I am somewhat at a loss to understand how some of the problems you are
detailing happened. The only way it could have would be with an ill behaving
user written program or process.
Any utility needs to read all 5 stripes in unison (my description, not a
technical description), not volume by
With the exception of DISP=MOD with multiple open/writes and that the last
block will always be, I don't see the difference between FB and FBS. How would
FB create a short block in the middle?
Jon Perryman
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On 12/8/2013 8:58 AM, Jon Perryman wrote:
With the exception of DISP=MOD with multiple open/writes and that the last
block will always be, I don't see the difference between FB and FBS. How would
FB create a short block in the middle?
Well, except for DISP=MOD, it won't: it is a DSIP=MOD
I am somewhat at a loss to understand how some of the problems you are
detailing happened. The only way it could have would be with an ill behaving
user written program or process.
If I remember this correctly (and I am on shaky ground here), sadump writes a
'special striping', understood
This may be an iffy one.But I'll throw it out for discussion (and if
nobody wants to discuss, then I have my answer).
I have an automount directory at /tmp2 . For a UNIX shell, I set all the
TMPxxx type environment variables to /tmp2/SYSUID. This makes the
default temporary UNIX subdirectory for
Barbara's explanation of what happened is entirely clear. The answer
to John Perryman's question
begin extract
With the exception of DISP=MOD with multiple open/writes and that the
last block will always be, I don't see the difference between FB and
FBS. How would FB create a short block in the
John,
What about removing the subdirectory ? I would assume like a br14
mod,delete,delete...
Dynamic creation also would be nice somehow
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:34 AM, John McKown
Sorry Barbara, I forgot about SADUMP. I wonder, does the same problem exist
with a console dump or a SYSMDUMP?
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It is a pet peeve of mine. People use hex sloppily to mean binary (what I
think IBM means in your example) or non-printable (does it look like a DD
name? Nyah, it's a bunch of hex.).
Hex is not a kind of data. It is a convenient way of representing data. X'F1'
is a clearer image in most cases
Agree. I have not checked, but will bat this is really a full word integer
binary number.
On Dec 8, 2013 11:43 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote:
It is a pet peeve of mine. People use hex sloppily to mean binary
(what I think IBM means in your example) or non-printable (does it look
On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:34:37 -0600, John McKown wrote:
The problem is that there is no way to dynamically create a subdirectory
via JCL. So I was thinking that a new PATHOPTS might be useful. Something
like O_MKDIR which would tell the initiator to do the equivalent of a
mkdir -p
Charles Mills wrote
| Hex is not a kind of data.
and I think we all sympathize with the point he is making. There is,
however, some real hexadecimal data around, beginning with its use in
IBM 7090 channel programming. For the System/360 and its sequelæ the
exponent of an HFP number is
On 12/8/2013 12:52 PM, John McKown wrote:
Agree. I have not checked, but will bat this is really a full word integer
binary number.
Minor nit - DD= specifies a halfword.
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On 13Dec08:0942-0800, Charles Mills wrote:
It is a pet peeve of mine. People use hex sloppily
to mean binary (what I think IBM means in your
example) or non-printable (does it look like a DD
name? Nyah, it's a bunch of hex.).
Hex is not a kind of data. It is a convenient way of
Huh .maybe you should back to computer basics ...at machine level
everything is binary
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:44 PM, David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com wrote:
On 13Dec08:0942-0800, Charles Mills wrote:
So , hexadecimal is not the same EBCDIC ?
From: David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: hexadecimal?
On 13Dec08:0942-0800, Charles Mills wrote:
It is a pet peeve of mine. People use
Hexadecimal is a readable system for binary, if the hex characters are not
numbers per se they are EBCDIC...that's been since I wrote BAL on s360/20
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Warren Brown war...@att.net
Circuits talk 1s and 0s ...not hex
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hexadecimal is a readable system for binary, if the hex characters are not
numbers per se they
Gil,
Yep, that's would be great to do
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:34:37 -0600, John McKown wrote:
The problem is that there is no way
On 13Dec08:1352-0500, Scott Ford wrote:
Huh .maybe you should back to computer basics
...at machine level everything is binary
Scott ford
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You, sir, are the one who needs to go back--specifically
to zPOPs page 9-3:
: Hexadecimal-Floating-Point (HFP)
What do circuits work in ...
