Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-12-21 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 12/21/2018 9:50 AM, Mike Baldwin wrote: (X) <== LIKE button Cool answer! (Did not try it at home) It reminds me of back in my Waterloony days, experiments with unforeseen consequences. At worst, only temporarily revoked, not fired! (being a student) Haha! I tried it just to be sure it ha

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-12-21 Thread Mike Baldwin
(X) <== LIKE button Cool answer! (Did not try it at home) It reminds me of back in my Waterloony days, experiments with unforeseen consequences. At worst, only temporarily revoked, not fired! (being a student) Thanks, Mike Baldwin Cartagena Software Limited Markham, Ontario, Canada https://car

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-12-15 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 11/26/2018 3:14 AM, Sean Gleann wrote: ... Bumping the parm value to 1G was enough to get the test through, but I'm still arguing for all such limits to be removed - "let the system sort itself out, don't try and 'second guess' things..." Haha! Remove all memory constraints and take bets to

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-30 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 11/21/2018 11:39 AM, Jackson, Rob wrote: This is what standalone restore is for, Sean. But if you don't have one built, you could try this: http://www.cbttape.org/~jjaeger/zzsa.html. I've used it before but not on anything more recent than a z10. If it will IPL, you can find your IEFUSI

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-29 Thread Sean Gleann
_ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Sean Gleann > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 6:14 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Region size for OMVS tasks > > Hello Peter > Problem solved! > Your idea(s) regar

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-26 Thread Seymour J Metz
lf of Sean Gleann Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 6:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Region size for OMVS tasks Hello Peter Problem solved! Your idea(s) regarding the SMF30 record analysis eventually led me to reproducing the test environment used by the developer so that I could ru

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Sean Gleann wrote: >Hello Peter >Problem solved! Excellent. Thanks to Peter Hunkeler. >Your idea(s) regarding the SMF30 record analysis eventually led me to >reproducing the test environment used by the developer so that I could run the >tests myself. This is what IBM (and other vendors) al

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-26 Thread Sean Gleann
Hello Peter Problem solved! Your idea(s) regarding the SMF30 record analysis eventually led me to reproducing the test environment used by the developer so that I could run the tests myself. One look at the command being used showed what the problem was - there was a parametrised upper limit of 768

AW: Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-22 Thread Peter Hunkeler
One more thought: Look At he SMF30 records for one such session. You should get an idea of what‘s going on in that process and its child processes. There will be one record for each command, i.e. when a fork()ed or spawd()ed process ends, and at each exec(). You may find the one program eatin

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-22 Thread Peter Hunkeler
Peter, Mike: Yes, I remember Peter pointing at Mark's page, but for some reason I moved on past that to some other line of enquiry. I've now done what you said, and the results from REXXSTOR in PuTTY are: V I R T U A LS T O R A G EU S A G E ---

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-22 Thread Sean Gleann
Peter, Mike: Yes, I remember Peter pointing at Mark's page, but for some reason I moved on past that to some other line of enquiry. I've now done what you said, and the results from REXXSTOR in PuTTY are: V I R T U A LS T O R A G EU S A G E ---

AW: Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-22 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>http://mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Yep, this is the invaluable link. As I wrote before, try the REXXSTOR rexx found there and run it in a) TSO, b) TSO -> OMVS (shell under TSO), c) putty (shell vie TCP/IP). If possible run in the environment where you‘re getting the out of stroage, and ru

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-22 Thread Mike Schwab
http://mzelden.com/mvsutil.html On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 2:43 AM Sean Gleann wrote: > > Thanks to all that have responded - we're back and running again, but not > due to any work on my part. > > > > My description of the failed system was not complete, for fear of confusing > the issue - it is a

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-22 Thread Sean Gleann
Thanks to all that have responded - we're back and running again, but not due to any work on my part. My description of the failed system was not complete, for fear of confusing the issue - it is a guest z/OS under z/VM that is supplied by a.n. other party. I contacted them and the bad IEFUSI wa

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Peter Hunkeler
Just recognized that the parameter STATE=INACTIVE was missing in my previous post SETPROG EXIT,MODIFY,EXITNAME=SYS.IEFUSI,MODNAME=IEFUSI,STATE=INACTIVE -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access i

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Peter Hunkeler
Trying to follow-up on the stuff that Peter has suggested, I'm still chasing that elusive '54M' - Who sets it? Where is it set? How can I override it? It seems you missed this statement in my first reply in this thread: IEFUSI will gin control in the BPXAS address space before the UNIX process

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Jackson, Rob
This is what standalone restore is for, Sean. But if you don't have one built, you could try this: http://www.cbttape.org/~jjaeger/zzsa.html. I've used it before but not on anything more recent than a z10. If it will IPL, you can find your IEFUSI module and make it like IEFBR14. First Tennes

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
essage - From: "Sean Gleann" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:56:00 AM Subject: Re: Region size for OMVS tasks Thanks, Allan, but I can't get any tasks of any nature started - no VTAM, no TSO, so no copy is possible. (I'll squirrel that

