Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-06 Thread Clark Morris
On 5 Feb 2016 15:25:43 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >On 2/5/2016 11:15 AM, Skip Robinson wrote: >> One more point on standalone restore. IPLing from a tape volume basically >> assumes that the tape is non-labelled. That is, the first record read is >> expected to be a bootstrap

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 11:20:16 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote: >The 3584 has numbered SCSI element numbers for every slot, including >those occupied by the drives themselves. Moving a tape from its current >location in the library to the correct SCSI element effectively mounts

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Skip Robinson
...@att.net > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Crispin Hugo > Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 11:58 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library -

Restore at DR site when no mirroring was Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Clark Morris
age- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson >> Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 09:10 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: [Bulk] Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? >

Re: Restore at DR site when no mirroring was Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Mike Schwab
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Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Steve Finch
:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? On 2/4/2016 11:58 PM, Crispin Hugo wrote: > I have not tried this personally but IBM System Storage TS3500 Tape Library > GUI under section Cartridges allows one to select cartridge in L

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/5/2016 10:56 AM, Steve Finch wrote: We do the manual cartridge move from a slot to a tape drive on a regular basis. Never tried the IPL part II II IITT IITT IITT IITT II

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/5/2016 9:40 AM, Gibney, David Allen,Jr wrote: Have your DS8xxx brought to your current location, hook it up and populate, power down, disconnect and ship it to the new place Haha! I didn't see the winking smiley ( ;-) ) but I assume it's there: 1. Purchase and install new FICON

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Skip Robinson
nframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Steve Finch > Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 10:57 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? > > We do the manual cartridge move from a slot to a

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Gibney, David Allen,Jr
5, 2016 9:13 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? > > I apologize for totally missing the context of the question. I was thinking > recovery. We had the same problem when we installed new z12s in our > brand-new da

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? On 2/4/2016 11:58 PM, Crispin Hugo wrote: > I have not tried this personally but IBM System Storage TS3500 Tape Library > GUI under section Cartridges allows one to select cartridge in Library and > move it to a specific slot, the slot can be any of

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Skip Robinson
nframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe > Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 10:44 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? > > On 2/5/2016 9:40 AM, Gibney, David Allen,Jr wro

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/4/2016 11:58 PM, Crispin Hugo wrote: I have not tried this personally but IBM System Storage TS3500 Tape Library GUI under section Cartridges allows one to select cartridge in Library and move it to a specific slot, the slot can be any of the cartridge drives in the Library. I assume

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Crispin Hugo
Please let me know how it goes ! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: 05 February 2016 08:18 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? On 2/4/2016 11:58 PM

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Gibney, David Allen,Jr
LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? > > On 2/5/2016 9:40 AM, Gibney, David Allen,Jr wrote: > > Have your DS8xxx brought to your current location, hook it up and > > populate, power down, disconnect and ship it to the new place >

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/5/2016 12:09 PM, Robert Haimowitz wrote: You no longer need an ICKDSF IPL tape with the current DFDSS. Bob Excellent. And, since this is z/OS 2.2 it should work fine... :-\ -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Finnell
How about a virtual training aid that has Tape Gui and Internal Library stack? Seems like a summer project for an intern. In a message dated 2/5/2016 3:49:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, alan_altm...@us.ibm.com writes: and can click on HELP or the actual buttons, you're going to have

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/5/2016 1:49 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: Ed, I don't think it's up to z/OS to document how to move cartridges around in every tape library, nor appropriate for it to do so. Perhaps not, but that's what they do. Don't worry, I won't send the same RCF in for z/VM. Your comment got me to

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/5/2016 11:15 AM, Skip Robinson wrote: One more point on standalone restore. IPLing from a tape volume basically assumes that the tape is non-labelled. That is, the first record read is expected to be a bootstrap record. If a tape has labels, the first load will fail, but the tape will be

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Clifford McNeill
kip.robin...@att.net> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 1:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? One more point on standalone restore. IPLing from a tape volume basically assumes that the tape is non-labelled. That is, the first record read

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread John Eells
Bob beat me to it! But I'll add this: ...when you specify NOVERIFY (or NVFY) on the RESTORE command. Robert Haimowitz wrote: You no longer need an ICKDSF IPL tape with the current DFDSS. Bob -- John Eells IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-05 Thread Robert Haimowitz
IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 02/05/2016 02:43 PM Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Also don't forget the stand alone ICKDSF IPL tape to init the disk drives before a stand alo

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/4/2016 9:58 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: I'd like to suggest an alternative recovery strategy... Instead of standalone restore, plan to recover a system rather than a volume or two. You don't need to restore sysres. You should have at least two sysres volumes anyway that you swap between for

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Crispin Hugo
drive. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: 05 February 2016 07:38 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? On 2/4/2016 9:58 PM, Skip Robinson wrote: >

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Mike Schwab
Is there any way to log in to issue a mount command within the tape library? Maybe manually mount the Stand Alone Restore tape the first time. Leave one Stand Alone DASD volume up and erase everything else after exercises? Refresh by restoring to another volume then IPLing from it? On Thu, Feb 4,

Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Ed Jaffe
Learned Sysprogs: In "z/OS DFSMSdss Storage Administration" in the chapter entitled, "DFSMSdss stand-alone services" there is a section called "Using a tape library" wherein detailed procedures document how to IPL (or otherwise read) a tape from a 3494 or 3495 tape library into the

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Skip Robinson
UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson > Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 09:10 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [Bulk] Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? > > Not sure if this helps... we don't have any such advanced gear. > > http://www-01.i

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/4/2016 7:17 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: Is there any way to log in to issue a mount command within the tape library? Not that I can find. http://publibfp.dhe.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/a3205604.pdf -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245

Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How??

2016-02-04 Thread Anthony Thompson
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Stand-Alone DSS RESTORE with 3584 Library - How?? On 2/4/2016 7:17 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: > Is there any way to log in to issue a mount command within the tape library? Not that I can find. http://publibfp.dhe.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/a3205604.pdf -- Edward E Ja