Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-26 Thread Glenn Wilcock
Great ideas. Please open Marketing Requirements for the suggestions so that they can be officially tracked and managed. Thanks, Glenn -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-25 Thread Mike Schwab
How about adding a VSAM keyword that after reading the VTOC, looks up the VSAM CLUSTER and migrates the entire VSAM SPHERE too? Yes, it is slower, but doing each dataset is even slower. Any way of doing something with 0 track or invalid datasets? I.E, reallocating them on another volume then

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-25 Thread Mike Schwab
Oh, and how about a RETRY(#minutes) that retries after a pause of #minutes for datasets that don't migrate, and a SHUTDOWN option to retry during SHUTDOWN and a STARTUP option to retry when the system is restarted. This would help get DISABLED volume empty. On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Mike

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-25 Thread Staller, Allan
I would like to see similar option w/HRECOVER. Not for the parallelism (already provided in z/OS 1.12), but to reduce the number of commands required. i.e. RECOVER an entire storage group with one command. Rather than (in my case) several hundred HRECOVER VOLUME(xx) commands per SG. snip

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-25 Thread Mike Schwab
Oh. If you want to recall a dataset, and the ML volume is busy, use the last backup volume instead of taking away the ML volume from a migrate task. On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Staller, Allan allan.stal...@kbmg.com wrote: I would like to see similar option w/HRECOVER. Not for the

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-25 Thread Richard Marchant
the INTERVALMIGRATION tasks to four by specifying: INTERVALMIGRATION(4) Richard -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-25 Thread Glenn Wilcock
Hi, other customers with similar scenarios have requested multitasking support for MIGRATE VOLUME and the addition of a MIGRATE STORAGEGROUP command. I am currently 'Accepting' requirements for this type of functionality. Assuming that we deliver this type of functionality in an upcoming

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-24 Thread J.P.
Hi everyone and thanks for your creative feedback! (sorry for a late reply, I was AFK for a few days..) So, a few more details about the environment and what problem we're trying to solve here: Data sets from several sources are produced in a PIT backup process (mostly image copies from DB2) to

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-24 Thread Mike Schwab
Configure your backup job to write to a non-GDG PS disk backup. Once the backups are done, copy them to a GDG on tape. The next day, overwrite the PS disk backup. Our job using ADRDSSU: //CPYADRDS PROC HLQ=VLT,VOL1=DUMMY,GENI='(00)',TYPEI=W, //

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-24 Thread Graham Harris
A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: At 21:40 +0100 on 09/18/2013, Graham Harris wrote about Re: HMIGRATE in parallel: I agree. What should not be hard for HSM to create multiple migration subtasks (each with its own ML2 dataset) and have the master task pass one dataset at a time to each

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-20 Thread Glenn Wilcock
I suspect that the reason why this was originally implemented this way is that the function was added back in the day when there were only reel tapes, tape drives were at a premium and individual ds migrate commands were infrequest, so individual command migrations were single threaded and

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-18 Thread Lizette Koehler
. Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Glenn Wilcock Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMIGRATE in parallel Hi, are you using the WAIT or NOWAIT option? Even though

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-18 Thread Glenn Wilcock
Hi, Please provide more detail related to your environment so that we can better help. Thanks, Glenn -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message:

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-18 Thread Graham Harris
snip I agree. What should not be hard for HSM to create multiple migration subtasks (each with its own ML2 dataset) and have the master task pass one dataset at a time to each subtask (ie: The subtask does the same work as is currently done for a migrate). As each subtask finishes it asks the

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-17 Thread Glenn Wilcock
Hi, are you using the WAIT or NOWAIT option? Even though it is single tasked, NOWAIT should just submit the request and then return control back so that the job is not waiting for the migration to complete. Glenn -- For

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-17 Thread Lizette Koehler
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Glenn Wilcock Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMIGRATE in parallel Hi, are you using the WAIT or NOWAIT option? Even though it is single tasked, NOWAIT

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-17 Thread Darth Keller
Interesting approach - If the poster is actually trying to get an application PIT (point in time) backup of his application using HSM, the only way I could get that to work here would be to flashcopy the whole thing to new names then run HSM backups against those new names. Then it would no

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-17 Thread Gibney, Dave
] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMIGRATE in parallel Glenn I think he wants to run wide on the migrates. So if he submits 10 migrates, he wants them to run concurrently. But the OP states it only mounts one

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-17 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Yes, it would be but it is not what the OP asked for. -Original Message- From: Gibney, Dave [mailto:gib...@wsu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMIGRATE in parallel Is this not called ABARS? -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-17 Thread Gibney, Dave
Is this not called ABARS? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Darth Keller Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMIGRATE in parallel Interesting approach

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-17 Thread Darth Keller
1:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMIGRATE in parallel Is this not called ABARS? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Darth Keller Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-17 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
. -Original Message- From: Doug [mailto:dsh...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMIGRATE in parallel Since DB2 is headed to copypool as a back up, what the OP 'wants to do' sounds great but.. As already stated, HSM migrate by command

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-17 Thread Doug
Since DB2 is headed to copypool as a back up, what the OP 'wants to do' sounds great but.. As already stated, HSM migrate by command is single threaded. Maybe on of the HSM Guru's could jump in on this thread? Sounds like a great requirement request. Regards, Doug Sent from my iPhone On Sep

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-17 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 13:43 -0400 on 09/17/2013, Doug wrote about Re: HMIGRATE in parallel: As already stated, HSM migrate by command is single threaded. Maybe on of the HSM Guru's could jump in on this thread? Sounds like a great requirement request. I agree. What should not be hard for HSM to create multiple

HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-16 Thread J.P.
Hi! We've got a scenario where we should do a backup of some data to data sets and after succesful backup send the previous copy to ML2 (so we've got only the latest on DASD). Since there are multiple backup jobs, we've tried to send a TSO command (via IKJEFT01 in the jobs) to HMIGRATE the

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
, September 16, 2013 9:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: HMIGRATE in parallel Hi! We've got a scenario where we should do a backup of some data to data sets and after succesful backup send the previous copy to ML2 (so we've got only the latest on DASD). Since there are multiple backup

Re: HMIGRATE in parallel

2013-09-16 Thread Staller, Allan
ISTR reading in the fine manual that command activities (specifically migrate and backup) are single threaded...IOW BAD I believe command recall is an exception to the above. HTH, snip We've got a scenario where we should do a backup of some data to data sets and after succesful backup send