Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-20 Thread Mark S Waterbury
I can confirm the part of the story where Grace Hopper found herself left without a ride back to her hotel in Osaka. In the late 1970s, I had the pleasure of meeting Grace Hopper when she came to visit the facility where I was working at that time. When she stopped by our department, she was

Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Holst
Perhaps I can put this in some historical context for the MOVE vs COPY choice. Decades ago Grace Hopper spoke at an ASM meeting I attended. The folks on the ENIAC team developed a COBOL precerser that looked a bit like English. Actually they had observed that in most languages, commands start

Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-19 Thread Charles Mills
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 5:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > What exactly would "mo

Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
20 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? I tend to side with Tony on this one. One can find many things on the Internet that are either imprecise or just plain wrong. The meaning of "computer", like many words, h

Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-19 Thread Joel C. Ewing
t;>>> meaning different from English is SORT. In English "sort" means to put >> into >>>> appropriate sub-groups: sort the forks and spoons into their drawers. >> What >>>> we mean by SORT in English is order: have the children line up ordered

Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-18 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
spoons into their drawers. > What > >> we mean by SORT in English is order: have the children line up ordered > by > >> height; order the files alphabetically. > >> > >> Charles > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >>

Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
y height; order the files alphabetically. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All The

Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
u.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 6:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? What

Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-18 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
have the children line up ordered by > height; order the files alphabetically. > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Tony Thigpen > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:21 AM > To: IBM-M

Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-18 Thread Charles Mills
.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? The only "destructive move" I have been able to find (i.e, a real move, not a copy) based on one real respo

Re: COBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-18 Thread Tony Thigpen
The only "destructive move" I have been able to find (i.e, a real move, not a copy) based on one real response, is in C (and derivatives) that is not really what we are talking about. It's move of a "change the pointer to the variable and drop the original storage" type of thing. And, it's a