Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song

2015-01-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 05ea01d02ddc$927328a0$b75979e0$@mcn.org, on 01/11/2015 at 12:24 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: Logica was a professional service bureau with a professionally-maintained z/OS. FSVO, They got breached. How? One might infer that other MVS sites, and not just those with lax

Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song

2015-01-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 050701d02c6d$4c43bef0$e4cb3cd0$@mcn.org, on 01/09/2015 at 04:35 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: A stitch in time saves nine. Whoosh! Let me rephrase that in simple terms. Have there been any successful cracking attempts in the wild against real, present-day mainframes that

Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song

2015-01-11 Thread Charles Mills
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song In 050701d02c6d$4c43bef0$e4cb3cd0$@mcn.org, on 01/09/2015 at 04:35 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: A stitch in time saves nine. Whoosh! Let me rephrase that in simple terms. Have there been any

Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song

2015-01-11 Thread Andre Massena
] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 12:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song In 050701d02c6d$4c43bef0$e4cb3cd0$@mcn.org, on 01/09/2015 at 04:35 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said

Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song

2015-01-11 Thread Charles Mills
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song Do I know about a violation of the statement of integrity that IBM has not addressed? No, of course not. I am not certain that MVS exposures versus lax security is a black and white dichotomy. It's easy

Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song

2015-01-11 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: I am not certain that MVS exposures versus lax security is a black and white dichotomy. It's easy to look after the fact at any breach and say aha! You should not have done X. I don't think the role of we security practitioners is solely pointing out

Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song

2015-01-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 54aae54e.7060...@acm.org, on 01/05/2015 at 01:26 PM, Joel Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: But, the password encoding in the RACF data base only becomes a security issue if READ access to the RACF data base itself is not properly restricted by RACF. The ironic thing is that while I have never

Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song

2015-01-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 047801d0291f$5efb31f0$1cf195d0$@mcn.org, on 01/05/2015 at 11:39 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: The fact is there have been several successful real hacks of production mainframes, so some sort of real, present-day hacker exposure is not unheard-of in the wild. The Devil is in the

Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song

2015-01-05 Thread Joel Ewing
On 01/03/2015 09:23 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:13:21 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: Indeed it was at least interesting. I would be curious if IBM would like to comment on some of the statements on how how RACF encrypts the passwords. I disagree with how RACF encryption is done

Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song

2015-01-05 Thread Charles Mills
, with disastrous results. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel Ewing Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Young's Black Hat 2013 talk - was mainframe tribute song On 01/03/2015 09