Re: what is DSSUMON?

[Jim Kyriakakis]

Hi,

Module DSSUMON is from product QuickTAPE from Texas Digital Systems Inc.


Jim Kyriakakis
Architect
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Subject: Re: what is DSSUMON?

Looking into this has been a chase.

The only items of interest in the load module is the assembler product code and 
the binder product code.
.DSSUMON .
..
5695PMB01 
~..569623400 .
. ..ε.
..DSSUMON.
..

There are a lot of messages that start with TDS00..., such as:
TDS0001I DSSUMON MONITOR INITIALIZATION COMPLETE V3.1.9 I also what look like 
commands:
ABENDSTOPNODEVVAL3CHARALLOCNOALLOCSTATSWTORRESETRELEASEACQUIRENOTE

It is the only item in the library, which has the name:
SYS2.QUICKTAP.V3R1M9.APFLIB

OK, went looking around for any dataset with 'QUICKTAP'. I actually found the 
source. The first line has:
DSSUMON  TITLE 'TDS DISPLAY SUPPORT SYSTEM - UCB MONITOR FOR PCSYS  '

But, no copyright. I finally found doc member written by local staff many years 
ago because it indicates where the system was hosted and it was a long time ago 
that it was hosted at that location.

QUICKTAPE IS A TAPE MESSAGE DISPLAY SYSTEM THAT UTILIZES LARGE MULTICOLOR 
DISPLAY PANELS TO INFORM TAPE OPERATORS OF PENDING TAPE MOUNTS IN A LARGE 
MAINFRAME TAPE ENVIRONMENT.  A TYPICAL QUICKTAPE SYSTEM CONTAINS THREE SOFTWARE 
MODULES:  DSS, GRAPHER, AND MLOG.  IN ADDITION, DSSUMON IS REQUIRED FOR MVS 
SYSTEMS.

DSS (DISPLAY SUPPORT SOFTWARE) IS A DOS-BASED PROGRAM CAPABLE OF MANAGING UP TO 
256 HOST SYSTEM INPUTS CONCURRENTLY.  THIS MENU-DRIVEN PROGRAM PROVIDES THE 
USER INTERFACE, DRIVES THE DISPLAYS AND LOGS TAPE ACTIVITY.

THE GRAPHER SOFTWARE ALLOWS QUICKTAPE'S BUILT-IN REPORTS AND GRAPHS TO BE 
PRINTED WITHOUT INTERRUPTING TAPE OPERATIONS.
THIS SOFTWARE RESIDES ON A PC OTHER THAN THE QUICKTAPE PC.

QUICKTAPE LOGS ALL MOUNT REQUESTS (INCLUDING ROBOTICS), STORING THE PREVIOUS 31 
DAYS.  AT ANY POINT DURING THE 31 DAYS, THE LOG FILES CAN BE COPIED OVER TO 
WHATEVER COMPUTER HAS THE MLOG SOFTWARE.  MLOG PROVIDES A SEARCH CAPABILITY SO 
THAT MOUNTS MEETING ANY SET OF CRITERIA CAN BE IDENTIFIED, INCLUDING:

DSSUMON RUNS ON MVS SYSTEMS, WHERE IT SCANS ALL TAPE DRIVES AND ISSUES READY 
MESSAGES WHEN TAPES ARE MOUNTED.  IT ALSO ALLOWS MOUNTS TO BE CLEARED MANUALLY 
FROM A CONSOLE ON THE SYSTEM THAT ISSUED THE MOUNT.  DSSUMON IS NOT REQUIRED 
FOR ANY OTHER HOST SYSTEM.

THE VENDOR FOR QUICKTAPE IS TEXAS DIGITAL SYSTEMS (TDS):
   TEXAS DIGITAL SYSTEMS, INC.
   400 TECHNOLOGY PARKWAY
   COLLEGE STATION, TX  77845-5826
   (409) 693-9378  VOICE
   (409) 764-8650  (FAX)
   
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=WWW.TXDIGITAL.COMdata=02%7C01%7Cjim.kyriakakis%40HCL.COM%7Cae422bf86c2c4defe2ce08d77cffdd13%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637115310701242205sdata=ISLmtIy2GKdAhNLq7kZe6fXf1fkjnk4dc6NixH4voYU%3Dreserved=0
   sa...@txdigital.com

QUICKTAPE WAS PURCHASED BY ACS AS A REPLACEMENT FOR TELEGENIX ON ALL DALLAS 
LPAR'S.

QUICKTAPE'S STARTED TASK IS DSSUMON, AND IT REPLACES TELEGENIX'S STARTED TASK 
TGXARM.

INSTALL INSTRUCTIONS FOR QUICKTAPE ON DCUF ARE AS FOLLOWS:

INSTALLATION HISTORY:
DATELPAR  VERSION  INSTALLER   TASK
  05/30/04  DCUF   3.1.9 BPIP 664964
  05/30/04  DCU0   3.1.9 BPIP 666222




Tony Thigpen

Mark Jacobs wrote on 12/9/19 4:37 PM:
> Browse the load module and see if there are any eye catchers/copyright 
> notices in it.
>
> Mark Jacobs
>
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>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Monday, December 9, 2019 3:56 PM, Tony Thigpen  wrote:
>
>> I have an auto-started initiator running DSSUMON and I don't know
>> what it is doing. Anybody know what this program does? I think it's a
>> vendor program that we don't license anymore. The messages don't
>> supply any vendor name.
>>
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Re: Container pricing

[Salva Carrasco]

We went to dev container 6 month ago.

Now we have x2 capacity for the same price (only MLC, OTC is the same).

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Timothy Sipples]

Keep an eye on the IBM Z Open Editor:

https://ibm.github.io/zopeneditor-about

There's no specific Assembler editor/awareness yet, but you can ask. In
fact, there's an open feature request already lodged for Assembler (and
REXX) support, and there's also a separate feature request to add a menu
option to remove sequence numbers. You can add "votes" if you like.

https://github.com/IBM/zopeneditor-about/issues


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IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE


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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.]

Thanks. Your JSON code passed with flying colors and I saved it but no ruler 
showed. I even tried this:

{
"editor.wordWrapColumn": 120,
"[HLASM]": {
"editorRuler.foreground": "#ff4081",
"editor.rulers": [
71,
72,
80
]
}
}

Still no rulers. :(

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Re: [External] Help with CA-ENF error message

[Pommier, Rex]

Sorry, I tossed that CD.  Can’t find it.



From: Pommier, Rex 
Date: December 10, 2019 at 4:27:56 PM CST
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Subject: Re: [External] Help with CA-ENF error message

Tony,

I "think" I have an old CA documentation CD at home that might have this 
message documented in it.  I'll check.

