Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

gee, I,ve worked at both places. When IRS 6 years ago running C++ and COBOL on the mainframe. From: Clark Morris <cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 9:05 PM Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers [Default] On

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[Default] On 18 Apr 2018 02:53:35 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 0102cb4997b0-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Larre Shiller) wrote: >On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 19:19:07 -0700, Ed Jaffe >wrote: > >>On 4/17/2018 3:55 PM, Edward Gould wrote: >>> >>> I can’t speak to the

Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers

--Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 10:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers On 20/04/2018 4:54 AM, Mike Hochee wrote: > I have ye

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implementation on zTPF or was it down to poor design? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric Chevalier Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New

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t > to keep the workload on zTPF. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Eric Chevalier > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:07 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs

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Chevalier Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers On 4/18/18 1:50 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: > IBM ALCS became zTFP. That is generally all in Assembler, unless you > use JAVA. But JAVA is way too slow TPF has had C/C++

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On 4/18/18 1:50 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: IBM ALCS became zTFP. That is generally all in Assembler, unless you use JAVA. But JAVA is way too slow TPF has had C/C++ since 1997. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

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sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: > Then PARS -> ACP -> ACP/TPF -> TPF -> TPF/ESA -> z/TPF (IBM supported > today). PARS definitely made it onto System/360, probably from 1965 with > the first machines. However, there were at least three PARS customers that > started on IBM 70xx

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Steve Beaver wrote: >IBM ALCS became zTFP. I don't think so. My understanding, from Wikipedia primarily, is that the ALCS and z/TPF family tree started with a common root ancestor in the SABRE project for American Airlines. SABRE entered initial pilot service in 1960 on IBM 7090 machines. Then

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Shane G wrote: Welcome back Shane! Great to see you're back to tease us with your good spirited posts! ;-) >I can't believe none of the Aussies subscribed have commented. I think you're the last Aussie here in IBM-MAIN, unless I missed someone... If there are others, please shout! >Our

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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers IBM ALCS became zTFP. That is generally all in Assembler, unless you use JAVA. But JAVA is way too slow -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [

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@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers > code, written in assembler, that may be 60 years old That would be 1958; at best a 7070, possibly something older. There's no 7070 emulator on modern hardware and a lot of IRS code was written for TPF, which didn't exist in 1

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tz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> on behalf of Joel C. Ewing <jcew...@acm.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers I read the ref

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Know thy data. Was on a code review of a particularly long running job that was doing a COBOL sort break on totals. It was millions of records but there were only three different record types. So we did a hash and sum. Reduced the run time from over 4 hrs to 14 minutes.  In a message dated

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On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Frank Swarbrick < frank.swarbr...@outlook.com> wrote: > I dare say it probably makes more sense to use COBOL over Java to "add up > a column of numbers".  > > ​If you want to "add up a column of numbers", I suggest APL "sum←+/column​" -- We all have skeletons

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t: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 19:19:07 -0700, Ed Jaffe <edja...@phoenixsoftware.com> wrote: >On 4/17/2018 3:55 PM, Edward Gould wrote: >> >> I can’t speak to the IRS b

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e haven't installed a line of their code yet. > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 9:57 PM > From: "Joel C. Ewing" <jcew...@acm.org> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers > > I read the referenced article.   The title w

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of Syncsort. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 10:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers Be careful what you ask for I think

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Be careful what you ask for I think that Healthcare.gov used "new computers" :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

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Hey Shane, long time no see. Welcome Back! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shane G Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers On Wed, 18

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On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 04:54:58 -0500, Larre Shiller wrote: >>Gee, thanks Ed...! It's certainly not easy managing 150,000MIPS of WebShpere >>on Z, let alone the 150,000 GP MIPS of "everything else". Funny the things that catch your (my) eye - was cruising and noticed this

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On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 19:19:07 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: >On 4/17/2018 3:55 PM, Edward Gould wrote: >> >> I can’t speak to the IRS but the Social Security system (last I heard) was >> *WAY* out of date by at least 20 years (maybe more). Can anyone verify (or >> not),

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I read the referenced article.   The title was obviously written by someone who isn't sufficiently computer-literate to understand that a computer is hardware and that application code is NOT a computer. The text of the article flat out says the IRS has repeatedly updated hardware over the years. 

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On 4/17/2018 3:55 PM, Edward Gould wrote: I can’t speak to the IRS but the Social Security system (last I heard) was *WAY* out of date by at least 20 years (maybe more). Can anyone verify (or not), please? SSA runs one of the most sophisticated data centers of any government agency I've

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> On Apr 17, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Allan Staller wrote: > > The IRS has been trying to upgrade both hardware and software for at least 30 > years I am aware of. > It keeps getting shot down by Congress in the appropriations process. > > The opposite of PROGRESS is CON……

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:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers Since I was actually in the IRS data center a few months ago, the idea of 30 year old technology is absurd. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Ed Jaffe <edja...@phoenixsoftware.com&

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Since I was actually in the IRS data center a few months ago, the idea of 30 year old technology is absurd. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: > >> On 4/17/2018 11:09 AM, Allan Staller wrote: >> The IRS has been trying to upgrade

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On 4/17/2018 11:09 AM, Allan Staller wrote: The IRS has been trying to upgrade both hardware and software for at least 30 years I am aware of. It keeps getting shot down by Congress in the appropriations process. The IRS folks that attend SHARE from time-to-time (from Virginia?) seem to be

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ion Partners -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward Finnell Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 2:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers Just the environmentals from bipo

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Just the environmentals from bipolar to CMOS was a huge incentive. Unfortunately made more room for squatty boxen. In a message dated 4/17/2018 1:56:59 PM Central Standard Time, cvitu...@hughes.net writes:   somewhat to get up to speed with hardware and software that was compliant.  

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and software that was compliant.   Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Chris Hoelscher" <choelsc...@humana.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:04:23 PM Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New Computers Wow - that old hardware

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li...@akphs.com (Phil Smith III) writes: > "Plans to replace the IMF with a twenty-first-century equivalent known as > CADE (Customer Account Data Engine) have faltered. The transition is now > well behind schedule. As a consequence, the likelihood of a catastrophic > computer failure during tax

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They have several z13's and a couple of emperor penguins' -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Gerhard Adam Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The IRS Really Needs Some New

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"Plans to replace the IMF with a twenty-first-century equivalent known as CADE (Customer Account Data Engine) have faltered. The transition is now well behind schedule. As a consequence, the likelihood of a catastrophic computer failure during tax season increases with every passing year. That may

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Nonsense, the IRS is running Z/13's , etc. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Allan Staller wrote: > > The IRS has been trying to upgrade both hardware and software for at least 30 > years I am aware of. > It keeps getting shot down by Congress in the

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The IRS has been trying to upgrade both hardware and software for at least 30 years I am aware of. It keeps getting shot down by Congress in the appropriations process. The opposite of PROGRESS is CON.. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

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Wow - that old hardware really ... taxes ... the system Chris Hoelscher Technology Architect, Database Infrastructure Services Technology Solution Services Humana Inc. 123 East Main Street Louisville, KY 40202 Humana.com (502) 476-2538 or 407-7266 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

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More hysterical than historical; the IRS stopped running on a 7070 a long time ago, and has been using TPF since Old Man Noach cornerend the market on Gopher wood. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion