Why so much hate for z/OSMF? We sound like a bunch of grumpy old boomers
resistant to change.
I always found ServerPac clunky and unnecessarily complicated. Longing for that
is not a hill I would choose to die on.
I have been supporting a 4 LPAR organisation since 2018 using z/OSMF
I believe what you stated below is the major problem. z/OS systems have years
of process, embedded meta information in PROCs, file names, HLQs, etc. Its not
a “fresh disk install” its about existing processes and procedures, time to
migrate, the risk involved in making the alignment happen
I think ours is set for port 22 with SSHD* but I’d have to check to be
sure.
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 5:55 PM Wendell Lovewell <
01e9c0ee0673-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> A big "Thank you" to all of you listers who chimed in on my "EDC5111I
> Permission denied.
A big "Thank you" to all of you listers who chimed in on my "EDC5111I
Permission denied. (errno2=0x744C7246)." message.
Almost everyone was on the right track. Changing to port showed that it
was just port 22. Commenting out the RESTRICTLOWPORTS and the PORT reservation
for "22 SSHD"
On Tue, 30 May 2023, at 21:41, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> SMP/E uses VSAM
I've no idea if that is or was correct
> and doesn't have the wonky member names of SMP through SMP4.
You keep saying this ... and you're still wrong. I don't know why you're so
sure. Maybe it's changed since then
Very true - and that isn't just Windows. MS Office anyone? It seems like
every new release they tape the user interface icons and menu items to scrabble
pieces, then give them a good shake in a hat, pulling them out randomly to
build the next user interface. OK, it isn't that bad but they do
Really? I just looked at my z/OS SCDS (2.4). Definitely a PDS structure and
here's what it looks like:
Name
.G.3
.GXc'...
../.
.Z7X>...
_{..
_...
nGXc=...
Rex
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I haven't installed windows since 3.1, but I always do as fresh install of
ArcalOS and Linux on a spare logical drive, using a RYO script to deploy my
customization. That includes a lot of desktop customization for ArcaOS.
For z/OS, you should be able to keep your local mods in a PDS, rework if
FWIW (perhaps nothing), IBM solved the upgrade problem ~30 years ago for VM by
separating the operating system nucleus (kernel) from the filesystem. That is,
you can have multiple copies of the VM nucleus on various CMS (the end-user
environment) minidisks, which CP (the hypervisor) knows how
And not just with every new release! These days Windows (at least how I
run it) decides to put on changes whenever it feels like it.
But if you're talking about the default Windows Start Menu, I haven't
used it since Windows 7. With a new Windows install that's probably the
first thing I
ObQohelet1:9 I vaguely recall reading a diatribe against the degeneracy of the
younger generation, written in ancient Greece. There have always been people
who didn't want to learn.
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Does any know if suspended SRB control blocks (SSRB/SSRX) are
stabilized by holding the LOCAL lock? (I'm considering logic in
support of setting up TRAP2 debugging for SRBs.)
Thanks,
Dave Cole
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SMP/E uses VSAM and doesn't have the wonky member names of SMP through SMP4.
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Funny! Yes, that sounds like the same conversation I had with XXX
company and the product, not necessarily that number of X's but
could be :)
You're right, I should have mentioned that when I install a new version
of Windows or Linux, I always start with a full install file and a
I don't see an FMID issue with SMP/E. I see an issue with being able to install
and remove service selectively, but can you have a reliable system if they take
that away? The classical "reboot" and "reinstall" solutions to windows issues
are not acceptable on a 24x365 enterprise server.
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How about the last time that the menu structure changed? I keep reading user
complaints about each new release of windows that boil down to not being able
to find things because they aren't where they used to be.
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
I'm surprised no one has mentioned about checking to see if the low ports (<
1024) are restricted.
Matthew
On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:23:23 +, Allan Staller wrote:
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>Things to check.
>TCP Policy Agent
>Other users of the poirt (as previously suggested).
>OMVS
>> Turned on both of the empty member options and it still does not allow input
>> under Prompt.
Charles,
I misunderstood your request. The prompt option is not available as it is
already provided in the EDIT menu itself. However, the panel ISREDM01 is NOT
updated with the prompt options
Turned on both of the empty member options and it still does not allow input
under Prompt.
This is with Edit -- ISPF 2. Works with DSLIST -- ISPF 3.4.
Charles
On Tue, 30 May 2023 17:00:50 +, Sri h Kolusu wrote:
>>> Interesting. The Edit member selection panel (ISPF 2 with a blank member
Tom,
I have gotten the privilege of reinstalling 2 Windows machines in the past year
that were so messed up from failed installs/updates that it was easier to just
low level the hard drive and start over. Could I have fixed 1 or both of them?
I don't really know, because Microsoft has hidden
> > Is there anything easy we/IBM could do to move in the right direction?
>
> Examine the current system,
> create a script to set the equivalent values for z/OSMF?
Oh, so just like the Model function in z/OSMF Software Management?
When you install software, like z/OS, using z/OSMF, during the
"I've known people for whom using Excel is a struggle."
Ha ha! Add me to that list.
It could be the original PC's and Unix/Linux were also more like a
tailored suit, but then things like plug-and-play and better install
programs were created to hide and standardize. Like you say, that was
Our history with z/VM could best be defined as 'Hobbyist' level to test the
concept of multiple virtual Linux servers running on an IFL.
As it not being a formally funded project, licensed $$$ software features like
DIRMAINT would NOT be purchased or licensed.
Over a dozen years ago I set this
Yes I have the list -- I know them by naming standard and I can do a Virtual
Volume Search to the Cluster and get a downloadable list of volume names and
their current category status.I already have a REXX roughed out that
generates the command I think I need. But I really need to find
Windows, MacOS, Android and so on are built on the premise of "mass
marketing". Which means they need are set up in "the one true way". Lack of
choice is required to make things easy enough for someone who is not
interested in technology, just using something. I've known people for whom
using
I agree with that.
On 5/30/2023 10:27 AM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
I can’t speak for IBM but I believe that z/OSMF is part of the strategy to help
guide folks onto a consistent approach. The challenge is that policies,
procedures and configuration options have existed for years across thousands
I can’t speak for IBM but I believe that z/OSMF is part of the strategy to help
guide folks onto a consistent approach. The challenge is that policies,
procedures and configuration options have existed for years across thousands of
customers. The cloud refers to servers as cattle because
I can't remember the last time a Windows/Linux install failed. I do
remember the last time an ISV z/OS install failed, and when I called for
help the support person said, "Don't worry about it, *everybody* calls
when installing this particular product." :)
ISRFIND/ISRDDN is still hunting.
>> Interesting. The Edit member selection panel (ISPF 2 with a blank member
>> name) shows a Prompt heading but the fields are protected.
Charles,
You probably don’t have the option to edit empty members. Using option 0
(settings) from ISPF main menu and look at Member list options at the
@Sri and @Steve, thank you. Got it. From ISPF 3.4.
Interesting. The Edit member selection panel (ISPF 2 with a blank member name)
shows a Prompt heading but the fields are protected.
Charles
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:39:53 +, Sri h Kolusu wrote:
1. Is there any support in JCL or in ISPF
>>>1. Is there any support in JCL or in ISPF for reading member generations?
Charles,
There is no JCL support for member generations, but ISPF does provide the
support. Here is how you do it.
1. Allocate PDSE version 2 with maxgens defined at 20. Note your allocation
will fail if your
Kids can install, because basically one FMID, and if it doesn’t work, good luck.
How many FMID components make up core z/OS? Maybe if IBM made it one FMID you
could install like android.
I can use ISRFIND or ISRDDN, to find many things out in Seconds, no more
hunting thru libraries.
z/OS is
>From an "Extended" member list display (with the 8-char command field), you
can place a '/' in the Prompt field:
EDIT SAS00.MAIN.CNTLMember DEFDDIR1
saved
Command ===> Scroll ===>
CSR
Name Prompt
Maybe actually teach the new sysprog's how MVS works? Like real
knowledge?
