Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On the bookshelf behind me in my office is an IBM carriage control tape punch. In the late 1970s I rented time on an IBM Model 40. It had no attached unit record hardware because the 2821 control unit was still used on 370 hardware and cost more than the Model 40! There was a 1401 with 4

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Gil: That is for a PRINTER not a teletype machine. Two completely different animals. That being said yes system 7 did have a teletype reader that is NOT a 360/370 machine. Ed > On Jan 17, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Paul Gilmartin > <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Mon, 16

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Phil: Hard to say. As mentioned earlier, my last contact with paper tape (other than 1403 printer control tape) was in1962 on my return to the lower 48 and my next USAF assignment at SAC HQ in Omaha, NB, where I remained in the USAF for another 2 years and stayed active in encrypted teletype

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Great line from great (at least as I remember it) scifi book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adolescence_of_P-1 -- after a gunfight in computer room, during which a certain device took a bullet, "That 1052 had it coming". Bill Godfrey mentioned: > IBM reference >

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On 2017-01-17 18:45, Phil Smith wrote: > Tom Marchant wrote: >> Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used paper tape. > > Huh. We had a keypunch in the house in 1965, and I started hanging out in the > computer room at UofW in 1971. I've never seen paper tape in use, only at the >

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Tom Marchant wrote: >Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used paper tape. Huh. We had a keypunch in the house in 1965, and I started hanging out in the computer room at UofW in 1971. I've never seen paper tape in use, only at the Computer History Museum. Maybe I was just lucky?

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On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:21:16 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >Yep. I was going to ask that as a Friday riddle: "what was special about >channel 12?" Yes, a program could check it so that it knew when to quit >printing detail lines, print subtotals, and eject to a new page. Holy cow! Can >you

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On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:21:16 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >Can you imagine a program running directly connected to a printer, not spooled? Back in the '70's we had a couple of programs that directly connected to a printer. They were check writing programs, and the check numbers were pre-printed

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Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dana Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) And also wasn't a channel 12 punch used as end of form indicator that could be checked

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And also wasn't a channel 12 punch used as end of form indicator that could be checked programatically, so the program could skip to channel 1 when needed? Now that's been a while... Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

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n Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:27 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:15:38 +, Vince Coen wrote: > >>If no where else it was

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

12:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) > Extra points could be earned by raising the lid when printing was > actually taking place The cover (as you noted) raised on its own for paper jams and IIRC a paper out condition. Double extra

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that the 1403 printer used a > "special" (not TTY-like) paper tape, solely for carriage control, not > "data." re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#37 Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) we eventually put 1443 on 360/65 for keeping up with console output, things got

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sean Gleann Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 8:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) "...There is just zero doubt in my mind that the 1403 printer used

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olely for carriage control, not > "data." re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017.html#37 Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) we eventually put 1443 on 360/65 for keeping up with console output, things got so that 1052-7 couldn't keep up with all the messages ... and so had to be filte

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t; > (not TTY-like) paper tape, solely for carriage control, not "data." > > Charles > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:

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t zero doubt in my mind that the 1403 printer used a "special" >(not TTY-like) paper tape, solely for carriage control, not "data." > >Charles > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of

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On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:29:19 -0800, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: >edgould1948 (Edward Gould) writes: >> That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a >> 1403/3211(?) was just for that machine. i.e. skip to channel x As I >> have said before I do not ever remember seeing any IBM

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M Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) Gil: That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a 1403/321

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Gil: That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a 1403/3211(?) was just for that machine. i.e. skip to channel x As I have said before I do not ever remember seeing any IBM device or computer that had a paper tape reader/writer. This goes back to the 360’s . I just got off the

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 20:12:02 -0600, Edward Gould wrote: >> On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> >> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:27 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: >>> >>> Yep. That's what I was thinking of. I didn't say that it was used for I/O. >>>

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

gt; >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Edward Gould >> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 6:12 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) >

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UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Edward Gould > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 6:12 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) > Gil: > That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a 1403/3211(?) was > just for that > machine.

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edgould1...@comcast.net (Edward Gould) writes: > That is not how I remember it at all. The Carriage tape on a > 1403/3211(?) was just for that machine. i.e. skip to channel x As I > have said before I do not ever remember seeing any IBM device or > computer that had a paper tape reader/writer.

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> On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Paul Gilmartin > <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:27 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: > >> On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:15:38 +, Vince Coen wrote: >> >>> If no where else it was on the printers for channel control. >>

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at the most inopportune moment. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) On Mon, 16

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 09:27:31 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >It was exactly as shown in the Wikipedia photo. It was a very durable, tough, >high-fiber paper, not at all the same as TTY punch tape -- other than the >superficial similarity. After all, it made a trip around the sensors every >page

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

to recall that in a pinch one could use a loose-leaf or similar punch. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape

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On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:27 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:15:38 +, Vince Coen wrote: > >>If no where else it was on the printers for channel control. > >Yep. That's what I was thinking of. I didn't say that it was used for I/O.

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

00a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 2:21:58 PM >> Subject: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) >> >> Well into the 1970's almost every mainframe shop used pa

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Back to the early 70s and the start of my career... as a lowly trainee operator on an ICL 1904 at the local University... The programmers would supply their compiled programs in the form of spools of paper tape, just because the spools were physically compact. After reading in the same program a

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

In article <0ef78383-f053-5127-1c69-daf5709a5...@acm.org> Joel Ewing wrote: > On 01/13/2017 02:21 PM, Tom Marchant wrote: >> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: >> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape >>> About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, manager of a Kroger store.

