Re: 3705

2015-07-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
to an emulated 3705. Youl' probably use a simulated 270x rather than a simulated 3705, epspecially if you can't find NCP, EP, PEP and NTO. I'd use TELNET NVT if the host supports it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html

Re: 3705

2015-07-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 20150722212511.3f5b44874...@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu, on 07/22/2015 at 02:25 PM, glen herrmannsfeldt g...@ugcs.caltech.edu said: I believe SuperWylbur is a commercial product, derived from one of the others. OSI-EDS-SSI. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position;

Re: 3705

2015-07-22 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
William Jones bjo...@followup-to-newsgroup.com wrote: (snip, I wrote) I am hoping to run Wylbur, Milten, and Orvyl, but TSO or VM/CMS are also possibilities. Is Wylbur or SuperWylbur available? I saw discussion on this years ago from Gerhard when he mentioned he was working on it but then

Re: 3705

2015-07-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:16:27 -0700, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: http://www.livingcomputermuseum.org/About-Us/What-is-Living-Computer-Museum.aspx -- glen Ah! Thanks! That much dispels the mystery. So often there's a reason, just not an intuitively obvious one. -- gil

Re: 3705

2015-07-22 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
William Jones bjo...@followup-to-newsgroup.com wrote: On 2015-07-22, glen herrmannsfeldt g...@ugcs.caltech.edu wrote: William Jones bjo...@followup-to-newsgroup.com wrote: (snip, I wrote) I am hoping to run Wylbur, Milten, and Orvyl, but TSO or VM/CMS are also possibilities. Is Wylbur or

Re: 3705

2015-07-22 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
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Re: 3705

2015-07-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
that the Usenet gateway doesn't work anymore. I am wondering what software one needs for a 3705 to connect up ordinary ASCII terminals. NTO. Why? To connect terminals to a 3705. That's *WHAT*, not *WHY*. Why real terminals and why through a 3705? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT

Re: 3705

2015-07-22 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: (snip, I wrote) To connect terminals to a 3705. That's *WHAT*, not *WHY*. Why real terminals and why through a 3705? Probably some real terminals, and a terminal server for people not close enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: 3705

2015-07-21 Thread Tony Harminc
On 21 July 2015 at 02:13, glen herrmannsfeldt g...@ugcs.caltech.edu wrote: OK, I forgot that the Usenet gateway doesn't work anymore. Imminent death of the net predicted! I am wondering what software one needs for a 3705 to connect up ordinary ASCII terminals. Typically just EP

Re: 3705

2015-07-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:35:40 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: On 21 July 2015 at 02:13, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: OK, I forgot that the Usenet gateway doesn't work anymore. Imminent death of the net predicted! I am wondering what software one needs for a 3705 to connect up ordinary ASCII

Re: 3705

2015-07-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
g...@ugcs.caltech.edu (glen herrmannsfeldt) writes: OK, I forgot that the Usenet gateway doesn't work anymore. I am wondering what software one needs for a 3705 to connect up ordinary ASCII terminals. For example, what would be needed to use TSO or Wylbur on ASCII terminals? I know

Re: 3705

2015-07-21 Thread John McKown
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:13 AM, glen herrmannsfeldt g...@ugcs.caltech.edu wrote: OK, I forgot that the Usenet gateway doesn't work anymore. I am wondering what software one needs for a 3705 to connect up ordinary ASCII terminals. For example, what would be needed to use TSO or Wylbur

Re: 3705

2015-07-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 20150721061350.bb5994874...@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu, on 07/20/2015 at 11:13 PM, glen herrmannsfeldt g...@ugcs.caltech.edu said: OK, I forgot that the Usenet gateway doesn't work anymore. I am wondering what software one needs for a 3705 to connect up ordinary ASCII terminals. NTO. Why

Re: 3705

2015-07-21 Thread Mike Schwab
: On 21 July 2015 at 02:13, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: OK, I forgot that the Usenet gateway doesn't work anymore. Imminent death of the net predicted! I am wondering what software one needs for a 3705 to connect up ordinary ASCII terminals. telnet readily connects to TSO and to CMS. But what

Re: 3705

2015-07-21 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 20150721061350.bb5994874...@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu, on 07/20/2015 (snip, I wrote) OK, I forgot that the Usenet gateway doesn't work anymore. I am wondering what software one needs for a 3705 to connect up ordinary ASCII terminals

Re: 3705

2015-07-21 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
(snip, I wrote) To connect terminals to a 3705. Well, maybe a terminal server instead of terminals. I'm posting to Usenet. (Can't be bothered.) That is where I read it, so fine with me. A display? Do you intend to use ISPF, CMS? You need to provide better info. I am hoping to run

3705

2015-07-21 Thread glen herrmannsfeldt
OK, I forgot that the Usenet gateway doesn't work anymore. I am wondering what software one needs for a 3705 to connect up ordinary ASCII terminals. For example, what would be needed to use TSO or Wylbur on ASCII terminals? I know this is what was done 35 years ago, but I don't know now who

Re: 3705

2015-07-21 Thread Mike Wawiorko
EP or PEP (NCP + EP) in the 3705. EP terminals corresponded to MVS device addresses. BTAM, TCAM, RTAM or similar in what was MVS There were add-ons to NCP NTO or NPSI with LLC5 PAD that might achieve something similar that made ASCII teletypes appear as SNA LU type 1, 2 or 3. My memory may