Re: Compile COBOL/CICS pgms on z/OS problem

2013-04-30 Thread George Young
So, maybe something like this //QKVSP01 EXEC PROC=DFHZITCL, //INDEX=DFH420.CICS, //LNGPRFX=IGY420, //DSCTLIB=IBMUSE2.QKVS, //PROGLIB=VENDOR.LINKLIB.SECOND, //PARM.COB='NODYNAM,LIB,MAP,CICS(''COBOL3''),SIZE(1000K)' (though I'm probably missing a ' somewhere) George On

Re: Compile COBOL/CICS pgms on z/OS problem

2013-04-30 Thread Graham Hobbs
Folks, I thankyou - still not resolved - going to bed:-(. Back on Thursday, bad day tomorrow, experiments todo. If it's this ugly for COBOL/CICS, my next week will be COBOL/CICS/DB2 compiles .. yuk Graham - Original Message - From: Graham Hobbs gho...@cdpwise.net Newsgroups:

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-04-30 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 18:44 +0200 on 04/30/2013, R.S. wrote about Re: Check whether job still running: Another option: JOB1 allocates some dataset with DISP=OLD, the JOB2 also has DISP=OLD for the same dataset. Assuming JOB1 is submitted first, JOB2 will wait for JOB1 completion. This solution does not fly.

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-04-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 23:25:40 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: This solution does not fly. JOB2 will sit there and waste an initiator until JOB1 (which is long running) ends. How much does an initiator cost? -- gil -- For

Re: TNLs (Was: PDS searches)

2013-04-30 Thread Ed Gould
On Apr 30, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Mark Zelden wrote: Besides what's new in manuals, ISPF HELP, SHARE presentations, etc., I find out about new commands, features, changes by reading DOC holds when I apply maintenance. Another thing that most people seem to busy to read these days (but I

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-04-30 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 4/30/2013 8:25 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: If you can live with JOB1 and JOB2 having the same jobname and you use JES2, that will handle the wait since JES2 will not allow JOB2 to be initiated so long as JOB1 is executing. This is true only with JOBDEF DUPL_JOB=DELAY. More and more JES2

Re: Easy way to check whether a job is still running (without using TSO)

2013-04-30 Thread Anthony Rudd
The latter - an unauthorised program. I would have thought (hoped) that there is a short sequence of control blocks accessible from an unauthorised program that can be processed to determine whether a known job is running (is know to the system, if not - it has completed). I can certainly use

Re: Linear search vs. Binary search (was: Assembler code)

2013-04-30 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 4/29/2013 10:10 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: I don't know how it keeps a 128-bit PSW. XSBOPSW16 DS XL16 16-BYTE PSW ANALOG OF RBOPSW -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/

Re: Crypto Facility performance.

2013-04-30 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-04-30 06:25, Timothy Sipples pisze: Scott Ford asks: I have a question , can a vendor use crypto services on Z without the crypto Card ? Lloyd Fuller replies: Yes, but not protected key. Protected Key is supported with CPACF (CP Assist Cryptographic Facility) and does not

Re: Crypto Facility performance.

2013-04-30 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-04-30 06:25, Timothy Sipples pisze: [...] Protected Key is supported with CPACF (CP Assist Cryptographic Facility) and does not *require* a CryptoExpress option. Well, what about CKDS? How the protected keys are stored? IMHO protected key *does require* CryptoExpress option, not

Easy way to check whether a job is still running (without using TSO)

2013-04-30 Thread Anthony Rudd
Is there an easy way to check whether a previously submitted job is still running (without using TSO)? Regards Tony -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with

Re: Easy way to check whether a job is still running (without using TSO)

2013-04-30 Thread Charles Mills
D console command? What facilities DO you have? Who are you? -- a program running on z/OS, a user with no TSO access but _ access? Define easy LOL. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Anthony Rudd Sent:

Re: Run a REXX from JCL stream

2013-04-30 Thread Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4)
REXX programs cannot be written inline. You must save it in a PDS. You then allocate that PDS to either SYSPROC or SYSEXEC. Just in case someone ever finds this in the archive: must is a bit too strict. It is quite usual but not necessary to store REXX programs a members in a *PDS*. A REXX

Re: Linear search vs. Binary search

2013-04-30 Thread John Gilmore
David Crayson is right to point out that a decent compiler would have unrolled the loop in the specific five-element case he examines. This is not, however, a tactic that is appropriate for n 5. If one looks at what optimizing C compilers, the usual suspects, do with the classical

Re: Run a REXX from JCL stream

2013-04-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:27:28 +0200, Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4) wrote: To run a REXX from any sequential data set, code: EX 'your.rexx.ps.data.set' And to be complete, to run a REXX from any member in any PDS (not necessarily allocated to //SYSEXEC or //SYSPROC), code: EX

Re: Linear search vs. Binary search

2013-04-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In m38v41wbsc@garlic.com, on 04/29/2013 at 12:18 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said: the claim has been made that 1/3rd of processor cycles for 370 instruction emulation went to checking for whether instruction already fetched/decoded in the pipeline has been modified. this

Re: PDS searches

2013-04-30 Thread Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4)
Create a workplace list and use the 'sf' line command. I didn't know about the sf line command. I'm using the SRCHFOR *primary* command in either a 3.4 or workplace data set list, or in a member list. Runs through all the data sets or members, resp., in the list, finally returning a String(s)

Re: Run a REXX from JCL stream

2013-04-30 Thread Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4)
Well, not entirely complete. Which one(s) was I missing? -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: PDS searches

2013-04-30 Thread Steve Comstock
On 4/30/2013 6:48 AM, Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4) wrote: Create a workplace list and use the 'sf' line command. I didn't know about the sf line command. I'm using the SRCHFOR *primary* command in either a 3.4 or workplace data set list, or in a member list. Runs through all the data sets or

Re: PDS searches

2013-04-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 517efd90.8050...@aim.com, on 04/29/2013 at 05:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: (I bet one of our regular contributors wishes for regular expressions.) Of course! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't

Re: PDS searches

2013-04-30 Thread Lizette Koehler
If you search on ISPF Hidden Treasures and New Features In Google (or other engine) you should find the Share proceedings by this title. Peter Van Dyke gave this presentation a few times and it covers a lot of the Hidden functions in ISPF. It is a good place to start Lizette -Original

Re: Linear search vs. Binary search (was: Assembler code)

2013-04-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ofd1484f42.6be3b89a-on85257b5c.007e856a-85257b5c.007f3...@tsys.tss.net, on 04/29/2013 at 07:09 PM, Kirk Talman rkueb...@tsys.com said: I was given at one point the Assembler source of the fast Fourier transform, which I wanted to port to the 360. I had to read the 94 PoOp several times

Re: Run a REXX from JCL stream

2013-04-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0DA8183E177E484CA79B421C02D26788@graham, on 04/29/2013 at 10:06 PM, Graham Hobbs gho...@cdpwise.net said: At a guess, how many COBOL/CICS developers have ever heard of IKJEFT01? At a guess, 10,000. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

Re: Easy way to check whether a job is still running (without using TSO)

2013-04-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 7834089630400673.wa.aruddtonline...@listserv.ua.edu, on 04/30/2013 at 06:37 AM, Anthony Rudd ar...@t-online.de said: Is there an easy way to check whether a previously submitted job is still running (without using TSO)? Check from where? Console? Authorized program? Unauthorized program? I

Re: Easy way to check whether a job is still running (without using TSO)

2013-04-30 Thread John McKown
Around here, there is the ever popular option of yelling over the cube wall to another programmer: I'm not on TSO, is ... still running? On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: In 7834089630400673.wa.aruddtonline...@listserv.ua.edu, on

Re: Run a REXX from JCL stream

2013-04-30 Thread Thomas Conley
On 4/30/2013 8:45 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:27:28 +0200, Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4) wrote: To run a REXX from any sequential data set, code: EX 'your.rexx.ps.data.set' And to be complete, to run a REXX from any member in any PDS (not necessarily allocated to //SYSEXEC

Re: Easy way to check whether a job is still running (without using TSO)

2013-04-30 Thread Lizette Koehler
Do you want to check from a PC up to the mainframe if a job is running? From Linux, From Unix, from Solaris? What are you trying to do? If you could provide more context, better answers might be given. But what has been proposed based on very little information is adequate. Lizette

Re: Assembler code

2013-04-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Hi. Could someone let me know what the below assembler code is doing? Turning my stomache. LOL! Do you have the stomach to read that code snippet? ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht --

Re: Run a REXX from JCL stream

2013-04-30 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Hey! I resemble that remark! Seriously, I think you denigrate application programmers with remarks like that. We are not dumb coding robots with no experiences outside of our COBOL shell. *Some* of us are even experts in assembler as well as COBOL as well as C as well as linux tool chains

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-04-30 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-04-30 18:33, Anthony Rudd pisze: I am sorry that I was too imprecise. I need a programmed solution, prefererably called from REXX (IRXJCL). The situation: I have submitted as batch job (possibly long running). In a separate batch job, I need to wait until the first job has

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-04-30 Thread Sri h Kolusu
Why bother checking periodically if the job has completed when you can simply add a step at the end of the first job to submit the next job. //LASTSTEP EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSTSIN DD * SUB 'MY.JOB.PDS(my next job)' //* Kolusu IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-04-30 Thread Kirk Talman
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU wrote on 04/30/2013 12:33:19 PM: From: Anthony Rudd ar...@t-online.de I am sorry that I was too imprecise. I need a programmed solution, prefererably called from REXX (IRXJCL). The situation: I have submitted as batch job (possibly

SMP/E CSECT Deletes and Binder STORENX

2013-04-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
Trying to understand some astonishing behavior, in: Title: SMP/E V3R6.0 for z/OS V1R13.0 Commands Document Number: SA22-7771-15 3.0 Chapter 3. The APPLY command 3.7.5 Element installation 3.7.5.8 Module replacements I read: o If SMP/E has determined

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-04-30 Thread John McKown
But doing an allocate of the DISP=OLD will succeed if the job has not even started yet. Perhaps the final step should allocate a DISP=(NEW,CATLG,CATLG) and run with a COND=EVEN of a unique data set name. The REXX script could generate one by using the DATE() and TIME() functions to create

Re: Linear search vs. Binary search

2013-04-30 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: It may be true for simulation of the S/370 on Intel, but a real 370/168 handled it in the I-unit. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#65 Linear search vs. Binary search high-end machines were horizontal microcode with lots of

Another thought on JCL - more lower case support.

2013-04-30 Thread John McKown
z/OS seems to be transitioning more towards using lower case in addition to upper case. One area in which it affects me is when the ISPF editor automagically switches to upper/lower case support and I forget to type in UPPER CASE when I do things like a CHANGE command. Yes, this is my fault due to

Re: Another thought on JCL - more lower case support.

2013-04-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
John McKown wrote: z/OS seems to be transitioning more towards using lower case in addition to upper case. Where? ;-) Please give Examples - short and sweet please... ;-) One area in which it affects me is when the ISPF editor automagically switches to upper/lower case support and I forget

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-04-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Kirk Talman wrote: Bless your heart for supplying an Assembler example. Thanks! I have seen this done in Cobol, bless their hearts. I assume it can be done in any HLL. True. Mark Zelden, bless his heart, wrote something like that in REXX where he used ASVENTY to grab ASIDs. Check his site

TNLs (Was: PDS searches)

2013-04-30 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 4/30/2013 6:00 AM, Steve Comstock wrote: ... spend some time perusing the docs each time a new release comes out. It seems that most people are too busy these days to read the Release Information books. Some folks still only use commands they learned in the 1980s. One good thing about

Re: TNLs (Was: PDS searches)

2013-04-30 Thread Steve Comstock
On 4/30/2013 1:17 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 4/30/2013 6:00 AM, Steve Comstock wrote: ... spend some time perusing the docs each time a new release comes out. It seems that most people are too busy these days to read the Release Information books. Some folks still only use commands they learned

Re: TNLs (Was: PDS searches)

2013-04-30 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:17:13 -0700, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: On 4/30/2013 6:00 AM, Steve Comstock wrote: ... spend some time perusing the docs each time a new release comes out. It seems that most people are too busy these days to read the Release Information books. Some

Re: Another thought on JCL - more lower case support.

2013-04-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:27:40 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: z/OS seems to be transitioning more towards using lower case in addition to upper case. Where? ;-) Please give Examples - short and sweet please... ;-) Binder. HLASM. But I have considerable disagreement with Binder's making

Re: Run a REXX from JCL stream

2013-04-30 Thread Steve Thompson
From: John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com Date: 04/30/2013 11:19 AM snippage IF condition THEN STATEMENT END-IF and I usually only put a single period in a paragraph, as the last line in the paragraph. Everything else is delimited with END-verb. I never use NEXT SENTENCE any more.

Re: TNLs (Was: PDS searches)

2013-04-30 Thread John McKown
Thinking of this, I I think that it would be nice to get a diff of a well formed plain text type document. OK, what I really want is plain text in a markup format. And have it be available via a git repository. What this would get us is a log of the changes which we could track over time.git is

Re: Run a REXX from JCL stream

2013-04-30 Thread Scott Ford
Steve, I usually do paragraph thru paragraph name-exit. Unfortunately I am also writing in C and Assemblerhard to remember which is which. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 30, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Steve Thompson

Re: Another thought on JCL - more lower case support.

2013-04-30 Thread Scott Ford
C and Cobol with longnames and DLL support and ability to call java Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 30, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:27:40 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:

Compile COBOL/CICS pgms on z/OS problem

2013-04-30 Thread Graham Hobbs
Hello, Back again. Am at Dallas IIC z/OS, compiling a dozen COBOL/CICS pgms all having a SIZE problem. The following JCL almost worked without SIZE: //ACICSP01 JOB (CONRAD-C),'IBMUSE2',CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=0,MSGLEVEL=(1,1) //MYLIBS JCLLIB ORDER=(DFH420.CICS.SDFHPROC)

Re: Compile COBOL/CICS pgms on z/OS problem

2013-04-30 Thread Scott Ford
What's the length of your parm ? No more than 100 bytes Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Graham Hobbs gho...@cdpwise.net wrote: Hello, Back again. Am at Dallas IIC z/OS, compiling a dozen COBOL/CICS pgms all

Re: Compile COBOL/CICS pgms on z/OS problem

2013-04-30 Thread Frank Swarbrick
The SIZE parm needs to be specified on the PARM for the EXEC PGM=IGYCRCTL, ie: //COMPILE EXEC PGM=IGYCRCTL,PARM='SIZE(16384K)' From: Graham Hobbs gho...@cdpwise.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: Compile

Re: Compile COBOL/CICS pgms on z/OS problem

2013-04-30 Thread Paul Strauss
Make a copy of the PROC in a JCL library you allocate on your TSO ID. Change the ORDER statement to point to that. Hard code all those overrides in the new PROC and leave then out of your JCL. In the PROC code PARM=(SIZE=4000K) like you had below. You didn't specify your region. Put