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On 01/13/2017 02:21 PM, Tom Marchant wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape >> About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, manager of a Kroger store. At >> night he would insert various strips of punch film into a reader to >>

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DU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) My dad spent a lot of time in Czechoslovakia. His best friend there was an engineer, and used to do programming using a paper-tape machine-but they didn't have paper tape, so they'd use old movie film from Soviet movie industry. Always wondered

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

I guess, Konrad Zuse in the 1930s used movie film for controlling his machines, too. The instructions were on the (movie film) tape, and by stepping the tape, the machine executed the instructions on the tape. There were no control instructions, no conditional branches (of course); only an

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

My dad spent a lot of time in Czechoslovakia. His best friend there was an engineer, and used to do programming using a paper-tape machine-but they didn't have paper tape, so they'd use old movie film from Soviet movie industry. Always wondered what kinds of images were on those frames!

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List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Grinsell, Don Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 4:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) I remember using paper tape in high school in the mid-70's. Punch cards in college and my first job. I joined

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e was a > >>> specific code that shifted between letters and numbers/figures > >>> modes, so that there could be more than 32 values represented. > >>> > >>> Messages could be punched onto a paper tape from a keyboard and then > &g

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rote about "Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)" (in <3742476116017335.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu>): On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, manager of a Kroger store.

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> On Jan 13, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Tom Marchant > <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape >> About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, manager of a Kroger store. At >> night he

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

Early 029. Course when I got back to class. Could I please program the 029 to do tabbing and verification for data entry folks? I guess-might have to rip a few drums out of the keypunch lab, but they don't need them. In a message dated 1/13/2017 5:53:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

starting @ Sears in 1977 never saw paper tape again and not since, lots of cards no paper tape . - Original Message - From: "Tom Marchant" <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 2:21:58 PM Subject: Pa

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:44:51 +, Lester, Bob wrote: > Dartmouth? I got into quite a bit of trouble when I got a little > over-familiar with the DTSS system at Dartmouth - one connected to the USMMA > (among others, I think). This was around 1975/6. > > Crashed it once (via acoustic

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

(mostly dumb trivia follows) > Anyone ever play with fanfold paper tape? As far as I know, IBM products "never"* used fanfold paper tape, but rather spools. The 1620 had a big paper tape reader, as did the 1130 and 1800 minicomputers. Interesting, when the System/7 came out, IBM just rebadged

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:23:13 -0500, Randy Hudson wrote: >In article <1b40a37.6eb3673.45aab...@aol.com> Edward Finnell wrote: > >> I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic >> Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta. > >BASIC? I think

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@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) [ EXTERNAL ] In article <1b40a37.6eb3673.45aab...@aol.com> Edward Finnell wrote: > I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing > Basic Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta. BAS

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: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) Parades in New York. Called Ticker Tape. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the mes

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Don't remember the specifics. I was in the engineering department and we were using Basic to calculate analog multiplexor settings. The computer was in Atlanta with an agreement with AT long lines for access via acoustic coupler. That summer went on an ACM tour of UAB cardio unit and they

Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)

In article <1b40a37.6eb3673.45aab...@aol.com> Edward Finnell wrote: > I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic > Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta. BASIC? I think Dartmouth BASIC was created around 1964, but I didn't realize it was

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I started at Southern Bell Co-op student in '66 on a 33ASR writing Basic Programs on I think it was a GE635 at one of the Banks in Atlanta. There were eight holes but the 4th from left was the sprocket feed. If you put the tape in upside down it would saw it in two.

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Parades in New York. Called Ticker Tape. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Tom Marchant > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:22 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Paper tape (was

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Mentor Services Corporation On 01/13/2017 03:35 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant (000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)" (in <3742476116017335.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu>

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I remember using paper tape in high school in the mid-70's. Punch cards in college and my first job. I joined the army in 1981. I was eventually assigned to a signal unit in 1984 and lo and behold I had paper tape again in our radio teletype vans. We transcribed the messages onto the tape

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Dame. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Myers Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) For the education of the newbies, I'm going to

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are hearing here. Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation On 01/13/2017 03:35 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant (000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)" (in <3742476116017335.wa.m42to

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:33, Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:35:40 +, David W Noon <david.w.n...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant >> (000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:35:40 +, David W Noon <david.w.n...@googlemail.com> wrote: >On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant >(000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Paper tape >(was Re: Hidden Figures)" >> Well into the 1970's a

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are hearing here. Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation On 01/13/2017 03:35 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant (000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)" (in <3742476116017335.wa.m42to

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:21:58 -0600, Tom Marchant (000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures)" (in <3742476116017335.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@listserv.ua.edu>): > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab

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(was Re: Hidden Figures) On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape >About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, manager of a Kroger store. At >night he would insert various strips of punch film into a reader to >report the store's daily

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20-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 2:21:58 PM Subject: Paper tape (was Re: Hidden Figures) On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:56:57 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape >About 1974-75, I lived with my dad, man