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 2:07 PM, David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com wrote:
On 13Dec08:1352-0500, Scott Ford wrote:
Huh .maybe you should back to computer basics
On 13Dec08:1428-0500, Scott Ford wrote:
What do circuits work in ...
Sigh... I suggest you discuss it with Gene Amdahl, not me.
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In 20131208075537.8d8d814dcc2cd889368c0...@gmx.net, on 12/08/2013
at 07:55 AM, nitz-...@gmx.net nitz-...@gmx.net said:
Yes, however FBS stands for Fixed Block Standard, not Spanned.
Exactly. And the last record in an FBS data set can be short,
i.e. less than lrecl.
ITYM i.e., less than
Then suggest you don't come out guns blazing , unless they are loaded, because
you don't have a clue
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 2:35 PM, David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com wrote:
On 13Dec08:1428-0500, Scott Ford
Btw this isn't a Amdahl forum, it's IBM...
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
Then suggest you don't come out guns blazing , unless they are loaded,
because you don't
On 12/08/2013 08:07 PM, David L. Craig wrote:
On 13Dec08:1352-0500, Scott Ford wrote:
Huh .maybe you should back to computer basics
...at machine level everything is binary
You, sir, are the one who needs to go back--specifically
to zPOPs page 9-3:
please :-)
- look into wikipedia
Amdahl was the main architect of the S/360. So I guess we can mention him
on occasion.
On Dec 8, 2013 1:41 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
Btw this isn't a Amdahl forum, it's IBM...
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On
Sleigh bells ring...We had an ol' V8 in the basement that only did SWIFT.
It queued the requests until it got to a billion then would do the transfer.
We'd get the float on the interim. Good solid revenue producer. Then one
day it 'thermalled'. They had boxes and boxes of components trucked
At 10:55 -0800 on 12/08/2013, Warren Brown wrote about Re: hexadecimal?:
So , hexadecimal is not the same EBCDIC ?
Data in the computer is stored in 8-bit long bytes. Hex is a way of
displaying the contents of the bytes as two characters representing
the value of the first and second set of
John,
I agree but you can't compare apples and oranges ...right ? I don't know that
much about Amdahl nor am I trying give the Gentleman a hard time. But
hexadecimal, excuse me?
Circuits work with 1s and 0s and Assembler, Cobol, etc translate into machine
code which is binary .maybe I am
Ah, my mistake. Digital (binary) computers do deal in 0s and 1s. Analog
computers did not, but that's all I know about them.
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The system/360 and its mainframe successors are largely binary
machines. In particular, addressing is entirely binary. They can,
however, do both decimal and hexadecimal arithmetic in some situations
too.
All this can be reduced to boolean algebra and, finally, to assorted
configurations of
John,
I understand the z/arch somewhat, I stepped out of the hardware arena many
moons ago, my father was involved with hardware at Unisys. I was taught every
converted down to its lowest common factor, binary..are you saying otherwise ?
You comments I understand somewhat but I am a practical
On 13Dec08:0942-0800, Charles Mills wrote:
Hex is not a kind of data. It is a convenient way of
representing data. X'F1' is a clearer image in most
cases than 0001 or 241. All data is potentially
hex; that is, is representable in hex. That's the
beauty of hex.
This is the paragraph I
David:
I don't know what your profession is , but in 40+ yrs and about 20+ shops, many
in the NYC area and very very aggressive with their applications, including
z/OS, VM and VSE , I never ever had to worry about it ..Give me an example of
such a concern ?
BTW I have been commercially
On 13Dec08:1647-0500, Scott Ford wrote:
On Dec 8, 2013, at 4:39 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
The system/360 and its mainframe successors are largely binary
machines. In particular, addressing is entirely binary. They can,
however, do both decimal and hexadecimal
On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 18:01:01 -0500, David L. Craig wrote:
Boolean algebra is a mathematics based upon variables
that can take on only two possible values. IIRC, the
Soviets were rumored to have probed the attributes
of trinary-state computing in the '60s or '70s and
discontinued the research, but
_Ternary flip-flap-flop_
(http://www.goldenmuseum.com/1411FlipFlap_engl.html)
This is pretty old stuff. Think the advantages were canceled out by
'indeterminate' states. Some of the new quantum stuff has similar
possibilities.
On 13Dec08:1449-0800, Scott Ford wrote:
I don't know what your profession is , but in 40+
yrs and about 20+ shops, many in the NYC area and very
very aggressive with their applications, including
z/OS, VM and VSE , I never ever had to worry about it
..Give me an example of such a concern ?
David,
For one I am not trying to bust your chops as we say up here in the Northeast.
But remember we are all products of school and experience. Because I haven't
seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But I have the experience of ppl making
off the wall comments with no knowledge or
On 13Dec08:1717-0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 18:01:01 -0500, David L. Craig wrote:
Boolean algebra is a mathematics based upon variables
that can take on only two possible values. IIRC, the
Soviets were rumored to have probed the attributes
of trinary-state computing in
dlc@gmail.com (David L. Craig) writes:
GINYF when it doesn't equate trinary with trenary, a term
I had forgotten (I'm really trying to avoid turning this
thread into a career). At least it wasn't just a rumor.
+1 and thanks for causing me to be reminded of Minerva--
perhaps someday
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#5 Something to Think About - Optimal PDS
Blocking
original RAID patent from 1978 was by somebody in the san jose disk
group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
... whom I actually worked with some when they let me play disk engineer
in bldgs 1415
On 12/08/2013 12:24 PM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
On 12/8/2013 12:52 PM, John McKown wrote:
Agree. I have not checked, but will bat this is really a full word
integer
binary number.
Minor nit - DD= specifies a halfword.
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, Vermont
Which perfectly makes the
On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:01:20 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
If the real requirement is that the parameter address must point to a
location containing what the PoOp describes as a half-word binary value,
then the manual should state precisely that.
Thanks for bringing this thread back to my original
On 12/08/2013 05:23 PM, Ed Finnell wrote:
_Ternary flip-flap-flop_
(http://www.goldenmuseum.com/1411FlipFlap_engl.html)
This is pretty old stuff. Think the advantages were canceled out by
'indeterminate' states. Some of the new quantum stuff has similar
possibilities.
The Soviet
On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:58:27 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
On 12/08/2013 05:23 PM, Ed Finnell wrote:
_Ternary flip-flap-flop_
(http://www.goldenmuseum.com/1411FlipFlap_engl.html)
This is pretty old stuff. Think the advantages were canceled out by
'indeterminate' states. Some of the new quantum
Think standalone dump written striped to - say - 5 volumes. Each
volume has a data set in format FBS, but only one of the volumes can
have a short record. SAdump knows that, and IPCS knows it, too. The
utilities don't. So assume that you took a complete sadump to 5
volumes and the sort
Quantum computing is here. These people are already selling quantum mainframes
with humungous capabilities to the government and industry (e.g. Google, NASA,
Lockheed Martin):http://www.dwavesys.com/Nothing wrong with revisiting what we
learned in school. The D-Wave people should give going
http://ternary.3neko.ru/publications/setun70.pdf
In Russian, but google translate does a fair job.
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On 12/8/2013 3:54 PM, Scott Ford wrote:
Circuits work with 1s and 0s and Assembler, Cobol, etc translate into
machine code which is binary
Computers, depending on architecture, have components that process
signals in parallel. For example, the old I/O hardware sent 8-bits (plus
parity)
SAdump never writes short blocks. When it wants to write a block
which is not full, it pads the block with dummy records (which IPCS
knows to ignore).
Then I don't understand why the utility used produced a copy significantly
smaller than the full dump. Once it was initialized on the full
To my mind quad made more sense than tri. But as others have said the game
moved on.
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