Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-12 Thread R.S.
To avoid misunderstandings: n*z/OS + m*CF = Parallel Syplex, and n=1...32, m=1...16. I don't know what "most people" interpret, and without some sociological survey. My survey told me that no one of my family members, neighbours or local shop seller do understand parallel sysplex as you

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-12 Thread Timothy Sipples
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >RLS require Parallel Sysplex, but not everyone need it. We should be more precise and careful, to avoid any misunderstandings. VSAM RLS requires: * At least one z/OS instance (let's go with exactly one in this example); * A Coupling Facility (CF)(*), which can even be

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-11 Thread R.S.
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Sysplex between two hardware Maybe it's illusory, but that is in David Raften document. Obviously it's cheaper to have 2 CPCs th

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-11 Thread Richards, Robert B.
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Sysplex between two hardware Maybe it's illusory, but that is in David Raften document. Obviously it's cheaper

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-11 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-07-11 o 09:41, Timothy Sipples pisze: J.O.Skip Robinson wrote: It's easy to diss a solution as 'budget' when it saves someone *else* money. I quite agree. As it happens, I'm quite fond of the single machine z/OS Parallel Sysplex configuration that David also describes. I wish more

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-11 Thread R.S.
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Sysplex between two hardware W dniu 2018-07-10 o 06:56, Timothy Sipples pisze: I should also respond to this part: Radoslaw Skorupka wrote

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
J.O.Skip Robinson wrote: >It's easy to diss a solution as 'budget' when it saves >someone *else* money. I quite agree. As it happens, I'm quite fond of the single machine z/OS Parallel Sysplex configuration that David also describes. I wish more installations without Parallel Sysplex would adopt

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-10 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Sysplex between two hardware W dniu 2018-07-10 o 06:56, Timothy Sipples pisze: > I should also respond to this part: > > Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >> ...for availability reasons o

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-10 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-07-10 o 06:56, Timothy Sipples pisze: I should also respond to this part: Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: ...for availability reasons one should avoid having CF and z/OS LPAR on the same hardware, which means That's not phrased as IBM would phase it, and it's not correct as written.

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-10 Thread Martin Packer
Date: 10/07/2018 09:35 Subject: Re: Sysplex between two hardware Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Martin, thanks I time to time read your blogs very useful however one you pasted for the deactivated lpar's doesn't have much on the performance side ...anyway yes we have L

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-10 Thread Ravi Gaur
Martin, thanks I time to time read your blogs very useful however one you pasted for the deactivated lpar's doesn't have much on the performance side ...anyway yes we have LOCK1 duplex...here's an example from our dev partitions. STRNAME: Dxxx_LOCK1

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-10 Thread Martin Packer
A common pattern (and I often see the inactive LPARs in RMF* SMF) but tell me: Do you duplex DB2 LOCK1? And how is that working out performancewise? * I wrote about how to do this in https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/MartinPacker/entry/lpars_what_s_in_a_name?lang=en in 2014.

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-10 Thread Ravi Gaur
We took an approach where for each plex we had CF defined on two cec's as that make sense : 1. Systems defined in the plex are defined on both CEC ...i.e. Say we have plex of 4 systems (SYS1,SYS2,SYS3,SYS4), each with 2 systems on one CEC1(SYS1 & SYS2 Active(Normal running) the rest 2 in

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-10 Thread Peter
gt; > Sent: 09 July, 2018 18:07 > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Sysplex between two hardware > > > > I stand by my original reply. All you need is an ICF LPAR in each CEC > > and physical links to connect the CECs, together with full CF structure > &

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-10 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
t; Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson > Sent: 09 July, 2018 18:07 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Sysplex between two hardware > > I stand by my original reply. All you need is an ICF LPAR in each CEC > and physical links to connect the CECs, together with full CF structure > d

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-09 Thread Timothy Sipples
I should also respond to this part: Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >...for availability reasons one should avoid having CF >and z/OS LPAR on the same hardware, which means That's not phrased as IBM would phase it, and it's not correct as written. Even when there's some merit in physically

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-09 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 8:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Sysplex between two hardware

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-09 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
nframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Allan Staller > Sent: 09 July, 2018 16:33 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Sysplex between two hardware > > That configuration is perfectly valid. You are merely missing some(but > not all) redu

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-09 Thread Allan Staller
Subject: Re: Sysplex between two hardware W dniu 2018-07-09 o 15:41, Mark A. Brooks pisze: > The essence of the matter is to ensure that the selected configuration meets > the availability objectives of the business services supported by the > sysplex. One must consider the service re

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-09 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-07-09 o 15:41, Mark A. Brooks pisze: The essence of the matter is to ensure that the selected configuration meets the availability objectives of the business services supported by the sysplex. One must consider the service restoration objectives for the business services in light

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-09 Thread Mark A. Brooks
The essence of the matter is to ensure that the selected configuration meets the availability objectives of the business services supported by the sysplex. One must consider the service restoration objectives for the business services in light of the potential failures that can occur for a

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-09 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of R.S. > Sent: 09 July, 2018 14:26 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Sysplex between two hardware > > W dniu 2018-07-09 o 13:12, Vernooij, K

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-09 Thread Allan Staller
, all will be well. The issue requiring an ETR is synchronization/tolerization for XCF. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 5:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Sysplex between

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-09 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-07-09 o 13:12, Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM pisze: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: 09 July, 2018 12:47 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Sysplex between two hardware W dniu 2018-07-06 o

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-09 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of R.S. > Sent: 09 July, 2018 12:47 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Sysplex between two hardware > > W dniu 2018-07-06 o 18:22, Jesse 1 Robinso

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-09 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-07-06 o 18:22, Jesse 1 Robinson pisze: We all have lots of questions about your goals here, but the short answer to your question is Yes, sysplex is the answer. I assume that your two boxes are already connected in some way as to share access to data. Turning such a configuration

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-06 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 5:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Sysplex between two hardware Peter wrote: >We are looking up for a solution where we need a LPAR to have a hot standby >in other LPAR r

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-06 Thread Timothy Sipples
Peter wrote: >We are looking up for a solution where we need a LPAR to have a hot standby >in other LPAR running in a different machine . >As we are trying to create a sysplex relationship between two LPARS running >in a different machines . >Apology for my ignorance and is it possible ? Yes,

Re: Sysplex between two hardware

2018-07-06 Thread Vince Getgood
Peter, What is your question exactly? If you MEAN a "hot standby" - which I understand to mean a system that is IPL'd but not being used, but could take on workload from a currently active and used system, I'd say that's not a SYSPLEX, that's a disaster recovery scenario. If you are trying to