Re: DFSMShsm questions

2020-05-28 Thread Lionel B Dyck
Wayne - thank you very much Lionel B. Dyck < Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On

Re: Sort extracting values in PDS members

2020-05-28 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Easy to RYO. Difficult to get through change management as you go from job to job. I have a zillion things I could RYO. I prefer to tell the noob to hit PF1. On Fri, May 29, 2020, 07:41 Seymour J Metz wrote: > It's easy enough to RYO. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >

Re: Sort extracting values in PDS members

2020-05-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's easy enough to RYO. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 5:36 PM To:

Re: Sort extracting values in PDS members

2020-05-28 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Sri, A MODEL SORT in ISPF would be good. I often use the other templates. On Fri, May 29, 2020, 03:29 Sri h Kolusu wrote: > > And rote learning makes running ISPF in batch (or from OMVS) > > easy the second and subsequent times. Copy, paste, and edit. > > Gil, > > Doesn't this hold good for

Re: DFSMShsm questions

2020-05-28 Thread Glenn Wilcock
First, I'm impressed that your subject line has 'DFSMShsm' as opposed to DFHSM or any of the other names that it's gone by over the years. Background on the design for selecting the data set backup target tier, first created when physical tape was still dominant - for small data sets, you

Re: Sort extracting values in PDS members

2020-05-28 Thread Sri h Kolusu
> And rote learning makes running ISPF in batch (or from OMVS) > easy the second and subsequent times. Copy, paste, and edit. Gil, Doesn't this hold good for DFSORT control cards?. If you categorize DFSORT control cards, there are just 4 of them. SORT/COPY INREC (can be used

Re: Sort extracting values in PDS members

2020-05-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:15:43 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote: > >Thanks for sharing the REXX execs. couple of observations. > >1 The PDSTOSEQ fails processing members having aliases. (LISTDS does give >you the ALIAS information too) For example I tried with z/OS V2R4 >SYS1.MACLIB > > %PDSTOSEQ

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread R.S.
I think you mean user like SooSysprog. Soo means Single Object Operations. This is complex issue, and it is fixed in 2.15 (z15 machines) - I know that from guy who is part of HMC/SE development team. Regarding z14 and older HMC levels the devil is in user table. 1. Some people do not define

Re: RCF SA32-0974-40 - z/OS Version 2 Release 4 TSO/E System Programming Command Reference - CART subcommand

2020-05-28 Thread Charles Mills
Aren't you glad you took the trouble. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 8:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: FW: RCF SA32-0974-40 - z/OS Version 2 Release 4

Re: EPSILON?

2020-05-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
I don't see any Multics there, and I doubt that it would be easy to port Multics to EPSILON. While S/38 et al were spinoff's from אֶפֶס (FS), I don't believe that it is accurate to say that they *were* FS. My first reaction was that EPSILON was a poster child for premature binding; I was

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread rhaimowitz
An ACSADMIN-like ID can end a task the user SOO'd to the SE is performing and can force the SOO user from the SE.  This assumes that you allow remote access for the ACSADMIN-like ID.Bob Original message From: Jesse 1 Robinson Date: 5/28/20 11:33 AM (GMT-05:00) To:

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
We have remote access to HMC/SE. We can perform most actions remotely, but in one area we're stuck--unless something has changed. Only one individual can log on to an SE at one time because the userid generated is SOOxxx based on the function being exercised. When that userid is logged on,

Re: Sort extracting values in PDS members

2020-05-28 Thread Sri h Kolusu
> If all the control cards were compatible between SORT products that would > be a big help. Wayne, Most control statements are compatible between the 2 products that are in market today. It is just that products might have new functions that are not supported. But there are ways to get around

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
Technically, it's easy. Installation policy varies all over the landscape. IMHO a VPN would address the security issues, but it's not my dog. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

FW: RCF SA32-0974-40 - z/OS Version 2 Release 4 TSO/E System Programming Command Reference - CART subcommand

2020-05-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
FYI -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: Yvonne Cardinal [y...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 9:12 AM To: Seymour J Metz Subject: RCF SA32-0974-40 - z/OS Version 2 Release 4 TSO/E System Programming Command Reference

Re: IODF/IOCDS questions

2020-05-28 Thread Edgington, Jerry
Thanks Ken. I will give it a try and we are using HCD. All the CEC are in the same HMC network. Currently, we have one HMC = one SE. Working that as well. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mazer Ken G Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 10:42 AM To:

Re: IODF/IOCDS questions

2020-05-28 Thread Mazer Ken G
Jerry, We have 5 CECs in one IODF. Are you using HCD or HMC? Either way it's possible to combine the three IODFs into one, I would probably do one at a time. #1) From the processor list you can COPY from the current IODF to a new target IODF. #2) Your SNA Network name needs to match

IODF/IOCDS questions

2020-05-28 Thread Edgington, Jerry
We currently have 3 CECs with multiple different IODFs. Question #1) How can I do combine/move all the CECs into a single IODF? Question #2) How can I update the CEC's IOCDS from a different CEC? What steps are needed to run a batch job from one CEC to update another CEC? Thanks everyone,

Re: DSN SYNTAX (was: ... last node in DFSORT)

2020-05-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 27 May 2020 19:04:09 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >No, it is not correct; it does not check the lengths of quoted components, but >it does check the total length. > IBM agrees, promptly: IBM>Hello. IBM>I am the writer for the z/OS JCL Reference documentation and have received your

Re: Sort extracting values in PDS members

2020-05-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 28 May 2020 13:13:08 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >*What happens if your PDS members contain IEBUPDTE control >statements?TRANSMIT is robust with respect to such things.-- gil* >Depends. If the IEBUPDTE directive is the same as the one generated, you >lose it. If it's different, you

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread R.S.
To be honest, there are few things which can be done on HMC only locally. Very few. One of them is backup on demand on local media (USB stick, DVD-RAM in the past) and AFAIR some other activities related to external media. However scheduled backup does work on USB stick as well as on ftp (ftps,

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread Jousma, David
So not to be pedantic, but it’s the Service Element that controls whether or not the CEC it services is in service mode, not the HMC. If indeed a CE is performing work on the CEC that the SE controls, do you really want to be IPLing it? We could argue all day long. I guess the best

Re: IMS/DLI Macros

2020-05-28 Thread Denis
IMSHLQ.SDFSMAC -Original Message- From: Neale Ferguson To: IBM-MAIN Sent: Thu, May 28, 2020 12:47 PM Subject: IMS/DLI Macros What maclib(s) would I find the macros used to generate DLI databases and screen definitions? Neale Ferguson

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread Mark Jacobs
We're a developmental organization and sometimes their work efforts require a system to be ipled ASAP. I was wondering if a V XCF,,OFFLINE,REIPL would work during the rare time periods when our CE needs to take the HMC into service mode and while they're working, not if they forget to take

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread Jousma, David
I also work some 300 miles from one of my datacenters. The original question surrounded CE leaving SE in Service mode. I cant answer the question about REIPL, as we havent used that, but if you have remote access to HMC, you should be able to get into single object mode, and turn off Service

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread R.S.
You're remote - so what? Don't you have remote access to HMC? Well, I established it approx 19 years ago and visit HMC only for physical maintenance (HMC installation, physical move to other place, etc.) IMHO nowadays it's quite easy and obvious to have remote access to HMC, system console

Re: EPSILON?

2020-05-28 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Did you read the part in the manual about the general registers being 8 bytes long and containing an integer and and address part, one of them controlling the "space" and the other the address within the space? Sounds much like access registers to me ... but I didn't examine all the details.

Re: IMS/DLI Macros

2020-05-28 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
IMSVS.MACLIB On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 4:32 PM Neale Ferguson wrote: > What maclib(s) would I find the macros used to generate DLI databases and > screen definitions? > > Neale Ferguson > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

IMS/DLI Macros

2020-05-28 Thread Neale Ferguson
What maclib(s) would I find the macros used to generate DLI databases and screen definitions? Neale Ferguson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the

Re: EPSILON?

2020-05-28 Thread Timothy Sipples
Unfortunately nobody is able to ask Richard B. Talmadge about his EPSILON ideas. According to this source he's no longer alive: https://www.maa.org/news/memoriam It'd be terrific if anyone who worked or interacted with him knows more about these EPSILON concepts. - - - - - - - - - - Timothy

Re: Sort extracting values in PDS members

2020-05-28 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Sri, I agree with you. However, not all z/OS shops have DFSORT, a good number have Syncsort. I think CA-SORT has disappeared. If all the control cards were compatible between SORT products that would be a big help. I remember trying to port an Assembler E15 exit from a VSE shop (CA-SORT) to a