Ah, why do THAT when there are s many better shortcuts to give them
to screw it all up.
Glad my time in this gets shorter every day.
Doug Fuerst
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From: "Colin Paice"
To:
Perhaps we've put the cart before the horse. Define and then transition to a
standard environment and then provide the tooling to manage it. Trying to do it
the other way around has taken years and too much stress. The transition won't
be easy but if there is a benefit it will happen -
Charles,
Try this Share presentation. (Rather long URL. If problem just try searching
for "PDSE member generations").
So how come my kids can install apps and updates to their Windows and
Mac machines, and I can work with Linux with no formal training? For
example, I don't need to hunt down SYS3.MY2013.PARMLIB(PROG46), I look
in /etc and parms are in standard directories. Even my Android (while
annoying)
Your reasons are some of those that prompted the creation of PDSEGEN.
Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck
“Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you
are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - -
Lack of better member generation support is the reason that my team is still
using PDS instead of PDS/E. We *like* the ability to easily retrieve previous
and deleted versions of members from the PDS "gas".
(This is helped because we have a home-written ISPF panel that lets you
display,
True enough - and one more thing is that while IBM supports member generations,
they DO NOT support them via JCL, dynamic allocation, or the majority of their
utilities/tools. And don't even try to find them in zExplorer, ZOWE, or ZOAU
(or is it ZAOU?).
Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website:
SMP used to do this, and ISTR SMP/E does as well.
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:34 AM Schmitt, Michael
wrote:
> And IMS. MFS Formats have non-display and lower-case letters in the member
> names.
>
> Such as:
>
> ."wACOV0
> 07ACCDEF
> 2F613650
>
>
>
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And IMS. MFS Formats have non-display and lower-case letters in the member
names.
Such as:
."wACOV0
07ACCDEF
2F613650
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:18:48 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote:
>I may not have edited these posts correctly for this, but, I
>thought I should point out that an IBM product does create
>"illegal" (per JCL) member names. And that would be Netview.
>
Also Binder with the CASE(MIXED) option.
>So yes,
I have to disagree.
First lets talk about the migration guide and how many products an average
customer runs for a z/OS upgrade?
Then how many of the hundreds of actions does any one customer need to actually
perform?
Then, I know many customers, who may apply one RSU once per year and just add
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:04 AM Colin Paice wrote:
>
> People feel that z/OSMF is not meeting their needs. Looking at the positive
> sideIf we wanted to get future z/OS newbies up to speed very quickly (1
> month) What should IBM and us users be doing?
>
>1. Making better use of existing
People feel that z/OSMF is not meeting their needs. Looking at the positive
sideIf we wanted to get future z/OS newbies up to speed very quickly (1
month) What should IBM and us users be doing?
1. Making better use of existing tools? Eclipse ?
2. Simplify the installation process
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Things to check.
TCP Policy Agent
Other users of the poirt (as previously suggested).
OMVS segment for the affected user.
Public/Private keypair definitions and Permissions. SSH is (*VERY PICKY*) about
file permissions.
I suggest the following reading (thank you
I may not have edited these posts correctly for this, but, I
thought I should point out that an IBM product does create
"illegal" (per JCL) member names. And that would be Netview.
In years gone by I had seen member names that were really "odd"
and found out that it was Netview that was
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Agreed!
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To clarify, you must use the absolute dsn if you need to specify a member name
*in the JCL* but you can use a relative generation to allocate a PDS[E] to a
step that opens the GDS with DSORG=PO and processes individual members via,
e.g., FIND, OPENJ.
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
As others have said - PDSE member generations are *not* generation data sets. A
PDS or PDSE can be a GDS but the members are not. PDSE member generations
provide similar functionality to a GDG in that the current generation has both
a relative, and absolute, generation of 0. The prior
Hi Tom,
Do you already know the names of the volumes that are now in no man's land?
Isn't that required for Brian's suggestion to work?
I suggest digging through https://public.dhe.ibm.com/storage/tapetool/ to see
if anything in there will help.
You may not find anything to find the volumes,
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