z/OS 2.2 install - racf question.

[Mark Pace]

In the past when installing a new z/OS - I've always skipped the part that
says to Create or Update ICHRDNST.  Instead I have copied ICHRIN03 to the
new SYS1.LPALIB

I've since forgotten why I do this.  So I did some research and found that
I probably should have converted my ICHRIN03 to STARTED procedures.  I
found the sample to run and ended up with this output.

SETR
GENERIC(STARTED)

*RDEFINE STARTED ** STDATA( USER(=MEMBER) GROUP(STCGRP) PRIVILEGED(NO)
TRUSTED(NO) TRACE(YES) ) *
SETROPTS CLASSACT(STARTED)
RACLIST(STARTED)
SETROPTS RACLIST(STARTED)
REFRESH

That RDEFINE does not look right to me.  USER=(=MEMBER)  is that possibly
correct?



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Re: z/OS 2.2 install - racf question.

[Mark Pace]

Thank you.  I noted in a listing of STARTED tasks I had ** with a user of
IBMUSER.  I updated it to be =MEMBER.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al)  wrote:

> Short Answer: Yes.
> From "z/OS Security Server RACF Command Language Reference" (both z/OS
> 1.13 & z/OS 2.02 versions)
>
> USER(=MEMBER)
> Specifies that the procedure name should be used as the user ID. If
> =MEMBER is specified for USER, a group-name value should be specified for
> the GROUP operand. If =MEMBER is specified for both USER and GROUP, a
> warning message is issued and problems might result when the profile is
> used. For information, see z/OS Security Server RACF System Programmer's
> Guide.
>
> And to further muddle things up:
> GROUP(=MEMBER)
> Specifies that the procedure name should be used as the group name.  If
> =MEMBER is specified for GROUP, a userid value must be specified for the
> USER operand or RACF uses the started procedures table to assign an
> identity for this started task. If =MEMBER is specified for both USER and
> GROUP, a warning message is issued and problems might result when the
> profile is used. For information, see z/OS Security Server RACF System
> Programmer's Guide.
>
> Is an option on the RDEFINE command.
>
> Al Nims
> Systems Admin/Programmer 3
> EI
> University of Florida
> (352) 273-1298
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Mark Pace
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 3:32 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: z/OS 2.2 install - racf question.
>
> In the past when installing a new z/OS - I've always skipped the part that
> says to Create or Update ICHRDNST.  Instead I have copied ICHRIN03 to the
> new SYS1.LPALIB
>
> I've since forgotten why I do this.  So I did some research and found that
> I probably should have converted my ICHRIN03 to STARTED procedures.  I
> found the sample to run and ended up with this output.
>
> SETR
> GENERIC(STARTED)
>
> *RDEFINE STARTED ** STDATA( USER(=MEMBER) GROUP(STCGRP) PRIVILEGED(NO)
> TRUSTED(NO) TRACE(YES) ) *
> SETROPTS CLASSACT(STARTED)
> RACLIST(STARTED)
> SETROPTS RACLIST(STARTED)
> REFRESH
>
> That RDEFINE does not look right to me.  USER=(=MEMBER)  is that possibly
> correct?
>
>
>
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AW: Re: AW: PL/I and optional parameters

[Peter Hunkeler]

> The earlier post by Peter Hunkeler was referring to the LIST attribute of 
> ENTRY, described here:
> http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IBM3LR60/6.10.5


Yep, this is what I referred to.


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Re: z/OS 2.2 install - racf question.

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

Short Answer: Yes.
From "z/OS Security Server RACF Command Language Reference" (both z/OS 1.13 & 
z/OS 2.02 versions)

USER(=MEMBER)
Specifies that the procedure name should be used as the user ID. If =MEMBER is 
specified for USER, a group-name value should be specified for the GROUP 
operand. If =MEMBER is specified for both USER and GROUP, a warning message is 
issued and problems might result when the profile is used. For information, see 
z/OS Security Server RACF System Programmer's Guide.

And to further muddle things up:
GROUP(=MEMBER)
Specifies that the procedure name should be used as the group name.  If =MEMBER 
is specified for GROUP, a userid value must be specified for the USER operand 
or RACF uses the started procedures table to assign an identity for this 
started task. If =MEMBER is specified for both USER and GROUP, a warning 
message is issued and problems might result when the profile is used. For 
information, see z/OS Security Server RACF System Programmer's Guide.

Is an option on the RDEFINE command.

Al Nims
Systems Admin/Programmer 3
EI
University of Florida
(352) 273-1298

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Of Mark Pace
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 3:32 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: z/OS 2.2 install - racf question.

In the past when installing a new z/OS - I've always skipped the part that says 
to Create or Update ICHRDNST.  Instead I have copied ICHRIN03 to the new 
SYS1.LPALIB

I've since forgotten why I do this.  So I did some research and found that I 
probably should have converted my ICHRIN03 to STARTED procedures.  I found the 
sample to run and ended up with this output.

SETR
GENERIC(STARTED)

*RDEFINE STARTED ** STDATA( USER(=MEMBER) GROUP(STCGRP) PRIVILEGED(NO)
TRUSTED(NO) TRACE(YES) ) *
SETROPTS CLASSACT(STARTED)
RACLIST(STARTED)
SETROPTS RACLIST(STARTED)
REFRESH

That RDEFINE does not look right to me.  USER=(=MEMBER)  is that possibly 
correct?



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Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

[Dave Barry]

It happens that certain CSA allocations are not really orphans; they're more 
like emancipated minors.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:20 PM
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Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

One the best sysprogs I know attempted to free some storage SQA / CSA due to a 
creeping storage condition.  There was a shory pause followed by some 
expletives and an immediate IPL of the system.  I wouldn't attempt it on any 
system I cared about unless it was to attempt to avoid an impending IPL.

Rob Schramm

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, 10:47 AM Martin Packer 
wrote:

> Right. And coming to this late...
>
> SMF 78-2 has all the numbers you'd usually need on this. My standard 
> reporting generates useful stuff on this - but generally I don't bore 
> my customers with it. If it's exciting, however, ... :-)
>
> Quite often I see SQA oversized leaving unusable 24- or 31-bit SQA. 
> (Also oversized CSA, but that's a different matter.)
>
> Cheers, Martin
>
> Martin Packer,
> zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Cloud & Systems 
> Performance, IBM
>
> +44-7802-245-584
>
> email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com
>
> Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker
> Blog:
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker
>
>
>
> From:   Peter Relson 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date:   31/10/2015 13:56
> Subject:Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL
> Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
>
>
> >Remember that CSA and ECSA can overflow to SQA and ESQA, so you have 
> >more air in you (E)CSA than the 2% and 3% and this might help you 
> >survive until the next scheduled IPL.
>
> Actually, it's the other way around, as I think of it.
>
> CSA can be converted into SQA. If a request to obtain storage from SQA 
> cannot find it from the defined SQA, the system may convert CSA to 
> satisfy
>
> the request.
>
> It will not do the reverse.
>
> This is why some customers will underconfigure SQA and overconfigure CSA.
>
> Peter Relson
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Re: SRB And Enclave SRB

[Dave Barry]

See John Arwe's seminal work on the subject described at 
ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/s390/zos/wlm/WLMpresrb.pdf. 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 1:39 PM
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Subject: SRB And Enclave SRB

Hi

Can someone on the list point me to where I might find the differences between 
the above two


Thanks

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Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

[Shane Ginnane]

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:16:42 -0800, Steve Beaver wrote:

>... the system will survive without your intervention,

s/will/may/

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Re: z/OS 2.2 install - racf question.

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Mark Pace wrote:

>Thank you.  I noted in a listing of STARTED tasks I had ** with a user of 
>IBMUSER.  I updated it to be =MEMBER.

Both you and Alva Nims are of course correct. I do not see any problem with 
that.

But I prefer to use an id, say STCUSR as user and its group, say STCGROUP. That 
id is RESTRICTED + PROTECTED + REVOKED and both id and group do not have any 
access to what ever profiles there are including no segments whatever.

That is set up in both the member and STARTED class.

This is simply to force my colleagues and clients to declare any new STCs to 
the RACF team, so their systems can be protected properly.

So, no warning as per Alva's description, but outright failure.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

[Steve Beaver]

Moral or the story -- Unless it's your own private/personal test LPAR, the 
system will survive without your intervention,
With your intervention; it takes time to get down as gracefully as possible and 
not so long to get back in flight.  
It will take longer to explain what you were doing and it will be very painful  

-Original Message-
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Of Dave Barry
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 4:03 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

It happens that certain CSA allocations are not really orphans; they're more 
like emancipated minors.

-Original Message-
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Of Rob Schramm
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:20 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

One the best sysprogs I know attempted to free some storage SQA / CSA due to a 
creeping storage condition.  There was a shory pause followed by some 
expletives and an immediate IPL of the system.  I wouldn't attempt it on any 
system I cared about unless it was to attempt to avoid an impending IPL.

Rob Schramm

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, 10:47 AM Martin Packer 
wrote:

> Right. And coming to this late...
>
> SMF 78-2 has all the numbers you'd usually need on this. My standard 
> reporting generates useful stuff on this - but generally I don't bore 
> my customers with it. If it's exciting, however, ... :-)
>
> Quite often I see SQA oversized leaving unusable 24- or 31-bit SQA. 
> (Also oversized CSA, but that's a different matter.)
>
> Cheers, Martin
>
> Martin Packer,
> zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Cloud & Systems 
> Performance, IBM
>
> +44-7802-245-584
>
> email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com
>
> Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker
> Blog:
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker
>
>
>
> From:   Peter Relson 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date:   31/10/2015 13:56
> Subject:Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL
> Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
>
>
> >Remember that CSA and ECSA can overflow to SQA and ESQA, so you have 
> >more air in you (E)CSA than the 2% and 3% and this might help you 
> >survive until the next scheduled IPL.
>
> Actually, it's the other way around, as I think of it.
>
> CSA can be converted into SQA. If a request to obtain storage from SQA 
> cannot find it from the defined SQA, the system may convert CSA to 
> satisfy
>
> the request.
>
> It will not do the reverse.
>
> This is why some customers will underconfigure SQA and overconfigure CSA.
>
> Peter Relson
> z/OS Core Technology Design
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CATALOG merge APAR

[Nathan Astle]

Hi

Does anyone has a information on when we can expect the published PTF for
the APAR *OA48993 ?*

*Nathan*

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Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown

[zos reader]

Thanks Lucas & Lizette. I have terminated the Task from list and performed
the Load.
Now is systems is up and running fine.

Regards,
Samat

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Lucas Rosalen 
wrote:

> Once you cancel this task, you can perform the Load. I would perform a
> Reset Normal first, if you haven't done so.
> Your system is down, so there's no "clean up" you could do anyway.
>
>
> ---
> *Lucas Rosalen*
> Emails: rosalen.lu...@gmail.com / *lrosa...@pl.ibm.com
> *
> LinkedIn: http://br.linkedin.com/in/lrosalen
> Phone: +48 792 809 198
>
>
> 2015-11-04 12:57 GMT-02:00 zos reader :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Yes, you're right. One task is currently running,Task name- LOAD.
> >
> > I am trying to cancel the task from HMC Management / Users and Tasks.
> > I'm just confirming that Once we cancel this Task, can we start
> performing
> > the IPL or do we need to any pre-work to fix this issue .
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Samat
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Lucas Rosalen 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From what you've posted, although your system has not been shutdown
> > > correctly, the problem you're facing is that other user (pzkz1) has
> > already
> > > selected LOAD function for this image (thus, it is locked for you).
> > > You might be able cancel this user/task in HMC Management / Users and
> > Tasks
> > > (I was using Tree Style, might be slightly different in Classical
> Style)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> ---
> > > *Lucas Rosalen*
> > > Emails: rosalen.lu...@gmail.com / *lrosa...@pl.ibm.com
> > > *
> > > LinkedIn: http://br.linkedin.com/in/lrosalen
> > > Phone: +48 792 809 198
> > >
> > >
> > > 2015-11-04 12:39 GMT+01:00 Lizette Koehler :
> > >
> > > > I forgot to ask
> > > > What level of the HMC are you running?
> > > > Are you doing this locally or remote for the IPL?
> > > >
> > > > Lizette
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:
> IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > ]
> > > On
> > > > > Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:30 AM
> > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > Subject: Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not sure if you got your issue resolved, but here are some
> post
> > > > questions
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) do you do your shutdown manually or with automation?
> > > > >   a) has your shop documented how to shut-down all tasks
> > manually?
> > > > >   b) does your shop use a Proc to stop all tasks or a Clist or
> an
> > > > automation
> > > > > tool (OPS/MVS, Tivoli, etc)
> > > > > 2) are you a Parallel sysplex, sysplex or monoplex?
> > > > > 3) Did you do a vary offline to take it out of a plex?
> > > > > 4) On your HMC did you chose the correct load or load/store
> function?
> > > > > 5) how often do you do the IPLs?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are still waiting to IPL
> > > > > 1) What state is your IPL process in?  Do you still have the
> message
> > on
> > > > the HMC?
> > > > > 2) did you go to the USERS and TASKS section of the HMC as the
> > message
> > > > suggests?
> > > > > What was there?
> > > > > 3) have you tried to terminate the load and try again?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have an urgent issue, calling the vendor is sometimes faster
> > > than
> > > > waiting on
> > > > > the list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lizette
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:
> > IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > ]
> > > > > > On Behalf Of zos reader
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:40 AM
> > > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > > Subject: Subsys not down while Shutdown
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i am trying to bring our system and i brought all the subsystems
> > and
> > > > > > also came out of syslex and few of subsystems didn't come down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  SYSLOG   STC01579 +MASTER+   15 EXECUTION  SYS9
> SYS9
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   TSS9 STC01588 +TSS9  15 EXECUTION  SYS9
> SYS9
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   PTXMANZ  STC01660 PTXMANZ15 EXECUTION  SYS9
> SYS9
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   CA7  STC03185 CA715 EXECUTION  SYS9
> SYS9
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also the system came to wait state.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wen i tried to IPL and i cant and below is the message from HMC.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > P002DAA7:LPAR4
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  Object is busy for task Load by user pzkz1d
> > > > > > (pdw01ctxap026[168.94.125.26]) and
> > > > > 

AW: Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown

[Peter Hunkeler]

> Thanks Lucas & Lizette. I have terminated the Task from list and performed
> the Load.
> Now is systems is up and running fine.




Great. Now that this has been sorted out, you should invest some time to find 
out what ought to be brought down before an IPL what not. Automation (if you're 
using automation) should know and do what is necessary, but you should be 
prepared for the case when something does not work as intended.


There are tasks (STCs) that you better try to stop in the proper way, or you 
might get into troubles at next startup (e.g. DB2 which might need some long 
lasting recovery). On the other hand, there are some tasks which you really 
don't need to care about, and there are tasks which cannot be stopped at all.


The list is depending on your setup and the products you use.


It is also useful to have a list of tasks to start, and in what order, in case 
you need to perform an IPL manually. Again automation may fail to complete the 
startup for whatever reason.


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Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

[Rob Schramm]

One the best sysprogs I know attempted to free some storage SQA / CSA due
to a creeping storage condition.  There was a shory pause followed by some
expletives and an immediate IPL of the system.  I wouldn't attempt it on
any system I cared about unless it was to attempt to avoid an impending
IPL.

Rob Schramm

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, 10:47 AM Martin Packer 
wrote:

> Right. And coming to this late...
>
> SMF 78-2 has all the numbers you'd usually need on this. My standard
> reporting generates useful stuff on this - but generally I don't bore my
> customers with it. If it's exciting, however, ... :-)
>
> Quite often I see SQA oversized leaving unusable 24- or 31-bit SQA. (Also
> oversized CSA, but that's a different matter.)
>
> Cheers, Martin
>
> Martin Packer,
> zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator,
> Worldwide Cloud & Systems Performance, IBM
>
> +44-7802-245-584
>
> email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com
>
> Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker
> Blog:
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker
>
>
>
> From:   Peter Relson 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date:   31/10/2015 13:56
> Subject:Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL
> Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
>
>
>
> >Remember that CSA and ECSA can overflow to SQA and ESQA, so you have
> >more air in you (E)CSA than the 2% and 3% and this might help you
> >survive until the next scheduled IPL.
>
> Actually, it's the other way around, as I think of it.
>
> CSA can be converted into SQA. If a request to obtain storage from SQA
> cannot find it from the defined SQA, the system may convert CSA to satisfy
>
> the request.
>
> It will not do the reverse.
>
> This is why some customers will underconfigure SQA and overconfigure CSA.
>
> Peter Relson
> z/OS Core Technology Design
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Re: SRB And Enclave SRB

[Sam Siegel]

Authorized assembler services guide chapter 9. SA22-7608

wlm: programing workload management services : SA22-7619 IWMECRE
and IWM4ECRE

essentially, an enclave srb is associated with a work load management
enclave.



On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:39 AM, michelbutz  wrote:

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>
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> between the above two
>
>
> Thanks
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Re: SRB And Enclave SRB

[michelbutz]

Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Sam Siegel  wrote:
> 
> Authorized assembler services guide chapter 9. SA22-7608
> 
> wlm: programing workload management services : SA22-7619 IWMECRE
> and IWM4ECRE
> 
> essentially, an enclave srb is associated with a work load management
> enclave.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:39 AM, michelbutz  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Can someone on the list point me to where I might find the differences
>> between the above two
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
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Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL

[Roberto Halais]

I onced tried to liberate csa memory (of an old stc that was inactive) with
a Mainview product.

Result:  IPL at 10:00am in a nationwide organization.

That's 10 years ago. Never touch that again.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Rob Schramm  wrote:

> One the best sysprogs I know attempted to free some storage SQA / CSA due
> to a creeping storage condition.  There was a shory pause followed by some
> expletives and an immediate IPL of the system.  I wouldn't attempt it on
> any system I cared about unless it was to attempt to avoid an impending
> IPL.
>
> Rob Schramm
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, 10:47 AM Martin Packer 
> wrote:
>
> > Right. And coming to this late...
> >
> > SMF 78-2 has all the numbers you'd usually need on this. My standard
> > reporting generates useful stuff on this - but generally I don't bore my
> > customers with it. If it's exciting, however, ... :-)
> >
> > Quite often I see SQA oversized leaving unusable 24- or 31-bit SQA. (Also
> > oversized CSA, but that's a different matter.)
> >
> > Cheers, Martin
> >
> > Martin Packer,
> > zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator,
> > Worldwide Cloud & Systems Performance, IBM
> >
> > +44-7802-245-584
> >
> > email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com
> >
> > Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker
> > Blog:
> > https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker
> >
> >
> >
> > From:   Peter Relson 
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Date:   31/10/2015 13:56
> > Subject:Re: Releasing Orphan Storage without IPL
> > Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> >
> >
> >
> > >Remember that CSA and ECSA can overflow to SQA and ESQA, so you have
> > >more air in you (E)CSA than the 2% and 3% and this might help you
> > >survive until the next scheduled IPL.
> >
> > Actually, it's the other way around, as I think of it.
> >
> > CSA can be converted into SQA. If a request to obtain storage from SQA
> > cannot find it from the defined SQA, the system may convert CSA to
> satisfy
> >
> > the request.
> >
> > It will not do the reverse.
> >
> > This is why some customers will underconfigure SQA and overconfigure CSA.
> >
> > Peter Relson
> > z/OS Core Technology Design
> >
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Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown

[zos reader]

Hi,

Yes, you're right. One task is currently running,Task name- LOAD.

I am trying to cancel the task from HMC Management / Users and Tasks.
I'm just confirming that Once we cancel this Task, can we start performing
the IPL or do we need to any pre-work to fix this issue .

Thanks,
Samat

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Lucas Rosalen 
wrote:

> From what you've posted, although your system has not been shutdown
> correctly, the problem you're facing is that other user (pzkz1) has already
> selected LOAD function for this image (thus, it is locked for you).
> You might be able cancel this user/task in HMC Management / Users and Tasks
> (I was using Tree Style, might be slightly different in Classical Style)
>
>
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> *
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> Phone: +48 792 809 198
>
>
> 2015-11-04 12:39 GMT+01:00 Lizette Koehler :
>
> > I forgot to ask
> > What level of the HMC are you running?
> > Are you doing this locally or remote for the IPL?
> >
> > Lizette
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:30 AM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown
> > >
> > > I am not sure if you got your issue resolved, but here are some post
> > questions
> > >
> > > 1) do you do your shutdown manually or with automation?
> > >   a) has your shop documented how to shut-down all tasks manually?
> > >   b) does your shop use a Proc to stop all tasks or a Clist or an
> > automation
> > > tool (OPS/MVS, Tivoli, etc)
> > > 2) are you a Parallel sysplex, sysplex or monoplex?
> > > 3) Did you do a vary offline to take it out of a plex?
> > > 4) On your HMC did you chose the correct load or load/store function?
> > > 5) how often do you do the IPLs?
> > >
> > > If you are still waiting to IPL
> > > 1) What state is your IPL process in?  Do you still have the message on
> > the HMC?
> > > 2) did you go to the USERS and TASKS section of the HMC as the message
> > suggests?
> > > What was there?
> > > 3) have you tried to terminate the load and try again?
> > >
> > >
> > > If you have an urgent issue, calling the vendor is sometimes faster
> than
> > waiting on
> > > the list.
> > >
> > > Lizette
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> ]
> > > > On Behalf Of zos reader
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:40 AM
> > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > Subject: Subsys not down while Shutdown
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > i am trying to bring our system and i brought all the subsystems and
> > > > also came out of syslex and few of subsystems didn't come down.
> > > >
> > > >  SYSLOG   STC01579 +MASTER+   15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > > >
> > > >   TSS9 STC01588 +TSS9  15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > > >
> > > >   PTXMANZ  STC01660 PTXMANZ15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > > >
> > > >   CA7  STC03185 CA715 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also the system came to wait state.
> > > >
> > > > Wen i tried to IPL and i cant and below is the message from HMC.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > P002DAA7:LPAR4
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Object is busy for task Load by user pzkz1d
> > > > (pdw01ctxap026[168.94.125.26]) and
> > > >
> > > > the task cannot handle busy objects. See 'Users and Tasks' for more
> > > > details or to try to terminate the Load task.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please assist me how to bring ths tasks down and perform the IPL.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Samat
> >
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Re: Java and .jar files on OMVS

[Jack J. Woehr]

Timothy Sipples wrote:

Jack J. Woehr:

Wonder how much IBM has chipped in? :)

Why wonder? You can examine OpenSSH itself to find at least some of IBM's
contributions.


Very nice summary.

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Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown

[Lizette Koehler]

I am not sure if you got your issue resolved, but here are some post questions

1) do you do your shutdown manually or with automation?
a) has your shop documented how to shut-down all tasks manually?
b) does your shop use a Proc to stop all tasks or a Clist or an 
automation tool (OPS/MVS, Tivoli, etc)
2) are you a Parallel sysplex, sysplex or monoplex?
3) Did you do a vary offline to take it out of a plex?
4) On your HMC did you chose the correct load or load/store function?
5) how often do you do the IPLs?

If you are still waiting to IPL
1) What state is your IPL process in?  Do you still have the message on the HMC?
2) did you go to the USERS and TASKS section of the HMC as the message 
suggests?  What was there?
3) have you tried to terminate the load and try again?


If you have an urgent issue, calling the vendor is sometimes faster than 
waiting on the list.

Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of zos reader
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:40 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Subsys not down while Shutdown
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> i am trying to bring our system and i brought all the subsystems and also 
> came out of
> syslex and few of subsystems didn't come down.
> 
>  SYSLOG   STC01579 +MASTER+   15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> 
>   TSS9 STC01588 +TSS9  15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> 
>   PTXMANZ  STC01660 PTXMANZ15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> 
>   CA7  STC03185 CA715 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> 
> 
> Also the system came to wait state.
> 
> Wen i tried to IPL and i cant and below is the message from HMC.
> 
> 
> P002DAA7:LPAR4
> 
> 
> 
>  Object is busy for task Load by user pzkz1d (pdw01ctxap026[168.94.125.26]) 
> and
> 
> the task cannot handle busy objects. See 'Users and Tasks' for more details 
> or to try
> to terminate the Load task.
> 
> 
> Please assist me how to bring ths tasks down and perform the IPL.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Samat
> 

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Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown

[Lizette Koehler]

I forgot to ask
What level of the HMC are you running?
Are you doing this locally or remote for the IPL?

Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:30 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown
> 
> I am not sure if you got your issue resolved, but here are some post questions
> 
> 1) do you do your shutdown manually or with automation?
>   a) has your shop documented how to shut-down all tasks manually?
>   b) does your shop use a Proc to stop all tasks or a Clist or an 
> automation
> tool (OPS/MVS, Tivoli, etc)
> 2) are you a Parallel sysplex, sysplex or monoplex?
> 3) Did you do a vary offline to take it out of a plex?
> 4) On your HMC did you chose the correct load or load/store function?
> 5) how often do you do the IPLs?
> 
> If you are still waiting to IPL
> 1) What state is your IPL process in?  Do you still have the message on the 
> HMC?
> 2) did you go to the USERS and TASKS section of the HMC as the message 
> suggests?
> What was there?
> 3) have you tried to terminate the load and try again?
> 
> 
> If you have an urgent issue, calling the vendor is sometimes faster than 
> waiting on
> the list.
> 
> Lizette
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> > On Behalf Of zos reader
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:40 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Subsys not down while Shutdown
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > i am trying to bring our system and i brought all the subsystems and
> > also came out of syslex and few of subsystems didn't come down.
> >
> >  SYSLOG   STC01579 +MASTER+   15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> >
> >   TSS9 STC01588 +TSS9  15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> >
> >   PTXMANZ  STC01660 PTXMANZ15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> >
> >   CA7  STC03185 CA715 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> >
> >
> > Also the system came to wait state.
> >
> > Wen i tried to IPL and i cant and below is the message from HMC.
> >
> >
> > P002DAA7:LPAR4
> >
> >
> >
> >  Object is busy for task Load by user pzkz1d
> > (pdw01ctxap026[168.94.125.26]) and
> >
> > the task cannot handle busy objects. See 'Users and Tasks' for more
> > details or to try to terminate the Load task.
> >
> >
> > Please assist me how to bring ths tasks down and perform the IPL.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Samat

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Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown

[Lucas Rosalen]

>From what you've posted, although your system has not been shutdown
correctly, the problem you're facing is that other user (pzkz1) has already
selected LOAD function for this image (thus, it is locked for you).
You might be able cancel this user/task in HMC Management / Users and Tasks
(I was using Tree Style, might be slightly different in Classical Style)

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2015-11-04 12:39 GMT+01:00 Lizette Koehler :

> I forgot to ask
> What level of the HMC are you running?
> Are you doing this locally or remote for the IPL?
>
> Lizette
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> > Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:30 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown
> >
> > I am not sure if you got your issue resolved, but here are some post
> questions
> >
> > 1) do you do your shutdown manually or with automation?
> >   a) has your shop documented how to shut-down all tasks manually?
> >   b) does your shop use a Proc to stop all tasks or a Clist or an
> automation
> > tool (OPS/MVS, Tivoli, etc)
> > 2) are you a Parallel sysplex, sysplex or monoplex?
> > 3) Did you do a vary offline to take it out of a plex?
> > 4) On your HMC did you chose the correct load or load/store function?
> > 5) how often do you do the IPLs?
> >
> > If you are still waiting to IPL
> > 1) What state is your IPL process in?  Do you still have the message on
> the HMC?
> > 2) did you go to the USERS and TASKS section of the HMC as the message
> suggests?
> > What was there?
> > 3) have you tried to terminate the load and try again?
> >
> >
> > If you have an urgent issue, calling the vendor is sometimes faster than
> waiting on
> > the list.
> >
> > Lizette
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> > > On Behalf Of zos reader
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:40 AM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Subsys not down while Shutdown
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > i am trying to bring our system and i brought all the subsystems and
> > > also came out of syslex and few of subsystems didn't come down.
> > >
> > >  SYSLOG   STC01579 +MASTER+   15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > >
> > >   TSS9 STC01588 +TSS9  15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > >
> > >   PTXMANZ  STC01660 PTXMANZ15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > >
> > >   CA7  STC03185 CA715 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > >
> > >
> > > Also the system came to wait state.
> > >
> > > Wen i tried to IPL and i cant and below is the message from HMC.
> > >
> > >
> > > P002DAA7:LPAR4
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Object is busy for task Load by user pzkz1d
> > > (pdw01ctxap026[168.94.125.26]) and
> > >
> > > the task cannot handle busy objects. See 'Users and Tasks' for more
> > > details or to try to terminate the Load task.
> > >
> > >
> > > Please assist me how to bring ths tasks down and perform the IPL.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Samat
>
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JES3 SDSF JESJCL

[Paul Gilmartin]

On z/OS 2.2 JES3, the JESJCL data set appears to be a concatenation of
the content of JESJCLIN and JESJCL as they appear on a JES2 system.
Do others observe this?  Is this intended behavior?  Is it desirable?

I had intended to extract two JESJCLs (JES2 and JES3) and diff them to
compare two jobs.  The addition of JESJCL lowers the s/n ratio.

-- gil

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Re: AW: PL/I and optional parameters

[Jon Butler]

LIST has been part of PL/I, and most high-level languages, since at least the 
370...that's a far back as I go!

You can use LIST to get an listing of the assembler generated by the PL/I 
statements in your module.  You can also limit the output by using a LIST(n,m) 
where n and m are the line numbers in your program for which you want the 
assembler to be shown.   These are the actual line numbers used by the 
compiler, not the editor line numbers.  

If you use LIST, you many not want to use OPTIMIZE, so you see the assembler in 
the same order as your code before the optimizer re-arranges it.

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Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown

[Lucas Rosalen]

Once you cancel this task, you can perform the Load. I would perform a
Reset Normal first, if you haven't done so.
Your system is down, so there's no "clean up" you could do anyway.

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2015-11-04 12:57 GMT-02:00 zos reader :

> Hi,
>
> Yes, you're right. One task is currently running,Task name- LOAD.
>
> I am trying to cancel the task from HMC Management / Users and Tasks.
> I'm just confirming that Once we cancel this Task, can we start performing
> the IPL or do we need to any pre-work to fix this issue .
>
> Thanks,
> Samat
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Lucas Rosalen 
> wrote:
>
> > From what you've posted, although your system has not been shutdown
> > correctly, the problem you're facing is that other user (pzkz1) has
> already
> > selected LOAD function for this image (thus, it is locked for you).
> > You might be able cancel this user/task in HMC Management / Users and
> Tasks
> > (I was using Tree Style, might be slightly different in Classical Style)
> >
> >
> >
> ---
> > *Lucas Rosalen*
> > Emails: rosalen.lu...@gmail.com / *lrosa...@pl.ibm.com
> > *
> > LinkedIn: http://br.linkedin.com/in/lrosalen
> > Phone: +48 792 809 198
> >
> >
> > 2015-11-04 12:39 GMT+01:00 Lizette Koehler :
> >
> > > I forgot to ask
> > > What level of the HMC are you running?
> > > Are you doing this locally or remote for the IPL?
> > >
> > > Lizette
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> ]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:30 AM
> > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > Subject: Re: Subsys not down while Shutdown
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if you got your issue resolved, but here are some post
> > > questions
> > > >
> > > > 1) do you do your shutdown manually or with automation?
> > > >   a) has your shop documented how to shut-down all tasks
> manually?
> > > >   b) does your shop use a Proc to stop all tasks or a Clist or an
> > > automation
> > > > tool (OPS/MVS, Tivoli, etc)
> > > > 2) are you a Parallel sysplex, sysplex or monoplex?
> > > > 3) Did you do a vary offline to take it out of a plex?
> > > > 4) On your HMC did you chose the correct load or load/store function?
> > > > 5) how often do you do the IPLs?
> > > >
> > > > If you are still waiting to IPL
> > > > 1) What state is your IPL process in?  Do you still have the message
> on
> > > the HMC?
> > > > 2) did you go to the USERS and TASKS section of the HMC as the
> message
> > > suggests?
> > > > What was there?
> > > > 3) have you tried to terminate the load and try again?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you have an urgent issue, calling the vendor is sometimes faster
> > than
> > > waiting on
> > > > the list.
> > > >
> > > > Lizette
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:
> IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > ]
> > > > > On Behalf Of zos reader
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:40 AM
> > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > Subject: Subsys not down while Shutdown
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > i am trying to bring our system and i brought all the subsystems
> and
> > > > > also came out of syslex and few of subsystems didn't come down.
> > > > >
> > > > >  SYSLOG   STC01579 +MASTER+   15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > > > >
> > > > >   TSS9 STC01588 +TSS9  15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > > > >
> > > > >   PTXMANZ  STC01660 PTXMANZ15 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > > > >
> > > > >   CA7  STC03185 CA715 EXECUTION  SYS9  SYS9
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Also the system came to wait state.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wen i tried to IPL and i cant and below is the message from HMC.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > P002DAA7:LPAR4
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  Object is busy for task Load by user pzkz1d
> > > > > (pdw01ctxap026[168.94.125.26]) and
> > > > >
> > > > > the task cannot handle busy objects. See 'Users and Tasks' for more
> > > > > details or to try to terminate the Load task.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please assist me how to bring ths tasks down and perform the IPL.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Samat
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Re: Java and .jar files on OMVS

[Timothy Sipples]

Jack J. Woehr:
>Wonder how much IBM has chipped in? :)

Why wonder? You can examine OpenSSH itself to find at least some of IBM's
contributions. For example, Kevin Cawlfield and Matt Richards, who both
worked for IBM, are listed in the credits for their contributions (with
IBM's support). As another example, there's an IBM copyright notice within
OpenSSH reflecting IBM's donation of certain code to the open source
community. OpenSSH relies quite heavily on OpenSSL, and Suresh Chari at
IBM's T.J. Watson Research Center is listed as a code contributor there (as
another example).

Of course we should all be grateful that the brilliant cryptologist Horst
Feistel and his brilliant colleagues at IBM invented modern commercial
cryptography with the Data Encryption Standard (DES). DES's immediate
"lengthened" successor, TDES, is still (at this writing) considered
"reasonably" secure and is the cryptographic algorithm in use on all those
EMV (chip) credit and debit cards most Americans received for the first
time this year.


Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA


E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

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SRB And Enclave SRB

[michelbutz]

Hi

Can someone on the list point me to where I might find the differences between 
the above two


Thanks

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