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Carmen Vitullo
leann" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:56:00 AM Subject: Re: Region size for OMVS tasks Thanks, Allan, but I can't get any tasks of any nature started - no VTAM, no TSO, so no copy is possible. (I'll squirrel that 'SYS1.AOSB3' i

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Sean Gleann
have customized IEFUSI, reassemble you customized exit. > IF not, copy SYS1.AOSB3 to SYS1.LLPALIB and re-ipl. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Sean Gleann > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:20 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSER

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Allan Staller
size for OMVS tasks Trying to follow-up on the stuff that Peter has suggested, I'm still chasing that elusive '54M' - Who sets it? Where is it set? How can I override it? So, I created an IEFUSI that, whatever size is requested, whether it be below, above or MEMLIMIT, you get

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Sean Gleann
Trying to follow-up on the stuff that Peter has suggested, I'm still chasing that elusive '54M' - Who sets it? Where is it set? How can I override it? So, I created an IEFUSI that, whatever size is requested, whether it be below, above or MEMLIMIT, you get '0M'. Which, I agree, is probably a bit ex

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-20 Thread Peter Hunkeler
Where did you get all this from? Is it documented somewhere, or is it something you've 'soaked up through your fingertips' over the years? So I went back to the FMs. For any question of kind "How does that UNIX service behave regarding MVS resources, attributes, etc.", I always read what the

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-20 Thread Mike Schwab
For an LPAR, you should have enough dasd to back real memory. To take a system dump, you need to copy the memory and the paging. So you need 3X the amount of real memory. If paging on any LPAR is over 30%, you should be reducing usage or adding space. On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 6:02 AM Peter Hunkel

AW: Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-20 Thread Peter Hunkeler
>Peter: I'm still trying to fully assimilate what you've said - very detailed & complete. Where did you get all this from? Is it documented somewhere, or is it something you've 'soaked up through your fingertips' over the years? I pasted one section which is one part of the „documented some

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-20 Thread Sean Gleann
Thanks for the responses, gents Carmen: yes - that is what I see in the manual Jim: Thanks for the update - it would appear that the manual requires an update Peter: I'm still trying to fully assimilate what you've said - very detailed & complete. Where did you get all this from? Is it documented s

AW: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-19 Thread Peter Hunkeler
From fading memory, so things might have change slightly, but I think most of this still applies. The REGION and MEMLIMIT values that apply to z/OS UNIX processes depend on how and where the process is running: a) BATCH jobs, started tasks, TSO user sessions A program run as batch job, star

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-19 Thread Jim Mulder
gt; Date: 11/19/2018 04:28 PM > Subject: Re: Region size for OMVS tasks > Sent by: "IBM Mainframe Discussion List" > > Interesting stuff, here... > Before making any changes, analysis of the type-30 data showed > SMF30RGN=56623104 (54M) and SMF30MES - the source of MEMLIT

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-19 Thread Carmen Vitullo
ot;Sean Gleann" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:12:18 AM Subject: Re: Region size for OMVS tasks Interesting stuff, here... Before making any changes, analysis of the type-30 data showed SMF30RGN=56623104 (54M) and SMF30MES - the source of MEMLIT -

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-19 Thread Sean Gleann
Interesting stuff, here... Before making any changes, analysis of the type-30 data showed SMF30RGN=56623104 (54M) and SMF30MES - the source of MEMLIT - as '1', which apparently means that MEMLIMIT is set by SMF. Also, SMF30MEM was coming back as 1280M - the same as the MEMLIMIT in SMFPRMxx. So far,

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-19 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Sean Gleann wrote: >None of the suggestions so far check out, unfortunately. >David: all limits associated with memory come back as 'Unlimited' >Carmen: Yes, I've got MEMLIMIT(1280M) specified >Alan: BPXPRMxx MAXASSIZE is set to 2G, and the OMVS segment ASSIZEMAX and >MEMLIMT values are not specif

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-19 Thread Sean Gleann
k ASSIZEMAX and MEMLIMT in the OMVS segment for the UID in > question > > HTH, > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Carmen Vitullo > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 8:03 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Regi

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-19 Thread Allan Staller
size for OMVS tasks do you have a MEMLIMIT in the SMFPRMxx member ? Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Sean Gleann" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 7:51:04 AM Subject: Region size for OMVS tasks We have a problem here that is proving

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-19 Thread Carmen Vitullo
do you have a MEMLIMIT in the SMFPRMxx member ? Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Sean Gleann" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 7:51:04 AM Subject: Region size for OMVS tasks We have a problem here that is proving to be … um...

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-19 Thread Chambers, David W.
] Region size for OMVS tasks We have a problem here that is proving to be … um... "resistant to analysis" & I wonder if anyone on this list might be able to help. Most of our developers submit work to the system from a PuTTY session, that will result in multiple OMVS tasks being fork()e

Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-19 Thread Sean Gleann
We have a problem here that is proving to be … um... "resistant to analysis" & I wonder if anyone on this list might be able to help. Most of our developers submit work to the system from a PuTTY session, that will result in multiple OMVS tasks being fork()ed or spawn()ed. Of late, such work has b