Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Thomas Kern
We had Windows PCs as consoles for our ICC. All of them were not on the real network, so no regular Windows updates. Once a month, we took a long Ethernet cable and connected each console PC to the real network and updated Windows and then reconnected to the ICC. Not too hard to do. /Tom

Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Ronald Wells
visara -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 11:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles. ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION ** We had

Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
But why worry about doing updates if all you are doing is TN3270 on those Windows workstations? Delete all the games, etc. and lock them down. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation.

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Pommier, Rex
Because somebody will come back showing the corporate standard that says ALL Windows PCs must be kept current with patches and anti-virus software. Network connection or not. A prior site I worked at had a key card entry system that worked just fine but it had an old PC running it on an

Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
Probably forced to do so because management listened to an incompetent auditor. "Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens" (Die Jungfrau von Orleans, (III, 6), Friedrich Schiller) "Against stupidity, the gods themselves battle in vain." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
Sad - I've seen that as well. During Y2K a number of phones had to be replaced because the display only showed 2 digits for the year when displaying the date. Go figure the mentality of those making those decisions (they probably got a kick back for the money spent). Lionel B. Dyck <><

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Shakespeare was almost right - First get rid of all the auditors . . .  Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lionel B. Dyck Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 1:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: General Query --- Any comments

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
Yes, an incompetent auditor can cause a lot of damage. However, a good auditor is a joy forever, and is to be treasured. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of

Re: Silly linklist dataset question

2022-04-29 Thread Peter Relson
APF processing uses the real data set name. Thus an entry that is for an alias is basically useless. Health Check CSV_APF_EXISTS reports DS is alias with the explanation: The data set name is an alias of another data set. An APF list entry that has the alias of a data set rather than the real

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Mike Schwab
Well, you need to look at hardware life too. We had a PC running Win NT 4.0 SP6 to configure and monitor IBM ESS F20 (shark) storage and the tin can capacitors leaked and had to be replaced. So anything over 10 years old needs to be replaced for CMOS battery / Capacitor life anyway. On Fri, Apr

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Tom Longfellow
Your story reminds of all the times the pinheads end up invoking the mythical "Super Hacker" that can bypass "Any" security. My feeling is that if we are up against an all powerful Diety, we can just call it a day and go home. Why waste our lives if absolutely Nothing will stop the Super

We Lost

2022-04-29 Thread Steve Beaver
Our community lost another. George Culp whose area was CICS died Friday morning at 3:30AM. He died in the blink of an eye Sent from my iPhone No one said I could type with one thumb -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Silly linklist dataset question

2022-04-29 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Thanks Brian for the sanity check, I'm going to assume the APF entry was added because my predecessor was not sure, so added it to be safe, this is now causing headaches for audit issues. removing the entry will check off an audit to-do for me Carmen On 4/29/2022 2:31 AM, Brian Westerman

Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Dana Mitchell
At my previous site, they had windows PCs for consoles on a dedicated network connected to the ICC ports. Since the PCs don't have access to the outside world, they don't get updates automatically so they don't reboot unexpectedly. The PC folks just have to connect them to the network for

Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Exactly how my previous site was setup, one private vlan for ICC consoles one vlan IIRC for the HMC network worked well Carmen On 4/29/2022 10:35 AM, Dana Mitchell wrote: At my previous site, they had windows PCs for consoles on a dedicated network connected to the ICC ports. Since the PCs

Re: EXTERNAL: CIBXUTOK fetch protected

2022-04-29 Thread Ituriel do Neto
Hi, I have done some extra tests and Mr. Steve Smith was correct, CIBX is not available to batch jobs until a MODIFY is issued. Thank you again for your time and support Best Regards Ituriel do Nascimento Neto z/OS System Programmer Em quinta-feira, 28 de abril de 2022 10:18:20 BRT,

MDB (message data block)

2022-04-29 Thread Pierre Fichaud
The macro IEAVM105 describes the various parts of the MDB. The MDB can be composed of the header, general object, control program object and message text objects. The header must be there and the general object is required. The control program object and text objects are optional. The macro doc

Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Michael Babcock
For our OSA-ICC consoles, we use Visara LX-500 units. These have a TN3270 emulator. OSA-ICC is on a private network with no connection to the outside world. On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dana Mitchell wrote: > At my previous site, they had windows PCs for consoles on a dedicated >

Re: General Query --- Any comments on thin clients as mainframe consoles.

2022-04-29 Thread Brian Westerman
There is no real reason that your ICC consoles need to be on the rest of your network. However, there are people who set it up with a VPN so they can operate consoles from home. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: Silly linklist dataset question

2022-04-29 Thread Brian Westerman
The alias name is not valid to z/OS processing for APF. It's in the manual somewhere. The alias name is jsut a catalog construct, it doesn't physically exist on DISK anywhere. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /