Check out BBC - History - Bletchley Park (pictures, video, facts & news)

2013-05-03 Thread Ed Finnell
_BBC - History - Bletchley Park (pictures, video, facts & news)_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/places/bletchley_park) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu wi

Re: GTF IHL007I Terminating on Error

2013-05-03 Thread Jim Mulder
>Is there any chance that the Monitor Call interface in z/OS will be >documented and GUPI in z/OS V2.1? If not, then when (approximately)? The Monitor Call interface remains undocumented in z/OS V2.1, and there are currently no plans to document it. The macro for invoking the services is PL/

Re: OE Historical article re: Mainframes

2013-05-03 Thread J. Leslie Turriff
On 2013-05-03 18:24:07 Phil Smith wrote: > http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/508-mainframe-computer-history.htm >l > > It's an irritating slideshow, with captions cut off until you click "see > more" for each, but at a quick glance it's not too bad. Though it does omit > Future System! > > T

Re: Historical article re: Mainframes

2013-05-03 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 5/3/2013 7:24 PM, Phil Smith wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/508-mainframe-computer-history.html It's an irritating slideshow, with captions cut off until you click "see more" for each, but at a quick glance it's not too bad. Though it does omit Future System! You may have

Re: Historical article re: Mainframes

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Schwab
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Phil Smith wrote: > http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/508-mainframe-computer-history.html > > It's an irritating slideshow, with captions cut off until you click "see > more" for each, but at a quick glance it's not too bad. Though it does omit > Future Sys

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Joel C. Ewing
But that "K=1024" usage was ONLY because in the context of Assembler coding you were dealing with processor memory addresses in hardware instructions, and memory on the S/360 (and its successors) was addressed by binary values of 24 bits (later 31 bits). So the S/360 PoOp and ASM manuals, only

Historical article re: Mainframes

2013-05-03 Thread Phil Smith
http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/508-mainframe-computer-history.html It's an irritating slideshow, with captions cut off until you click "see more" for each, but at a quick glance it's not too bad. Though it does omit Future System! Thanks to a cow-orker. And apologies if this was alrea

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Scott Ford
That would be nice ... Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On May 3, 2013, at 6:51 PM, J R wrote: > And, if you were offered a job that paid $100K, would you expect to receive > $102,400? > > = > = >> Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 18:08:28 -0400

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread J R
And, if you were offered a job that paid $100K, would you expect to receive $102,400? = = > Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 18:08:28 -0400 > From: scott_j_f...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation? > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Shmuel, > > I always used K, with t

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Schwab
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > Shmuel, > > I always used K, with the understanding it was 1024 ...if you write assembler > a base register used to cover 4K ,,4096 bytes it's all through IBM > manuals as far as I know ...unless your doing baseless. > 1 KM (kilometers)

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Schwab
When you build a memory chip, the input is X number of address bits, and you have to return 2 ** X number of unique storage bytes. If the next chip will allow 1 more bit, you have to hold twice as many storage locations. So memory chips *MUST* be a multiple of 2. Examples are 10 address bits, 1,0

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Scott Ford
Shmuel, I always used K, with the understanding it was 1024 ...if you write assembler a base register used to cover 4K ,,4096 bytes it's all through IBM manuals as far as I know ...unless your doing baseless. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infini

2013 VM Workshop, Tentative Session List (i.e. speakers may cancel, and other speakers may appear)

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Walter
Cross-posted to the IBMVM, Linux-390, and IBM-MAIN discussion lists. Tentative Session List because speakers may cancel, and other speakers may volunteer; nothing different than any conference. So you're the one who's been sitting on the fence while trying to decide whether to come down on the

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Schwab
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > In <51832b68.3090...@acm.org>, on 05/02/2013 >at 10:13 PM, "Joel C. Ewing" said: > <> >> PC folks didn't understand those >>conventions and made things even more confused by ambiguously using >>the "1024" definition in inapp

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
IMHO xxbi scaled notation makes little sense except in the context of things that have a close relationship to integral powers of 2. It might be accurate to say "my annual salary is 65.37 kibibucks (Ki$ ?)" but it is hardly illuminating. Charles Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Kirk Talman
I am curious. I know and understand that 1234567 = 1234.567K = 1.234567M But is the notation such that 1234567 = 1205.657Ki? And how would one write the Mi value to as many places? And how are fractional parts handled in "binary" notation? The link below did not say. And the example about 1

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <0b9601ce47ec$c6518bd0$52f4a370$@mcn.org>, on 05/03/2013 at 06:55 AM, Charles Mills said: >Might I humbly observe that some people here are more fond of >posting their favorite answer than of reading the question? You might, but it might be more useful to note that some people here are mo

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <51832b68.3090...@acm.org>, on 05/02/2013 at 10:13 PM, "Joel C. Ewing" said: >The "correct" meaning of "K" (kilo) from its Greek origins was >"1000". But, even before the PC weenies took over, "K" was used >ambiguously in the computer industry and required one to understand >the context

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <02c2a028-a177-4b92-b4d8-ac2f2d2f2...@yahoo.com>, on 05/02/2013 at 09:16 PM, Scott Ford said: >Ok guys ..I understand the science here but I learned a K = 1024 >bytes Back in the 1960's people who used K when they meant 1024 unsderstood that they were misusing it. In the same epoch I also

Re: "as" OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-03 Thread Kirk Wolf
FWIW, when I'm using the z/OS Unix shell, I usually set: export _BPXK_JOBLOG=STDERR -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: "as" OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-03 Thread Scott Ford
Shmuel exactly my point also...the output is sitting in a file someplace Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On May 3, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" wrote: > In <6536410290697005.wa.e.thijssechello...@listserv.ua.edu>, on > 05

Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1679697450-1367553714-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-195196643-@b12.c1.bise6.blackberry>, on 05/03/2013 at 04:01 AM, Ted MacNEIL said: >Sorry. >No insult intended. >But, you've been z/OS for what 3 years? Perhaps, but he's still correct. >How would you feel if a bunch of MVS'

Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <5182df40.4090...@phoenixsoftware.com>, on 05/02/2013 at 02:48 PM, Ed Jaffe said: >I'm still astonished at the number of installations and software > products from IBM in 2013 that continue to institutionalize this >obsolete use of job names to identify ownership of a job. Google for "pav

Re: "as" OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <6536410290697005.wa.e.thijssechello...@listserv.ua.edu>, on 05/03/2013 at 07:36 AM, Etienne Thijsse said: >Nothing that seems related... some OPERATOR NOW ACTIVE/INACTIVE >lines, D OMVS,PID=584 >D OMVS,PID=584 >D OMVS,PID=584 >D OMVS,PID=1686 That looks like the system log, not the me

Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-03 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I never said it was always done that way so keep it that way. The problem is the number of people/processes/procedures arr dependent on the way things work. Even a 'trivial' change costs (at least) an investment in work effort. Also, 'because it is old-fashioned' doesn't make it wrong. - Ted Mac

Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-03 Thread John McKown
The only "plus" that I know of in starting a programmer's jobs with their TSO id is the fact that the SDSF "H" display defaults to only displaying jobs with those types of names. This avoids the need for a PREFIX command or a FILTER. Now, since I don't do this job name stuff, I must remember to fir

Re: "as" OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-03 Thread Scott Ford
Etienne. If this program was Assembled on USS ..Unix System Services ..there should be an output file on disk from the assemble and bind Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On May 3, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Etienne Thijsse wrote: > Nothing th

Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-03 Thread Frank Swarbrick
If their way was better (and I've found some MVS processes to be better; I'm no "VSE lover") I would look in to changing it.  Just because something "has always been done this way" doesn't mean it's better and should not be changed.  In all of this discussion of MVS job names I have yet to hear

DFSRPPC0 required parameters for INIT?

2013-05-03 Thread Etienne Thijsse
Hi all, Does anyone know what the "required parameters" are for the INIT call of DFSPRRC0? The documentation (IMS System Programming APIs Reference, chapter 9) only mentions the "optional parameters": In addition to the required parameters of INIT PAPL, the optional parameters include:

Re: GTF IHL007I Terminating on Error

2013-05-03 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Is there any chance that the Monitor Call interface in z/OS will be documented and GUPI in z/OS V2.1? If not, then when (approximately)? Similar questions: Will the TRAP2/4 hardware mechanism have a documented and GUPI interface in z/OS V2.1 or subsequent? If not, then when (approximately)? P

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Scott Ford
Charles, Our absolutely right...a lot of mis impressions in this industry ...and lately because of the Net ..there seems to be a lot of no rtfm Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On May 3, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Charles Mills wrote: > Canonica

Re: "as" OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-03 Thread Etienne Thijsse
Nothing that seems related... some OPERATOR NOW ACTIVE/INACTIVE lines, D OMVS,PID=584 D OMVS,PID=584 D OMVS,PID=584 D OMVS,PID=1686 that's it. Thanks, Etienne On Thu, 2 May 2013 17:06:36 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >In <2588149503609564.wa.e.thijssechello...@listserv.ua.edu>, o

Positive article on older programmers.

2013-05-03 Thread John McKown
>From "Vulture Central" in the UK http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/02/older_programmers_skills_research/ he Stack Overflow data showed that, contrary to received wisdom, veteran coders are just as able as young pups to adopt new programming languages, and in some cases they enjoy an advantag

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-03 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-05-02 23:48, Ed Gould pisze: On May 2, 2013, at 3:39 PM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2013-05-02 21:34, Ed Gould pisze: Radoslaw: My My you must never have worked in the US have you? Ed, You must never have worked in Croatia, have you? And now, please be so kind and explain your point. B

Re: OT - What is the proper term for "K" notation?

2013-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
Canonical! I like it: 3. authorized; recognized; accepted. 4. (of a mathematical equation, coordinate, etc.) in simplest or standard form. -- http://www.thefreedictionary.com/canonical INTFMT(CANON|SCALED) Thanks everyone for your help. Some more helpful than others. Might I humbly observe tha

Re: ALL IS FINE : SEEING POSTS AGAIN

2013-05-03 Thread John Dawes
That's what I have been doing.  I was wondering if there is a way of seleting all the entries in the INBOX and deleting them.  Somthing like deleting a folder. From: Mike Schwab To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2013 5:50 PM Subject: Re: ALL