should be interesting to hear what they >say. > Keep the list posted. I'm taking short odds on WAD in view of Rex's concerns. OMVS remains a second-class citizen; considered expendable. You might be

Re: Can REXX OUTTRAP trap WTO's?

2023-05-09 Thread Farley, Peter
This would be a one-time call to retrieve the WTO output, not a repeating event, but thanks for the suggestion. Instead I'm coding a test version of the in-house utility to make the data easier to get (PUTLINE instead of WTO) for my one-time use. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: Can REXX OUTTRAP trap WTO's?

2023-05-09 Thread Farley, Peter
Yes, I guess that would be the only real way to accomplish this. I could use the SDSF Rexx API, but it may be more trouble that it is worth to me for this one-time use. Thanks for the suggestion though. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of

Re: JES2 Submitlib Bootstrap problem

2023-05-09 Thread Mark Jacobs
I opened a ticket with IBM on this. Should be interesting to hear what they say. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, May 9th, 2023

Re: Solarwind to z/OS

2023-05-09 Thread Tom Longfellow
My experiences with Solarwinds interacting with z/OS have not been pleasant. First discovered it as my major source of Scanning ports of my system for vulnerabilities.Until I purposely put in Defensive Management Demon filters, they were my ONLY source of that kind of hacking attempts.

Re: Can REXX OUTTRAP trap WTO's?

2023-05-09 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Peter, Assuming you  have SDSF, have you considered using its one of its APIs to scan the SYSLOG every n minutes? Regards, David On 2023-05-09 13:55, Farley, Peter wrote: I believe that the CONSOLE facility is authorized and I have no authorization. I have no access to either System

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM announcement letter summary

2023-05-09 Thread Pommier, Rex
Gil, They do at least provide the URL, I left it off for brevity. No word as to whether they'll send any kind of correspondence in the future or just expect folks to bookmark the URL and then remember to go look on a weekly (or other regularly scheduled time) basis. Rex -Original

Re: Can REXX OUTTRAP trap WTO's?

2023-05-09 Thread ITschak Mugzach
If this process run as a batch job, the wto will be written to jesmsglg. You may call sdsf to read your own job log... בתאריך יום ג׳, 9 במאי 2023 ב-20:56 מאת Farley, Peter < 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>: > I believe that the CONSOLE facility is authorized and I have no >

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM announcement letter summary

2023-05-09 Thread Pommier, Rex
John, The announcement letter email wasn't just z-series. I used to support p-series hardware and AIX as well, and idle curiosity has kept me getting those announcements as well. They were all included in the e-mail, based on your preferences. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: Can REXX OUTTRAP trap WTO's?

2023-05-09 Thread Farley, Peter
I believe that the CONSOLE facility is authorized and I have no authorization. I have no access to either System Rexx or Netview Rexx. Any other ideas? The business need is not sufficient to request authorizations, this is just a script to set up some test data that would really be helped by

Re: Can REXX OUTTRAP trap WTO's?

2023-05-09 Thread Farley, Peter
The macro used is a simple assembler WTO macro with text, nothing fancy. It is unfortunately not feasible to permanently change to a PUTLINE since the primary usage of the WTO output is in existing production batch processes, not TSO or Rexx usage. I guess I could cobble up a temporary

Re: IBM announcement letter summary

2023-05-09 Thread zMan
I realized a couple of years ago that I'd stopped even reading the announcements, because there was so little in there. Which is itself symptomatic of a problem, not a rebuttal to Rex's point! On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 1:26 PM Paul Gilmartin < 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

Re: Can REXX OUTTRAP trap WTO's?

2023-05-09 Thread ITschak Mugzach
It depends on the macro used to create the message. See below snippet from the manual: However, OUTTRAP does trap output from the PUTLINE macro with DATA or INFOR keywords. Therefore, if you write any command processors, you may want to use the PUTLINE macro rather than the TPUT or WTO macros.

Re: Can REXX OUTTRAP trap WTO's?

2023-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
See the CONSOLE facility in TSO. I don't know whether it is available in System Rexx. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Farley, Peter <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 1:30 PM To:

Can REXX OUTTRAP trap WTO's?

2023-05-09 Thread Farley, Peter
Cross-posted to IBM-MAIN and TSO-REXX lists. Is there any way for Rexx script to capture WTO output? This is a simple case, a one-line WTO, no multiline possible. I only recently found a need to do this, and my tests so far say "no it can't". /* Rexx */ /* Capture WTO from BATCHPGM */ xtrp =

Re: IBM announcement letter summary

2023-05-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 9 May 2023 16:56:56 +, Pommier, Rex wrote: >... > >This weekly e-mail communication is now sunset. You can find the weekly IBM >product announcements on the IBM Documentation Announcements page. > > Did they not supply a URL? Shame! >Now, instead of a short summary delivered to

Re: IBM announcement letter summary

2023-05-09 Thread John McKown
WAG - they want to sunset the equipment that runs the functions and the z/OS customers are not important enough to port the process elsewhere. Or maybe they "released" everyone who knew anything about it. IMO, IBM doesn't really care about that much about z anymore. Neither do I. I'll be playing

Job: HLASM

2023-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
If anybody with a strong z/OS HLASM background is looking for a remote programming position, please contact me offline. Must be able to obtain a public trust clearance. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: IBM announcement letter summary

2023-05-09 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
+1 Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

IBM announcement letter summary

2023-05-09 Thread Pommier, Rex
Why, IBM? Was sending out an announcement letter summary that taxing on your limited resources that you had to eliminate this convenience for your customers? Instead of the normal Tuesday announcement letter summary I got this: This weekly e-mail communication is now sunset. You can find the

Re: JES2 Submitlib Bootstrap problem

2023-05-09 Thread Pommier, Rex
I see a problem with this scenario. It appears to me that there is a call (not necessarily by Shmuel) to potentially have JES2 wait for OMVS to be up before it does its startup (or at least completes the startup). Due to a self-inflicted screw-up on one of our LPARs, OMVS decided it had to do

Re: TSO IKJOPER question how about using iKJEGASI to change / get a new command buffer

2023-05-09 Thread Joseph Reichman
So the > On May 9, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Joseph Reichman wrote: > > I could do the same with the sub command exit > >>> On May 9, 2023, at 11:10 AM, Michael Stein wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 07:37:27AM -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >>> I am just wondering when using IKJOPER

Re: TSO IKJOPER question

2023-05-09 Thread Joseph Reichman
I could do the same with the sub command exit > On May 9, 2023, at 11:10 AM, Michael Stein wrote: > > On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 07:37:27AM -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >> I am just wondering when using IKJOPER (operand) and for clarity's sake I >> would like to use an example from TSO TEST so

Re: TSO IKJOPER question

2023-05-09 Thread Michael Stein
On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 07:37:27AM -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: > I am just wondering when using IKJOPER (operand) and for clarity's sake I > would like to use an example from TSO TEST so I would imagine the '=' of TSO > TEST is an IKJOPER Well, it doesn't work like that... Test prescans the

Re: JES2 Submitlib Bootstrap problem

2023-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Yes, IBM absolutely should take startup sequence into account and should provide mechanisms to ensure that things occur in the proper order. This goes beyond OMVS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: TSO IKJOPER question

2023-05-09 Thread Joseph Reichman
Thank you > On May 9, 2023, at 11:02 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: > > On Tue, 9 May 2023 at 15:12, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >> I believe that the optional source tapes for OS/360 and OS/VS2 3.8 are >> archived (CBTTAPE?), so it should be possible to examine the source code >> for TEST. > > > MVS

Re: JES2 Submitlib Bootstrap problem

2023-05-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 9 May 2023 12:18:11 +, Mark Jacobs wrote: >I defined several submitlibs in my JES2PARM to use directories in a ZFS >filesystem. When I hotstart JES2, JES2 can find everything and is happy. >During IPL/JES2 startup it's not. It doesn't seem like OMVS is initialized yet >and so the

Re: TSO IKJOPER question

2023-05-09 Thread Tony Harminc
On Tue, 9 May 2023 at 15:12, Seymour J Metz wrote: > I believe that the optional source tapes for OS/360 and OS/VS2 3.8 are > archived (CBTTAPE?), so it should be possible to examine the source code > for TEST. MVS 3.8 TSO modules can also conveniently be browsed at

Re: TSO IKJOPER question

2023-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
It is not possible to use the TEST statement of IKJTSOxx to cause TEST to treat assignment statements as user subcommands. Furthrt, we it possible you'd need to duplicate the functionality of the existing assignment statement and distinguish a normal assignment from your version. It is

Re: TSO IKJOPER question

2023-05-09 Thread Mike Schwab
MVS 380 examined the source code included in the MVS 3.8 tapes that various Hercules developers ordered from IBM. For the most part, it was at MVS 3.7 base level with many 3.7 PTFs, 3.8 base and PTFs not included. For a few products, the they attempted to update the source code for the final MVS

Re: TSO IKJOPER question

2023-05-09 Thread Joseph Reichman
Seymour I can only say you are amazing It seems it is not possible To customize an operator like ‘=‘ As the subcommand Must appear the first entered text Talking in IKJTSOxx subcmd(scmd,LOAD1) Thank you > On May 9, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > I believe that the

Re: TSO IKJOPER question

2023-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
I believe that the optional source tapes for OS/360 and OS/VS2 3.8 are archived (CBTTAPE?), so it should be possible to examine the source code for TEST. I would expect it to be something like IKJOPER 'Err label',OPERND1=OP1,RSVWD=OPLIST,OPERND2=OP2 OP1 IKJTERM 'Err label', ... OPLIST

Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols]

2023-05-09 Thread Steve Smith
Yeah, I've been just as confused as anyone. It doesn't make much sense to have an entirely new compiler ("Open XL C/C++") with a name so subtly different from the old one ("XL C/C++"). It's typical of IBM to add & remove fashionable buzzwords to/from product names with no significance. So this

Re: Logical Nor (¬) in ASCII-based code pages?

2023-05-09 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Phil, Tsuris?! ... Maybe farklempt is more apt? (For people of Yeshivish background (like me) Ogmas Nefesh is even closer.) Regards, David On 2023-05-09 00:26, Phil Smith III wrote: Seymour, Since you seem to be getting upset about this academic discussion, I will bow out. No need

Re: Logical Nor (¬) in ASCII-based code pages?

2023-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
No, I'm getting upset about trying to put words in my mouth; that's not something that is acceptable in Academia. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Phil

JES2 Submitlib Bootstrap problem

2023-05-09 Thread Mark Jacobs
I defined several submitlibs in my JES2PARM to use directories in a ZFS filesystem. When I hotstart JES2, JES2 can find everything and is happy. During IPL/JES2 startup it's not. It doesn't seem like OMVS is initialized yet and so the file systems aren't accessible for JES2 to resolve. I

TSO IKJOPER question

2023-05-09 Thread Joseph Reichman
Hi I am just wondering when using IKJOPER (operand) and for clarity's sake I would like to use an example from TSO TEST so I would imagine the '=' of TSO TEST is an IKJOPER Used to modify storage. The subcommand is '=' Does the subcommand have to be the first operand I mean clearly