Rex

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It's an old, stagnate, OS/390 system. So, it is running some really old code.
CAS9075I - SERVICE(CA-RIM/BASE ) VERS(V1.0) GENLVL(2201S9100) CAS9075I - 
Service(CA-ENF/BASE ) Vers(V1.0) Genlvl(2201W1100) CAS9075I - 
Service(CA-ENF/CICS ) Vers(V1.0) Genlvl(2201W3100) CAS9075I - 
Service(CA-ENF/CCI  ) Vers(V1.1) Genlvl(2201W4110) CAS9075I - 
Service(CA-ENF/DB2  ) Vers(V1.0) Genlvl(2201W5100)

More from the log:
CAS9217I - ENF DB initialization starting CAS9218I - ENF DB initialization 
complete CAS9207E - CA-ENF Database Error 1600 CAS9203E - CA-ENF Initialization 
error - terminating

Tony Thigpen

Pommier, Rex wrote on 12/10/19 4:44 PM:
> Hi Tony,
>
> Did you get a CAS9208E or CAS9209E message?  Isn't the ENF database a Datacom 
> database?  Would the error 1600 be documented in a Datacom manual?
>
> Interesting that my version of the messages manual says that CAS9207E was 
> eliminated from the manual between edition 3 and 4 of the manual, implying 
> that it was eliminated when CA common services 14.1 became available.  I have 
> the 6th edition, which is copyright 2014!
>
> Rex
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:16 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: [External] Help with CA-ENF error message
>
> The current doc that I just got from the Broadcom site (what a job finding it 
> on the new pages) does not actually list the following message although it 
> mentions it in other messages. I need to find out what it really means.
>
> CAS9207E - CA-ENF Database Error 1600
>
> This is a test restore of on a DR box. It may just be because the data was 
> backed-up with CA-ENF up, but I have not seen this one before.
>
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Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:48:23 +, Martin Packer wrote:

>BTW on the Mac there are at least 3 other options:
>
>Python
>In-built Apache/PHP
>Filezilla
> 
It could be worse.  I've encountered a Linux system that made
"telnet" a link to "ssh".

They ain't the same.

>From:   Denis
>Date:   10/12/2019 08:40
>
>I was not precise enough, I did the git clone in the mac, but it lacks an
>FTP command line client, so the FTP was done from the Windows 10 in VMware
>Fusion sharing the macbooks directory.
>
So, in effect the shared folder is a binary transfer from Mac to the Windows
guest with the wrong delimiter for Windows.

But still, z/OS conventionally converts:
ASCII x'0A' <-> x'15'EBCDIC.  For FTP to do otherwise ought to
be an APARable deviation.  For example, try transferring your file in
BINARY, then using "iconv -f ISO8859-1 -t IBM-1047'.  I'd expect you
to see x'15'.


>-Original Message-
>On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:29:17 +, Denis wrote:
>
>>I had the same issue, because the mainframe is not allowed to access
>anything outside. So git clone does not work.I used git clone on windows,
>did an ascii ftp upload to a z/OS HFS and then used the cp -F lf -U -M
>ZIGI.V1R3.PANELS/* //'HLQ.ZIGI.V1R3.PANELS' command to copy. You need to
>tailor it to suit your needs and do the same for EXEC.The -F lf is
>required because the records are x'25' delimited. The quote site did not
>work for me either, I also tried SBSENDEOL=LF, which did not work too.

I hate EBCDIC!
gil

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Re: shop-z down?

[Wayne Bickerdike]

Well 9 hours later it's up here in Australia.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 4:27 AM Pommier, Rex 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Anybody else having issues getting into Shop-Z?  I get a 404 error.  Even
> if I go here
>
> https://www.ibm.com/client-tools/shopz
>
> then click on the go to the sign on page", I get the 404.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: Help with CA-ENF error message

[Wayne Bickerdike]

Tony, it could be a RC 16, exclusive control interlock. Because you did a
hot backup, there may be a flag set.

You could try a RESET CXX, make sure you have a backup ...

https://techdocs.broadcom.com/content/broadcom/techdocs/us/en/ca-mainframe-software/database-management/ca-datacom-db-for-z-vse/12-0/reference/using-ca-datacom-db-utility-dbutlty/utility-function-summary-and-functions/reset-reset-area/reset-cxx-release-directory-and-database-control.html

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 8:17 AM Tony Thigpen  wrote:

> The current doc that I just got from the Broadcom site (what a job
> finding it on the new pages) does not actually list the following
> message although it mentions it in other messages. I need to find out
> what it really means.
>
> CAS9207E - CA-ENF Database Error 1600
>
> This is a test restore of on a DR box. It may just be because the data
> was backed-up with CA-ENF up, but I have not seen this one before.
>
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Re: [External] Help with CA-ENF error message

[Pommier, Rex]

Tony,

I "think" I have an old CA documentation CD at home that might have this 
message documented in it.  I'll check.

Rex

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Tony Thigpen
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 4:09 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [External] Help with CA-ENF error message

It's an old, stagnate, OS/390 system. So, it is running some really old code.
CAS9075I - SERVICE(CA-RIM/BASE ) VERS(V1.0) GENLVL(2201S9100) CAS9075I - 
Service(CA-ENF/BASE ) Vers(V1.0) Genlvl(2201W1100) CAS9075I - 
Service(CA-ENF/CICS ) Vers(V1.0) Genlvl(2201W3100) CAS9075I - 
Service(CA-ENF/CCI  ) Vers(V1.1) Genlvl(2201W4110) CAS9075I - 
Service(CA-ENF/DB2  ) Vers(V1.0) Genlvl(2201W5100)

More from the log:
CAS9217I - ENF DB initialization starting CAS9218I - ENF DB initialization 
complete CAS9207E - CA-ENF Database Error 1600 CAS9203E - CA-ENF Initialization 
error - terminating

Tony Thigpen

Pommier, Rex wrote on 12/10/19 4:44 PM:
> Hi Tony,
> 
> Did you get a CAS9208E or CAS9209E message?  Isn't the ENF database a Datacom 
> database?  Would the error 1600 be documented in a Datacom manual?
> 
> Interesting that my version of the messages manual says that CAS9207E was 
> eliminated from the manual between edition 3 and 4 of the manual, implying 
> that it was eliminated when CA common services 14.1 became available.  I have 
> the 6th edition, which is copyright 2014!
> 
> Rex
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:16 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: [External] Help with CA-ENF error message
> 
> The current doc that I just got from the Broadcom site (what a job finding it 
> on the new pages) does not actually list the following message although it 
> mentions it in other messages. I need to find out what it really means.
> 
> CAS9207E - CA-ENF Database Error 1600
> 
> This is a test restore of on a DR box. It may just be because the data was 
> backed-up with CA-ENF up, but I have not seen this one before.
> 
> --
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Re: [External] Help with CA-ENF error message

[Tony Thigpen]

It's an old, stagnate, OS/390 system. So, it is running some really old 
code.

CAS9075I - SERVICE(CA-RIM/BASE ) VERS(V1.0) GENLVL(2201S9100)
CAS9075I - Service(CA-ENF/BASE ) Vers(V1.0) Genlvl(2201W1100)
CAS9075I - Service(CA-ENF/CICS ) Vers(V1.0) Genlvl(2201W3100)
CAS9075I - Service(CA-ENF/CCI  ) Vers(V1.1) Genlvl(2201W4110)
CAS9075I - Service(CA-ENF/DB2  ) Vers(V1.0) Genlvl(2201W5100)

More from the log:
CAS9217I - ENF DB initialization starting
CAS9218I - ENF DB initialization complete
CAS9207E - CA-ENF Database Error 1600
CAS9203E - CA-ENF Initialization error - terminating

Tony Thigpen

Pommier, Rex wrote on 12/10/19 4:44 PM:

Hi Tony,

Did you get a CAS9208E or CAS9209E message?  Isn't the ENF database a Datacom 
database?  Would the error 1600 be documented in a Datacom manual?

Interesting that my version of the messages manual says that CAS9207E was 
eliminated from the manual between edition 3 and 4 of the manual, implying that 
it was eliminated when CA common services 14.1 became available.  I have the 
6th edition, which is copyright 2014!

Rex

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Tony Thigpen
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] Help with CA-ENF error message

The current doc that I just got from the Broadcom site (what a job finding it 
on the new pages) does not actually list the following message although it 
mentions it in other messages. I need to find out what it really means.

CAS9207E - CA-ENF Database Error 1600

This is a test restore of on a DR box. It may just be because the data was 
backed-up with CA-ENF up, but I have not seen this one before.

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Re: [External] Help with CA-ENF error message

[Pommier, Rex]

Hi Tony,

Did you get a CAS9208E or CAS9209E message?  Isn't the ENF database a Datacom 
database?  Would the error 1600 be documented in a Datacom manual?  

Interesting that my version of the messages manual says that CAS9207E was 
eliminated from the manual between edition 3 and 4 of the manual, implying that 
it was eliminated when CA common services 14.1 became available.  I have the 
6th edition, which is copyright 2014!

Rex

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Tony Thigpen
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] Help with CA-ENF error message

The current doc that I just got from the Broadcom site (what a job finding it 
on the new pages) does not actually list the following message although it 
mentions it in other messages. I need to find out what it really means.

CAS9207E - CA-ENF Database Error 1600

This is a test restore of on a DR box. It may just be because the data was 
backed-up with CA-ENF up, but I have not seen this one before.

--
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Help with CA-ENF error message

[Tony Thigpen]

The current doc that I just got from the Broadcom site (what a job 
finding it on the new pages) does not actually list the following 
message although it mentions it in other messages. I need to find out 
what it really means.


CAS9207E - CA-ENF Database Error 1600

This is a test restore of on a DR box. It may just be because the data 
was backed-up with CA-ENF up, but I have not seen this one before.


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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Dan Kelosky]

It is JSON syntax, so I think you'd want something like this.
{
"editor.wordWrapColumn": 120,
"[HLASM]": {
"editor.rulers": [
71,
72,
80
]
}
}

You can use external tools to validate JSON: https://jsonlint.com/ 

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.]

Thanks. Not working. Do I have a syntax boo-boo here?

{
"editor.wordWrapColumn": 120
},
"[HLASM]": {
"editor.rulers": [
71,
72,
80
],
}

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Dan Kelosky]

I think so.  If you open the "command pallet" via Ctrl + Shift + P, then type 
in "Open Settings (JSON)", you can paste this in the top:

...
"[hlasm]": {
"editor.rulers": [
71,
72,
80
],
},
...

There's a graphical way to set this, but it's too complicated :).  This assumes 
the file extensions ends with one of:
".hlasm",
".asm",
".s",
".asmpgm",
".mac",
".asmmac"

Take care,
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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

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Hi Dan,

Thanks so much. That worked just fine for the INSERT key. Is there any way in 
VS to have some sort of a vertical column line or similar between columns 72 
and 73?

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

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Charles,

I just experimented with a very basic code and text editor called TextPad. I 
installed it, as well as a IBM Z-series Assembly Language syntax addon 
available from their site. I then went into >Configure>Preferences>Document 
Classes>Z/OS HLASM (the name I gave to files with an ASM suffix). There I 
checked on WORD WRAP LONG LINES and set WORD BREAK AT COLUMN NUMBER: 73. This 
at least prevents going past column 72.

It's very elementary but it works.

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Dan Kelosky]

VS Code doesn't really allow "overtype" via insert key: 
https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/1012

You can use this though: 
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=adammaras.overtype

Or, blow away sequence numbers as another suggested :)

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Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members on a system

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/* Rexx */
"free f(List)"
"alloc f(list) da(mylisy_dataset) shr"
"ExecIO * DiskR list (stem List. finis"
Do i = 1 to list.0
   xdsn = list.0
   TrapMode = outtrap('mem.')
   "LISTD" xDsn "Members"
   TrapMode = Outtrap('OFF')
   Do j = 7 to Mem.0
  Say Left(xDsn,44) mem.i /* print as you like */
  End
   End
 End



best,
ITschak

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:26 PM Lizette Koehler 
wrote:

> Depending on the  number of datasets you need to do.
>
> A quick process is ISPF Option 3.4 and use PX next to the PDS.  It will
> create a
> pretty listing that might do what you want.  I am not sure how to run this
> in
> batch.
>
>
>
> Not sure what the utility you are looking to run would do.
>
> But for quick and dirty, ISPF Option 3.4 with PX might give you some ideas
> of
> what you want to produce in your own utility.
>
> Lizette
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of
> > Lionel B Dyck
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:49 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS
> > members on a system
> >
> > Except that LISTDSI does not list the member names - LISTDS however will
> > using the Members keyword.
> >
> > Would need to use one of the many vtoc commands on the cbttape, or even
> > iehlist, process the results to find the pds dsnames and then do the
> LISTDS
> > for each.
> >
> >
> > Lionel B. Dyck <
> > Website: http://www.lbdsoftware.com
> >
> > "Worry more about your character than your reputation.  Character is
> what you
> > are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of
> > Seymour J Metz
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:37 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS
> > members on a system
> >
> > IMHO the best options are ISPF and SAS, but the LISTDSI suggestion also
> > works.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
> behalf of
> > Tony Thigpen 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 8:11 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS
> members
> > on a system
> >
> > I am looking for a utility that will take a list of PDS libraries and
> > generate a list of all members in the PDS.
> >
> > I have hundreds of PDSs on an old system I have to maintain and all the
> old
> > staff with any knowledge are gone. There are hundreds of PDS libraries
> and no
> > doc as to where anything is stored. I want, as a one time job, to create
> a
> > listing with a single line per member/PDS set:
> > Member_name PDS_name
> >
> > I figure there is something already available before I start writing
> > something new.
> >
> > This system does *not* have any PDSE libraries as it is OS/390 02.10.
> >
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Re: Looking for some large COBOL program examples

[Allan Kielstra]

Since I know what I want the answer to be."V6 is almost as fast as V4" :-)  
 my hope is you get, say, 19000 lines of data division and 1000 of procedure 
division!

That's just my way of saying that, in my experience, no two 2 line programs 
are the same in terms of compilation resources.  (Or, for that matter, run time 
improvement.)  2 lines of ADD 1 TO TALLY is different than a nightmarish 
mishmash of 2 lines of overlapping PERFORMed code.

Because of that, I encourage as many people as possible to help Charles out.

One problem with the COBOL world is that there is no Spec equivalent.  In the 
past, I've made this offer in various places and I'll make it here again.  If 
you have a 2 line program (or more or less) and you think it's 
representative of something important to your environment and you want to see 
compile time improvements or run time improvements and you can share it, I'm 
also interested in having it!

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Re: Looking for some large COBOL program examples

[ITschak Mugzach]

Charles,

If you are interesting in time comparison, why not just ask for compile
metrics and the cpu model?

ITschak

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:45 PM Charles Mills  wrote:

> I am looking for some sample COBOL programs of say 20,000 or more lines. I
> really don't care what they do, so long as they will compile (or could
> easily be made to compile) to an RC 0 or 4 under both Enterprise COBOL 4
> and
> Enterprise COBOL 6.
>
> Among other purposes I am working on a possible SHARE presentation about
> the
> relative compile times and so forth for COBOL 4 versus 6, optimized and
> not.
>
> The largest COBOL program I have in my inventory is 5489 lines. I would
> happily accept anything from 10,000 to a million lines. A pointer to
> publicly-available code would work also, of course. I have Googled "COBOL
> sample code" but not found anything substantial. Most examples tend to be
> fairly simple.
>
> I would need any required COPY members, of course.
>
> Obviously, check with your boss before you send me anything. Send off-list.
> Don't send the source code with the recipe for the secret sauce. I would be
> willing to sign an NDA assuming it were not too onerous, and would
> safeguard
> and not share the code in any event.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Charles Mills
> +1-707-291-0908
>
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Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

[Mike Shaw]

On 12/9/2019 5:52 AM, Binyamin Dissen wrote:

How would one measure this?



The IBM zPDT emulator could easily count them, since it emulates a 
zArchitecture machine by interpreting every machine instruction and 
emulating its operation...I bet IBM has done this for sure...


Mike Shaw
MVS/QuickRef Support Group
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.

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Looking for some large COBOL program examples

[Charles Mills]

I am looking for some sample COBOL programs of say 20,000 or more lines. I
really don't care what they do, so long as they will compile (or could
easily be made to compile) to an RC 0 or 4 under both Enterprise COBOL 4 and
Enterprise COBOL 6.

Among other purposes I am working on a possible SHARE presentation about the
relative compile times and so forth for COBOL 4 versus 6, optimized and not.

The largest COBOL program I have in my inventory is 5489 lines. I would
happily accept anything from 10,000 to a million lines. A pointer to
publicly-available code would work also, of course. I have Googled "COBOL
sample code" but not found anything substantial. Most examples tend to be
fairly simple.

I would need any required COPY members, of course.

Obviously, check with your boss before you send me anything. Send off-list.
Don't send the source code with the recipe for the secret sauce. I would be
willing to sign an NDA assuming it were not too onerous, and would safeguard
and not share the code in any event.

Thanks in advance.

Charles Mills
+1-707-291-0908

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Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members on a system

[Lizette Koehler]

Depending on the  number of datasets you need to do.

A quick process is ISPF Option 3.4 and use PX next to the PDS.  It will create a
pretty listing that might do what you want.  I am not sure how to run this in
batch.



Not sure what the utility you are looking to run would do.

But for quick and dirty, ISPF Option 3.4 with PX might give you some ideas of
what you want to produce in your own utility.

Lizette



> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
> Lionel B Dyck
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:49 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS
> members on a system
> 
> Except that LISTDSI does not list the member names - LISTDS however will
> using the Members keyword.
> 
> Would need to use one of the many vtoc commands on the cbttape, or even
> iehlist, process the results to find the pds dsnames and then do the LISTDS
> for each.
> 
> 
> Lionel B. Dyck <
> Website: http://www.lbdsoftware.com
> 
> "Worry more about your character than your reputation.  Character is what you
> are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
> Seymour J Metz
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:37 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS
> members on a system
> 
> IMHO the best options are ISPF and SAS, but the LISTDSI suggestion also
> works.
> 
> 
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> 
> 
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of
> Tony Thigpen 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 8:11 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members
> on a system
> 
> I am looking for a utility that will take a list of PDS libraries and
> generate a list of all members in the PDS.
> 
> I have hundreds of PDSs on an old system I have to maintain and all the old
> staff with any knowledge are gone. There are hundreds of PDS libraries and no
> doc as to where anything is stored. I want, as a one time job, to create a
> listing with a single line per member/PDS set:
> Member_name PDS_name
> 
> I figure there is something already available before I start writing
> something new.
> 
> This system does *not* have any PDSE libraries as it is OS/390 02.10.
> 
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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Seymour J Metz]

My eyes!


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Steve Thompson 
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 1:12 PM
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RPG, RPG-II and another whose name I’ve forgotten. And yes, I have worked on or 
around these up to 2014.

I have even worked on tools to convert them to another language.

Sent from my iPhone — small keyboarf, fat fungrs, stupd spell manglr. Expct 
mistaks


> On Dec 10, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> Modern? Other than assemblers, COBOL and Fortran, what was the last language 
> that you saw with column dependencies?
>
>
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>
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Charles Mills 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 12:37 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80
>
> FWIW I would love that feature but I have never solved that on Notepad++. I 
> wanted to make just column 72 display red so (a.) I would know if I crossed 
> the line and (b.) I would know if I had my continuation character in the 
> right place.
>
> Most of the modern languages seem to be free format. There seems to be little 
> support in modern tools for column dependencies.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 9:02 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80
>
> Thank you all for your responses. I suppose UNNUM it is!
>
> One last Visual Studio question: is there a way to display a delimiter/margin 
> line after column 72, so that it's easy to visual discern when I've "crossed 
> over the line"?
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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:56:50 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages does not
>even have a column for fixed versus free format.
> 
I understand Python is a special case: indention is syntactically
significant, governing nesting level.

Take "make" description files.  Please.

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Steve Thompson]

RPG, RPG-II and another whose name I’ve forgotten. And yes, I have worked on or 
around these up to 2014. 

I have even worked on tools to convert them to another language. 

Sent from my iPhone — small keyboarf, fat fungrs, stupd spell manglr. Expct 
mistaks 


> On Dec 10, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> 
> Modern? Other than assemblers, COBOL and Fortran, what was the last language 
> that you saw with column dependencies?
> 
> 
> --
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> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> 
> 
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Charles Mills 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 12:37 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80
> 
> FWIW I would love that feature but I have never solved that on Notepad++. I 
> wanted to make just column 72 display red so (a.) I would know if I crossed 
> the line and (b.) I would know if I had my continuation character in the 
> right place.
> 
> Most of the modern languages seem to be free format. There seems to be little 
> support in modern tools for column dependencies.
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 9:02 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80
> 
> Thank you all for your responses. I suppose UNNUM it is!
> 
> One last Visual Studio question: is there a way to display a delimiter/margin 
> line after column 72, so that it's easy to visual discern when I've "crossed 
> over the line"?
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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Charles Mills]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages does not
even have a column for fixed versus free format.

Charles


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Modern? Other than assemblers, COBOL and Fortran, what was the last language
that you saw with column dependencies?


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FWIW I would love that feature but I have never solved that on Notepad++. I
wanted to make just column 72 display red so (a.) I would know if I crossed
the line and (b.) I would know if I had my continuation character in the
right place.

Most of the modern languages seem to be free format. There seems to be
little support in modern tools for column dependencies.

Charles


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Thank you all for your responses. I suppose UNNUM it is!

One last Visual Studio question: is there a way to display a
delimiter/margin line after column 72, so that it's easy to visual discern
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Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members on a system

[Lionel B Dyck]

Except that LISTDSI does not list the member names - LISTDS however will
using the Members keyword.

Would need to use one of the many vtoc commands on the cbttape, or even
iehlist, process the results to find the pds dsnames and then do the LISTDS
for each.


Lionel B. Dyck <
Website: http://www.lbdsoftware.com

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Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:37 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS
members on a system

IMHO the best options are ISPF and SAS, but the LISTDSI suggestion also
works.


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Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 8:11 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members
on a system

I am looking for a utility that will take a list of PDS libraries and
generate a list of all members in the PDS.

I have hundreds of PDSs on an old system I have to maintain and all the old
staff with any knowledge are gone. There are hundreds of PDS libraries and
no doc as to where anything is stored. I want, as a one time job, to create
a listing with a single line per member/PDS set:
Member_name PDS_name

I figure there is something already available before I start writing
something new.

This system does *not* have any PDSE libraries as it is OS/390 02.10.

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 11:01:50 -0600, Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.  wrote:

>Thank you all for your responses. I suppose UNNUM it is!
> 
+1
ISPF LM services has facilities to enumerate members and invoke
Edit in background for each, with an initial macro to remove line
numbers.

>One last Visual Studio question: is there a way to display a delimiter/margin 
>line after column 72, so that it's easy to visual discern when I've "crossed 
>over the line"?
>
Ah, there's the rub.  Could you just adjust your window size to 72 columns?

Might a FLOWASM enthusiast suggest an alternative?  Can FLOWASM be
embedded as an I/O exit for HLASM?  Both SYSIN and SYSLIB?  With
a mixture of Classic and free-form macros in SYSLIB?

-- gil

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Subject: Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

I wrote about the most used instruction, not about the most popular
instruction is the code. ;-)

BTW: the name (NOP) is just common name in IT world, not necessarily
official name from mainframe realm.

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W dniu 2019-12-09 o 22:43, Rupert Reynolds pisze:
> The last time I looked (many years ago) there wasn't a NOP! We used BCR 0,0
>
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019, 15:42 R.S.,  wrote:
>
>> W dniu 2019-12-09 o 11:05, Rupert Reynolds pisze:
>>> Has anyone seen a list of the most-used machine instructions?
>> I know first one: NOP
>>
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>>

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Seymour J Metz]

Modern? Other than assemblers, COBOL and Fortran, what was the last language 
that you saw with column dependencies?


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Subject: Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

FWIW I would love that feature but I have never solved that on Notepad++. I 
wanted to make just column 72 display red so (a.) I would know if I crossed the 
line and (b.) I would know if I had my continuation character in the right 
place.

Most of the modern languages seem to be free format. There seems to be little 
support in modern tools for column dependencies.

Charles


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Thank you all for your responses. I suppose UNNUM it is!

One last Visual Studio question: is there a way to display a delimiter/margin 
line after column 72, so that it's easy to visual discern when I've "crossed 
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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Charles Mills]

FWIW I would love that feature but I have never solved that on Notepad++. I 
wanted to make just column 72 display red so (a.) I would know if I crossed the 
line and (b.) I would know if I had my continuation character in the right 
place.

Most of the modern languages seem to be free format. There seems to be little 
support in modern tools for column dependencies.

Charles


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Thank you all for your responses. I suppose UNNUM it is!

One last Visual Studio question: is there a way to display a delimiter/margin 
line after column 72, so that it's easy to visual discern when I've "crossed 
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Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members on a system

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IMHO the best options are ISPF and SAS, but the LISTDSI suggestion also works.


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Subject: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members on 
a system

I am looking for a utility that will take a list of PDS libraries and
generate a list of all members in the PDS.

I have hundreds of PDSs on an old system I have to maintain and all the
old staff with any knowledge are gone. There are hundreds of PDS
libraries and no doc as to where anything is stored. I want, as a one
time job, to create a listing with a single line per member/PDS set:
Member_name PDS_name

I figure there is something already available before I start writing
something new.

This system does *not* have any PDSE libraries as it is OS/390 02.10.

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Hi all,

Anybody else having issues getting into Shop-Z?  I get a 404 error.  Even if I 
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https://www.ibm.com/client-tools/shopz

then click on the go to the sign on page", I get the 404.

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

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Thank you all for your responses. I suppose UNNUM it is!

One last Visual Studio question: is there a way to display a delimiter/margin 
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Re: CICS term _BLINK_

[Joe Monk]

Set the field attribute HILIGHT to BLINK on the DFHMDF map definition

OR Set the -H map attribute for the field  in the generated data area to
DFHBLINK

Joe


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> I don't remember the details, but you would have to turn on an attribute
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HLASM and editors (Was: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80)

[Pew, Curtis G]

On Dec 10, 2019, at 10:39 AM, Charles Mills  wrote:
> 
> I do however use the excellent Notepad++ with Z assembler. (I have a profile 
> for assembler code if anyone wants it -- write me off-line.)

This reminds me of a question I’ve been meaning to ask: I don’t suppose anyone 
has an emacs mode for HLASM? I use emacs (actually Aquamacs since I use MacOS) 
for most of my text editing.

If no one has already done this, I may do it myself.


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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Ward Able, Grant]

>>> Is there a batch method to UNNUM all members in a list of PDS's?
I guess you would have to write an EDIT macro.
Then write a REXX exec to invoke that macro for each member 


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Hi Peter,

Thanks for your reply.

>> Maybe press the "Insert" key on your PC keyboard to overtype instead of 
>> inserting characters?
>> Or a combination of insert-on and insert-off typing?

Yes, I know that. My question was in hope that there might be some editor 
setting which keeps anything past a specific column as static, thereby 
mimicking the behavior of ISPF's editor.

>> But first a more general question:  Why in the world are you still using 
>> sequence numbers in 73-80?

Legacy code is many source members in many PDS's. But that bring up another 
question: Is there a batch method to UNNUM all members in a list of PDS's?

>> I haven't had any use or need for sequence numbers in 73-80 on an MVS or 
>> derivative OS in over 3 decades.

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

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Hi Peter,

Thanks for your reply.

>> Maybe press the "Insert" key on your PC keyboard to overtype instead of 
>> inserting characters?
>> Or a combination of insert-on and insert-off typing?

Yes, I know that. My question was in hope that there might be some editor 
setting which keeps anything past a specific column as static, thereby 
mimicking the behavior of ISPF's editor.

>> But first a more general question:  Why in the world are you still using 
>> sequence numbers in 73-80?

Legacy code is many source members in many PDS's. But that bring up another 
question: Is there a batch method to UNNUM all members in a list of PDS's?

>> I haven't had any use or need for sequence numbers in 73-80 on an MVS or 
>> derivative OS in over 3 decades.

As you can read, I am ready to kiss them goodbye.

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Charles Mills]

Lots of experience with VS for C but none with Z assembler. I do however use 
the excellent Notepad++ with Z assembler. (I have a profile for assembler code 
if anyone wants it -- write me off-line.) 

My advice is the same as everyone else's: ditch the sequence numbers.

Charles


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Maybe press the "Insert" key on your PC keyboard to overtype instead of 
inserting characters?  Or a combination of insert-on and insert-off typing?

Logically it shouldn’t be any different than inserting text in a regular 
document, should it?  Unless VS has a really funky text editor . . . 

But first a more general question:  Why in the world are you still using 
sequence numbers in 73-80?  Use ISPF EDIT "UNNUM" command as the first thing 
you do for any mainframe code, get rid of those relics of IEBUPDTE ASAP.

I haven't had any use or need for sequence numbers in 73-80 on an MVS or 
derivative OS in over 3 decades.  VM/CMS is a different animal though, I will 
admit.  They are still useful there for source maintenance.

Peter

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Subject: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

Hi all,

Totally new to Visual Studio Editor. Installed it, plus Dan Kelosky's 
IBM-Assembler extension. Intention is to edit source when offline from z/OS.

With VS, is there a way to insert text on an existing source line without the 
line sequence number in columns 73-80 being shifted to the right?

Any other VS beginner tips someone has will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Maybe press the "Insert" key on your PC keyboard to overtype instead of 
inserting characters?  Or a combination of insert-on and insert-off typing?

Logically it shouldn’t be any different than inserting text in a regular 
document, should it?  Unless VS has a really funky text editor . . . 

But first a more general question:  Why in the world are you still using 
sequence numbers in 73-80?  Use ISPF EDIT "UNNUM" command as the first thing 
you do for any mainframe code, get rid of those relics of IEBUPDTE ASAP.

I haven't had any use or need for sequence numbers in 73-80 on an MVS or 
derivative OS in over 3 decades.  VM/CMS is a different animal though, I will 
admit.  They are still useful there for source maintenance.

Peter

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Hi all,

Totally new to Visual Studio Editor. Installed it, plus Dan Kelosky's 
IBM-Assembler extension. Intention is to edit source when offline from z/OS.

With VS, is there a way to insert text on an existing source line without the 
line sequence number in columns 73-80 being shifted to the right?

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Re: CICS term _BLINK_

[Ward Able, Grant]

Carlos - probably best to ask this on the dedicated CICS list 
cic...@listserv.uga.edu you can subscribe here: 
https://listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=CICS-L=1

I don't remember the details, but you would have to turn on an attribute in a 
MAP or in the 3270 datastream.


Regards - Grant.

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Hello all;

one of our programmers wants to make some of the fields in his online App BLINK.

I think it is in the TYPETERM profile in CEDA but his term is AUTOINSTALL'ed So 
if a terminal in CICS is autoinstalled does anyone know

Where in CEDA do I set the extended attributes to make this terminal blink?



Thank you;



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Re: Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Pew, Curtis G]

On Dec 10, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD. 
 wrote:
> 
> With VS, is there a way to insert text on an existing source line without the 
> line sequence number in columns 73-80 being shifted to the right?
> 
> Any other VS beginner tips someone has will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> 

I don’t know anything about VS, but my advice would be to stop using line 
sequence numbers in columns 73–80.


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Editing HLASM source with Visual Studio - columns 73-80

[Support, DUNNIT SYSTEMS LTD.]

Hi all,

Totally new to Visual Studio Editor. Installed it, plus Dan Kelosky's 
IBM-Assembler extension. Intention is to edit source when offline from z/OS.

With VS, is there a way to insert text on an existing source line without the 
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CICS term _BLINK_

[CarlosM Martinez]

Hello all;

one of our programmers wants to make some of the fields in his online App
BLINK.

I think it is in the TYPETERM profile in CEDA but his term is AUTOINSTALL'ed
So if a terminal in CICS is autoinstalled does anyone know

Where in CEDA do I set the extended attributes to make this terminal blink? 

 

Thank you;

 

Carlos Martinez

SUNY Downstate.


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Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

[Charles Mills]

That all goes to the definition of the problem. What does "most-used" mean? If 
I write a macro FOO that contains a single IILH, and I invoke the macro five 
times, is that one IILH or five?

Dead code is just a special case of the question "most coded or most executed?" 
If I re-wrote FOO as a subroutine and called it five times from a loop, is that 
one IILH or five? If I called it zero times, is that one IILH or zero?

Charles


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Hi Charles,
What about Macro expansions?
What about dead code?

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Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members on a system

[scott Ford]

Tony,

Rexx the wonder horse can do it too , ‘LISTDSI’

Scott

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 8:36 AM PINION, RICHARD W. 
wrote:

> Run the TSO command LISTD 'partitioned.data.set' M in a batch job
> executing IKJEFT01.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 8:17 AM
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> members on a system
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> If you have SAS I would use this, because then you can produce all kinds
> of statistics on the PDSs and members.
> - Use PROC SOURCE to produce a memberlist of each PDS.
> - Create a database with the PDS / member info.
> - Produce all desired statistics and cross checks from that database.
>
> Kees.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 10 December 2019 14:11
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> Subject: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS
> members on a system
>
> I am looking for a utility that will take a list of PDS libraries and
> generate a list of all members in the PDS.
>
> I have hundreds of PDSs on an old system I have to maintain and all the
> old staff with any knowledge are gone. There are hundreds of PDS libraries
> and no doc as to where anything is stored. I want, as a one time job, to
> create a listing with a single line per member/PDS set:
> Member_name PDS_name
>
> I figure there is something already available before I start writing
> something new.
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> This system does *not* have any PDSE libraries as it is OS/390 02.10.
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Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members on a system

[PINION, RICHARD W.]

Run the TSO command LISTD 'partitioned.data.set' M in a batch job executing 
IKJEFT01. 

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members on a system

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If you have SAS I would use this, because then you can produce all kinds of 
statistics on the PDSs and members.
- Use PROC SOURCE to produce a memberlist of each PDS.
- Create a database with the PDS / member info.
- Produce all desired statistics and cross checks from that database.

Kees.

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Of Tony Thigpen
Sent: 10 December 2019 14:11
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members on 
a system

I am looking for a utility that will take a list of PDS libraries and generate 
a list of all members in the PDS.

I have hundreds of PDSs on an old system I have to maintain and all the old 
staff with any knowledge are gone. There are hundreds of PDS libraries and no 
doc as to where anything is stored. I want, as a one time job, to create a 
listing with a single line per member/PDS set:
Member_name PDS_name

I figure there is something already available before I start writing something 
new.

This system does *not* have any PDSE libraries as it is OS/390 02.10.

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Re: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members on a system

[Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM]

If you have SAS I would use this, because then you can produce all kinds of 
statistics on the PDSs and members.
- Use PROC SOURCE to produce a memberlist of each PDS.
- Create a database with the PDS / member info.
- Produce all desired statistics and cross checks from that database.

Kees.

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Sent: 10 December 2019 14:11
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members on 
a system

I am looking for a utility that will take a list of PDS libraries and 
generate a list of all members in the PDS.

I have hundreds of PDSs on an old system I have to maintain and all the 
old staff with any knowledge are gone. There are hundreds of PDS 
libraries and no doc as to where anything is stored. I want, as a one 
time job, to create a listing with a single line per member/PDS set:
Member_name PDS_name

I figure there is something already available before I start writing 
something new.

This system does *not* have any PDSE libraries as it is OS/390 02.10.

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Looking for a utility to create a master listing of all PDS members on a system

[Tony Thigpen]

I am looking for a utility that will take a list of PDS libraries and 
generate a list of all members in the PDS.


I have hundreds of PDSs on an old system I have to maintain and all the 
old staff with any knowledge are gone. There are hundreds of PDS 
libraries and no doc as to where anything is stored. I want, as a one 
time job, to create a listing with a single line per member/PDS set:

Member_name PDS_name

I figure there is something already available before I start writing 
something new.


This system does *not* have any PDSE libraries as it is OS/390 02.10.

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Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

[Matt Hogstrom]

Brew is your friend

http://osxdaily.com/2018/08/07/get-install-ftp-mac-os/

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> On Dec 10, 2019, at 03:48, Martin Packer  wrote:
> 
> BTW on the Mac there are at least 3 other options:
> 
> Python
> In-built Apache/PHP
> Filezilla
> 
> I use option 2 most of the time, option 3 occasionally.
> 
> Cheers, Martin
> 
> Martin Packer
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2
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> 
> 
> From:   Denis <01664d8ede6c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date:   10/12/2019 08:40
> Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length 
> issue
> Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> 
> 
> 
> I was not precise enough, I did the git clone in the mac, but it lacks an 
> FTP command line client, so the FTP was done from the Windows 10 in VMware 
> Fusion sharing the macbooks directory.
> Denis.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
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> Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 09:46 PM
> Subject: Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:29:17 +, Denis wrote:
>> 
>> I had the same issue, because the mainframe is not allowed to access 
> anything outside. So git clone does not work.I used git clone on windows, 
> did an ascii ftp upload to a z/OS HFS and then used the cp -F lf -U -M 
> ZIGI.V1R3.PANELS/* //'HLQ.ZIGI.V1R3.PANELS' command to copy. You need to 
> tailor it to suit your needs and do the same for EXEC.The -F lf is 
> required because the records are x'25' delimited. The quote site did not 
> work for me either, I also tried SBSENDEOL=LF, which did not work too.
>> 
> ??
> 
> How ever did you get there?
> 
> The network standard delimiter is x'0D0A'
> 
> The Windows delimiter is also x'0D0A'.  Windows FTP makes no change to 
> that.
> 
> The UNIX/Linux delimiter is x'0A'.  Their FTP software converts to/from
> network standard.
> 
> The z/OS delimiter is x'15'.  z/OS FTP converts to/from network standard.
> 
> --gil
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Hope it helps, Denis.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Prashant Joshi3 
>> To: IBM-MAIN 
>> Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 9:36 am
>> Subject: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I am trying to ftp GIT package from windows to z/OS. Some of the files 
> are
>> FTPed ok but many of them lost the record length. Instead of multiline
>> files it ftped as single line (single record).
>> I opened file in window and those appeared normal text. Some are html, VB
>> script code. I used ASCII while doing FTP.
>> I also used SITE parm for CTRLF, Record length, blocksize but still no
>> help.
>> 
>> Anybody has experienced same issue? any solution?
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> Prashant Joshi
>> 
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Re: Most-used instructions? Just for fun.

[Rupert Reynolds]

I know. Sorry, I missed off the smiley.

I am actually about to do some maintenance work for a client, so I may
start working on my debugging emulator again to use as a unit test.
(Especially if the only debugger the client has is TSO TEST :-) )

That means that this thread may be more relevant than expected :-)

Rupert

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 09:31 R.S.,  wrote:

> I wrote about the most used instruction, not about the most popular
> instruction is the code. ;-)
>
> BTW: the name (NOP) is just common name in IT

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 09:31 R.S.,  wrote:

> I wrote about the most used instruction, not about the most popular
> instruction is the code. ;-)
>
> BTW: the name (NOP) is just common name in IT world, not necessarily
> official name from mainframe realm.
>
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>
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>
>
>
> W dniu 2019-12-09 o 22:43, Rupert Reynolds pisze:
> > The last time I looked (many years ago) there wasn't a NOP! We used BCR
> 0,0
> >
> > On Mon, 9 Dec 2019, 15:42 R.S.,  wrote:
> >
> >> W dniu 2019-12-09 o 11:05, Rupert Reynolds pisze:
> >>> Has anyone seen a list of the most-used machine instructions?
> >> I know first one: NOP
> >>
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[R.S.]

I wrote about the most used instruction, not about the most popular 
instruction is the code. ;-)


BTW: the name (NOP) is just common name in IT world, not necessarily 
official name from mainframe realm.


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W dniu 2019-12-09 o 22:43, Rupert Reynolds pisze:

The last time I looked (many years ago) there wasn't a NOP! We used BCR 0,0

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019, 15:42 R.S.,  wrote:


W dniu 2019-12-09 o 11:05, Rupert Reynolds pisze:

Has anyone seen a list of the most-used machine instructions?

I know first one: NOP

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Re: A minimum of 8 GB of real memory is required to IPL

[R.S.]

No, AFAIK it doesn't work as you described.
Note: there are two things: CPU weight and memory.
CPU LPAR weight is really "adjusted" somehow, especially for low values 
specified by the user.
However memory is different animal. Here you have explicitly showed 
memory increments which depend on total (LPAR) memory. However the 
values are reasonably low to specify single-GB regions for LPAR and the 
values are honored. If you specify (during LPAR profile definition) 
something which is not multiple of increment, you'll get explicit 
warning with clear description.


How can one be sure the above is true? Math. Memory assigned to LPAR is 
also reported by z/OS with no "stolen chunks". Sum of LPAR memory 
regions give total memory available for user. HSA is fixed and not 
counted as user memory.



Regarding reason for using z/OS in low memory LPAR:
1. It works, especially with no workload (think sandbox, simple test, etc.)
2. If you are short on memory, you can assign more to prod LPAR. From 
the other hand it should be analyzed whether adding 4 or 5 Gigabytes to 
prod will cause significant change.


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W dniu 2019-12-09 o 20:06, Jesse 1 Robinson pisze:

It's temping to be parsimonious and reduce storage allocation to a bare 
minimum, but it can be a losing game. Regardless of how little storage you 
specify in an LPAR profile, the hardware itself will adjust the 'effective 
allocation' according to the CPU model. That is, the amount of storage reserved 
to an LPAR will never be less than the h/w minimum. So if you specify a 
fraction of the hardware increment, you will effectively lose any remaining 
storage in that range. It cannot be used by any LPAR.

So you might as well as specify any storage remaining in the increment. It will 
cost you nothing.

.
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I'm pretty sure I've heard it mentioned that Bill Gates said "Who could ever need 
more than 640K of RAM?"   Haha, how times have changed.

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W dniu 2019-12-09 o 15:56, Burgess, Otto A. pisze:

Good to know, thanks

Perhaps IBM is more conservative on the recommendations than they need
to be

Well, not so long ago we discussed whether 1GB is really good choice for 
sandbox z/OS system. The other options were 512MB and .75GB.
Later we increased 1GB to 2GB.
Nowadays I have 16GB ...in my PC, which is old and my new PC waiting for use 
have 32GB. I didn't order anything special, just regular PC.

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Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

[Denis]

Hi Andrew,
does not work, no git clone from the mainframe to anywhere, the mainframe 
cannot do any outbound communication, but it runs SSHD. So the plan is to use 
git/ZIGI with local SSHD to pretend that ZIGI is used with a remote git 
repository for a demo. There is currently no way to have a server that hosts 
git nearby the mainframe.
I could probably push from mac to the mainframe using SSH after cloning to the 
mac, but I haven't yet succeeded to make the certificate based SSH 
authentication work, public key was added to .ssh/authorized_keys and SSHD on 
z/OS set up and restarted to allow for certificate bases authentication, but no 
luck so far or choose the wrong parameters.
Denis.

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Rowley 
To: IBM-MAIN 
Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 11:31 pm
Subject: Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

On 9/12/2019 11:29 pm, Denis wrote:
> I had the same issue, because the mainframe is not allowed to access anything 
> outside. So git clone does not work.

Presumably the mainframe can do a git clone from *somewhere*, otherwise 
you wouldn't install zigi. So you could clone the Gihub repo to a local 
repository the mainframe can reach, and clone that from z/OS. That's the 
advantage of git.

You would then periodically fetch the changes from Github into the local 
repository as required to keep up to date.


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Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

[Martin Packer]

BTW on the Mac there are at least 3 other options:

Python
In-built Apache/PHP
Filezilla

I use option 2 most of the time, option 3 occasionally.

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From:   Denis <01664d8ede6c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date:   10/12/2019 08:40
Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length 
issue
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I was not precise enough, I did the git clone in the mac, but it lacks an 
FTP command line client, so the FTP was done from the Windows 10 in VMware 
Fusion sharing the macbooks directory.
Denis.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN 
Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 09:46 PM
Subject: Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue


On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:29:17 +, Denis wrote:

>I had the same issue, because the mainframe is not allowed to access 
anything outside. So git clone does not work.I used git clone on windows, 
did an ascii ftp upload to a z/OS HFS and then used the cp -F lf -U -M 
ZIGI.V1R3.PANELS/* //'HLQ.ZIGI.V1R3.PANELS' command to copy. You need to 
tailor it to suit your needs and do the same for EXEC.The -F lf is 
required because the records are x'25' delimited. The quote site did not 
work for me either, I also tried SBSENDEOL=LF, which did not work too.
>
??

How ever did you get there?

The network standard delimiter is x'0D0A'

The Windows delimiter is also x'0D0A'.  Windows FTP makes no change to 
that.

The UNIX/Linux delimiter is x'0A'.  Their FTP software converts to/from
network standard.

The z/OS delimiter is x'15'.  z/OS FTP converts to/from network standard.

--gil




>Hope it helps, Denis.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Prashant Joshi3 
>To: IBM-MAIN 
>Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 9:36 am
>Subject: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue
>
>Hello all,
>
>I am trying to ftp GIT package from windows to z/OS. Some of the files 
are
>FTPed ok but many of them lost the record length. Instead of multiline
>files it ftped as single line (single record).
>I opened file in window and those appeared normal text. Some are html, VB
>script code. I used ASCII while doing FTP.
>I also used SITE parm for CTRLF, Record length, blocksize but still no
>help.
>
>Anybody has experienced same issue? any solution?
>
>
>Thank you.
>Prashant Joshi
>
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Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue

[Denis]

I was not precise enough, I did the git clone in the mac, but it lacks an FTP 
command line client, so the FTP was done from the Windows 10 in VMware Fusion 
sharing the macbooks directory.
Denis.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN 
Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 09:46 PM
Subject: Re: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue


On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:29:17 +, Denis wrote:

>I had the same issue, because the mainframe is not allowed to access anything 
>outside. So git clone does not work.I used git clone on windows, did an ascii 
>ftp upload to a z/OS HFS and then used the cp -F lf -U -M ZIGI.V1R3.PANELS/* 
>//'HLQ.ZIGI.V1R3.PANELS' command to copy. You need to tailor it to suit your 
>needs and do the same for EXEC.The -F lf is required because the records are 
>x'25' delimited. The quote site did not work for me either, I also tried 
>SBSENDEOL=LF, which did not work too.
>
??

How ever did you get there?

The network standard delimiter is x'0D0A'

The Windows delimiter is also x'0D0A'.  Windows FTP makes no change to that.

The UNIX/Linux delimiter is x'0A'.  Their FTP software converts to/from
network standard.

The z/OS delimiter is x'15'.  z/OS FTP converts to/from network standard.

--gil




>Hope it helps, Denis.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Prashant Joshi3 
>To: IBM-MAIN 
>Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2019 9:36 am
>Subject: GIT z/OS - ftp to mainframe - record length issue
>
>Hello all,
>
>I am trying to ftp GIT package from windows to z/OS. Some of the files are
>FTPed ok but many of them lost the record length. Instead of multiline
>files it ftped as single line (single record).
>I opened file in window and those appeared normal text. Some are html, VB
>script code. I used ASCII while doing FTP.
>I also used SITE parm for CTRLF, Record length, blocksize but still no
>help.
>
>Anybody has experienced same issue? any solution?
>
>
>Thank you.
>Prashant Joshi
>
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