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gt; A card deck is easy to edit, we used to have a hand punch for minor JCL > corrections. > A damaged card can often be recovered by manual copying. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#37 Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#38 Paper tape (w

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for minor JCL corrections. A damaged card can often be recovered by manual copying. on the plus side for paper tape, you can't get the cards out of order, or drop the deck.. but for general data processing cards win hands down. Dave Wade

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26-Jan-17 11:51:59 AM Subject: Re: Paper Tape My first experience was with an IBM 2560 on a 370/125. The IBM 2560 Multi-Function Card Machine (MFCM) provides the System/360 Model 20 with a unique and versatile input/output capability. It combines the facilities of a card reader, card

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Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael O'Byrne Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper Tape The IBM 1402 card reader read cards at 800 cards per minute or 1066.67 characters per second (14XX series). The IBM 2540 card r

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The IBM 1402 card reader read cards at 800 cards per minute or 1066.67 characters per second (14XX series). The IBM 2540 card reader read cards at 1000 cards per minute of 1333.3 characters per second (S360 series). The IBM 2671 paper tape reader read 500 - 1000 characters per second. Michael

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The IBM 1402 reader punch read cards at 800 cards/minute or 64,000 character/minute (1066.67 characters/second) The IBM 2540 reader punch read cards at 1000 cards/minute (1333.3 characters/second) The IBM 2671 paper tape reader read tape at 500 to 1000 character per second. Michael C

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glas Adams > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of R.S. > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:04 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Paper Tape > > (I admit I could miss the information in t

Plug Boards (was: Re: Paper tape)

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:51:39 -0800, John Mattson wrote: >But even more ancient were the plug boards which were used for other >purposes. There was one lady, Sono Obuchi, who was the only one who knew >how to program them. I stayed as far away from them as I could.

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> On Jan 19, 2017, at 10:51 AM, John Mattson <johnmattson...@gmail.com> wrote: > > GTE Data Services in Marina del Rey, CA was still getting paper tape > out put from telephone local offices in 1982. Basically the system worked > fine, and while they were sche

Paper tape

GTE Data Services in Marina del Rey, CA was still getting paper tape out put from telephone local offices in 1982. Basically the system worked fine, and while they were scheduled for replacement, they figured "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Tapes came from the local offices and

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

40 to read in your job. Printed output was written to another 7-track mag tape, then taken to the 1401 to print. (I still have DOS Release 26 SYSRES packs for 2311 (1316) and 2314 (2316) drives/disk packs). Being an old guy I punched a lot of tape on an ASR-33. I have a roll of paper tape that I

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> On Jan 17, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Michael O'Byrne <moby...@footlocker.com> wrote: > > In 1972 I was the second shift manager of the IBM Customer Data Center in > Chicago. We had a paper tape reader/punch attached to a System/7. We > could attach the System/7 to Sys

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Gil: That is for a PRINTER not a teletype machine. Two completely different animals. That being said yes system 7 did have a teletype reader that is NOT a 360/370 machine. Ed > On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Paul Gilmartin > <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Mon, 16

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Phil: Hard to say. As mentioned earlier, my last contact with paper tape (other than 1403 printer control tape) was in1962 on my return to the lower 48 and my next USAF assignment at SAC HQ in Omaha, NB, where I remained in the USAF for another 2 years and stayed active in encrypted teletype

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> IBM reference > https://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/reference/glossary_1.html > > 1050 [2] The 1050 system consisted of the 1051 control unit, 1052 > printer-keyboard, 1053 printer, 1054 paper tape reader, 1055 paper tape > punch and 1056 card reader. These various components were

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On 2017-01-17 18:45, Phil Smith wrote: > Tom Marchant wrote: >> Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used paper tape. > > Huh. We had a keypunch in the house in 1965, and I started hanging out in the > computer room at UofW in 1971. I've never seen paper

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Tom Marchant wrote: >Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used paper tape. Huh. We had a keypunch in the house in 1965, and I started hanging out in the computer room at UofW in 1971. I've never seen paper tape in use, only at the Computer History Museum. Maybe I was just lu

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:21:16 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >Yep. I was going to ask that as a Friday riddle: "what was special about >channel 12?" Yes, a program could check it so that it knew when to quit >printing detail lines, print subtotals, and eject to a new page. Holy cow! Can >you

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:21:16 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >Can you imagine a program running directly connected to a printer, not spooled? Back in the '70's we had a couple of programs that directly connected to a printer. They were check writing programs, and the check numbers were pre-printed

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dana Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) And also wasn't a channel 12 punch used as end of form indicator that could be checked

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And also wasn't a channel 12 punch used as end of form indicator that could be checked programatically, so the program could skip to channel 1 when needed? Now that's been a while... Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

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would not be spaced correctly. Michael C. O'Byrne Senior Software Analyst - Enterprise Server Foot Locker Corporate Services 7800 W Brown Deer Rd, Milwaukee, WI 53223 (414) 357-4094 From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Date: 01/16/2017 11:27 AM Subj

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

12:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) > Extra points could be earned by raising the lid when printing was > actually taking place The cover (as you noted) raised on its own for paper jams and IIRC a paper out condition. Double extra

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models, IIRC. So you could buy a "commercial" 360 or a "scientific" 360, as well as one that did both. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Anne & Lynn Wheeler Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 8:31 A

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sean Gleann Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 8:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) "...There is just zero doubt in my mind that the 1403 printer used

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ommercial" machine that > preceded the 360, the "all-purpose" computer. (70xx was the > "scientific" series.) > > Agree on the 3211. > > There is just zero doubt in my mind that the 1403 printer used a > "special" (not TTY-like) paper tape, s

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

"...There is just zero doubt in my mind that the 1403 printer used a "special" (not TTY-like) paper tape, solely for carriage control, not "data."..." That's my memory, too. Ours was a 1403-N1 aka '1403-Nancy' - with a lid that was raised on motor-driven screws when

Paper Tape

In 1972 I was the second shift manager of the IBM Customer Data Center in Chicago. We had a paper tape reader/punch attached to a System/7. We could attach the System/7 to System/360 but generally it was stand alone. At the time, an energy company was testing an application that would

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t zero doubt in my mind that the 1403 printer used a "special" >(not TTY-like) paper tape, solely for carriage control, not "data." > >Charles > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of

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r remember seeing any IBM device or >> computer that had a paper tape reader/writer. This goes back to the >> 360’s . I just got off the phone with a friend and he does not >> remember it for the 14xx either. > >2671 paper tape reader and 2822 paper tape reader control >http:/

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-purpose" computer. (70xx was the "scientific" series.) Agree on the 3211. There is just zero doubt in my mind that the 1403 printer used a "special" (not TTY-like) paper tape, solely for carriage control, not "data." Charles -Original Message- From: IB

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Gil: That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a 1403/3211(?) was just for that machine. i.e. skip to channel x As I have said before I do not ever remember seeing any IBM device or computer that had a paper tape reader/writer. This goes back to the 360’s . I just got off

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 20:12:02 -0600, Edward Gould wrote: >> On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> >> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:27 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: >>> >>> Yep. That's what I was thinking of. I didn't say that it was used for I/O. >>>

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> On Jan 16, 2017, at 11:07 PM, retired mainframer <retired-mainfra...@q.com> > wrote: > > While an individual's experience may be typical, it is seldom exhaustive. > > We had a paper tape punch on our system well past 1977. I first used it in > 1973 on a 370/155 bu

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

While an individual's experience may be typical, it is seldom exhaustive. We had a paper tape punch on our system well past 1977. I first used it in 1973 on a 370/155 but I know it was transferred from an older system and survived several CPU upgrades. The corresponding paper tape readers

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

edgould1...@comcast.net (Edward Gould) writes: > That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a > 1403/3211(?) was just for that machine. i.e. skip to channel x As I > have said before I do not ever remember seeing any IBM device or > computer that had a paper tape r

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ape on a 1403/3211(?) was just for that machine. i.e. skip to channel x As I have said before I do not ever remember seeing any IBM device or computer that had a paper tape reader/writer. This goes back to the 360’s . I just got off the phone with a friend and he does not remember it for the 14xx eit

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at the most inopportune moment. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) On Mon, 16

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 09:27:31 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >It was exactly as shown in the Wikipedia photo. It was a very durable, tough, >high-fiber paper, not at all the same as TTY punch tape -- other than the >superficial similarity. After all, it made a trip around the sensors every >page

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to recall that in a pinch one could use a loose-leaf or similar punch. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape

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On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:27 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:15:38 +, Vince Coen wrote: > >>If no where else it was on the printers for channel control. > >Yep. That's what I was thinking of. I didn't say that it was used for I/O.

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

00a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 2:21:58 PM >> Subject: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) >> >> Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used pa

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Back to the early 70s and the start of my career... as a lowly trainee operator on an ICL 1904 at the local University... The programmers would supply their compiled programs in the form of spools of paper tape, just because the spools were physically compact. After reading in the same program

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with my dad, manager of a Kroger store. At >>> night he would insert various strips of punch film into a reader to >>> report the store's daily transactions. >> Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used paper tape. >> >> What was it used for? &

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punch film into a reader to >> report the store's daily transactions. > Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used paper tape. > > What was it used for? > I would question the "almost every mainframe" part, unless you possibly restrict consideration to non-IBM mainfra

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DU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) My dad spent a lot of time in Czechoslovakia. His best friend there was an engineer, and used to do programming using a paper-tape machine-but they didn't have paper tape, so they'd use old movie film from Soviet movie industry. Always wondered

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the 1970s was boot loaded from paper tape ("Lochstreifen"); it contained the very first stages of the operating system. When that (sort of) BIOS was installed, it fetched the other parts of the operating system from a sort of fixed head disk called "Trommelspeicher".

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My dad spent a lot of time in Czechoslovakia. His best friend there was an engineer, and used to do programming using a paper-tape machine-but they didn't have paper tape, so they'd use old movie film from Soviet movie industry. Always wondered what kinds of images were on those frames

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List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Grinsell, Don Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 4:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) I remember using paper tape in high school in the mid-70's. Punch cards in college and my first job. I joined

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I used paper tape when I was in the Navy from 1969 to 1979 and then into the 1980's when I was in the Reserves. I was a CTO or Cryptologic/Communications Technician Operator and we used paper tape with the Teletype machines to send and receive messages within our communication centers. On Sat

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This German Wikipedia article about Lochstreifen (paper tape) has some nice pictures: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochstreifen#Lochstreifenstanzer and this is a PDF about the display peripherals of our Telefunken machine: ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/telefunken/tr440/doku

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f a Kroger store. At >> night he would insert various strips of punch film into a reader to >> report the store's daily transactions. > > Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used paper tape. > > What was it used for? I have been in the mainframe

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Early 029. Course when I got back to class. Could I please program the 029 to do tabbing and verification for data entry folks? I guess-might have to rip a few drums out of the keypunch lab, but they don't need them. In a message dated 1/13/2017 5:53:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,

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Paper tape was there you just did not see it unless you was an operator. If no where else it was on the printers for channel control. This admittedly was wider than the normal 8 channel tape for many of the newer printers. Tape was used for very small updates (well at least by me

Re: Memories (was: RE: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:44:51 +, Lester, Bob wrote: > Dartmouth? I got into quite a bit of trouble when I got a little > over-familiar with the DTSS system at Dartmouth - one connected to the USMMA > (among others, I think). This was around 1975/6. > > Crashed it once (via acoustic

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(mostly dumb trivia follows) > Anyone ever play with fanfold paper tape? As far as I know, IBM products "never"* used fanfold paper tape, but rather spools. The 1620 had a big paper tape reader, as did the 1130 and 1800 minicomputers. Interesting, when the System/7 came out, IBM

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:23:13 -0500, Randy Hudson wrote: >In article <1b40a37.6eb3673.45aab...@aol.com> Edward Finnell wrote: > >> I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic >> Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta. > >BASIC? I think

Memories (was: RE: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) [ EXTERNAL ] In article <1b40a37.6eb3673.45aab...@aol.com> Edward Finnell wrote: > I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing > Basic Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta. BAS

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Ticker Tape is different. No holes. Stock prices printed on it. You know those stock price "crawlers" on TV, at your broker's, and in Times Square? Those are a simulation of ticker tape. Picture that stock crawler printed on paper tape -- that's ticker tape. The printing device

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Don't remember the specifics. I was in the engineering department and we were using Basic to calculate analog multiplexor settings. The computer was in Atlanta with an agreement with AT long lines for access via acoustic coupler. That summer went on an ACM tour of UAB cardio unit and they

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

In article <1b40a37.6eb3673.45aab...@aol.com> Edward Finnell wrote: > I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic > Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta. BASIC? I think Dartmouth BASIC was created around 1964, but I didn't realize it was

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I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta. There were eight holes but the 4th from left was the sprocket feed. If you put the tape in upside down it would saw it in two.

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Parades in New York. Called Ticker Tape. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Tom Marchant > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:22 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Paper tape (was

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BTW: the teletypes were General Electric devices, and the paper tape had 8 holes, not 5. So every row on the tape could hold one 8-bit byte; I don't know what coding it was. The machine had neither ASCII nor EBCDIC; it was another special Telefunken code (Zentralcode). The General Electric

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

I remember using paper tape in high school in the mid-70's. Punch cards in college and my first job. I joined the army in 1981. I was eventually assigned to a signal unit in 1984 and lo and behold I had paper tape again in our radio teletype vans. We transcribed the messages onto the tape

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

The only input to the IBM 610 at the University of Notre Dame in October, 1959, was the standard 5-hole teletype paper tape. Sophomore Year, Fall, 1959. Fiftieth Anniversary of Digital Computing at the University of Notre Dame, 2009: In September, 1959, I was a sophomore at Notre Dame

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

dialog, and some of them had a paper tape reader/puncher attached. So you could use this paper tape in the following way: when finishing work on one day, you could print your source code to the teletype; before output starts, you switched on the paper tape punch, and this way you produced

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Anyone ever play with fanfold paper tape? I did, between school and university. I guess you'd call it a gap year job, nowadays. :-) Anyhow, lots of fun to be had with diskette box lids being used to catch the paper tape as it passed through the reader. If it missed the box the stuff arced

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:35:40 +, David W Noon <david.w.n...@googlemail.com> wrote: >On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant >(000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Paper tape >(was Re: Hidden Figures)" >> Well into the 1970's a

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

For the education of the newbies, I'm going to take paper tape back to the '60s. I was in the Air Force from 1960-1964 as an electronics technician maintaining cryptographic equipment, some of which was used with teletype equipment. Teletypes used a 5-bit code called Baudot code. For those

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant (000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)" (in <3742476116017335.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu>): > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab

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Watch the opening scenes from the movie Colossus for a walk down memory lane. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Paper tape

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First time I saw paper tape was in school, Vo-Tech, UNIVAC system in 1974-75, once in the real world starting @ Sears in 1977 never saw paper tape again and not since, lots of cards no paper tape . - Original Message - From: "Tom Marchant" <000a2a8c20

Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

o the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used paper tape. What was it used for? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN