date:20200805

There are conditions that temporarily disable the Stage 3 Exit Effector.


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   The IRB will be driven the next time the task gets interrupted... note
that SCHEDULEing the IRB does not in itself cause the interrupt that drives
the IRB. If the task was already WAITing, however, the IRB will run.

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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:13 PM Joseph Reichman 
wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
>  I am looking for an exit that will be executed after a time interval,
> in addition I need a parameter. The SCHEDIRB gives the parameter but I am
> not quite sure when it will execute
>
>
>
> Looking at the data area manual for IQE there is a it setting for IQETIMER
> the comments refer to STIMER.
>
>
>
> STIMER on the other I have a better idea of when the routine will get
> control however it does not receive parameters
>
>
>
>
>
> I guess since I know I am running under the same TCB I can do a TCBTOKEN
> and
> then create a name token pair.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: SCHEDIRB with a timer

2020-08-05 Thread Adam Johanson

   The IRB will be driven the next time the task gets interrupted... note
that SCHEDULEing the IRB does not in itself cause the interrupt that drives
the IRB. If the task was already WAITing, however, the IRB will run.

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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:13 PM Joseph Reichman 
wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
>  I am looking for an exit that will be executed after a time interval,
> in addition I need a parameter. The SCHEDIRB gives the parameter but I am
> not quite sure when it will execute
>
>
>
> Looking at the data area manual for IQE there is a it setting for IQETIMER
> the comments refer to STIMER.
>
>
>
> STIMER on the other I have a better idea of when the routine will get
> control however it does not receive parameters
>
>
>
>
>
> I guess since I know I am running under the same TCB I can do a TCBTOKEN
> and
> then create a name token pair.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
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Re: SCHEDIRB with a timer

2020-08-05 Thread Joseph Reichman

Thanks 



> On Aug 5, 2020, at 1:38 PM, mike.lamartina  
> wrote:
> 
> STIMERM supports a parameter.
> 
> On 8/5/2020 10:13:48 AM, Joseph Reichman  wrote:
> Hi
> 
> 
> 
> I am looking for an exit that will be executed after a time interval,
> in addition I need a parameter. The SCHEDIRB gives the parameter but I am
> not quite sure when it will execute
> 
> 
> 
> Looking at the data area manual for IQE there is a it setting for IQETIMER
> the comments refer to STIMER.
> 
> 
> 
> STIMER on the other I have a better idea of when the routine will get
> control however it does not receive parameters
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I guess since I know I am running under the same TCB I can do a TCBTOKEN and
> then create a name token pair.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: SCHEDIRB with a timer

2020-08-05 Thread mike.lamartina

STIMERM supports a parameter.

On 8/5/2020 10:13:48 AM, Joseph Reichman  wrote:
Hi



I am looking for an exit that will be executed after a time interval,
in addition I need a parameter. The SCHEDIRB gives the parameter but I am
not quite sure when it will execute



Looking at the data area manual for IQE there is a it setting for IQETIMER
the comments refer to STIMER.



STIMER on the other I have a better idea of when the routine will get
control however it does not receive parameters





I guess since I know I am running under the same TCB I can do a TCBTOKEN and
then create a name token pair.



Thanks




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SCHEDIRB with a timer

2020-08-05 Thread Joseph Reichman

Hi 

 

 I am looking for an exit that will be executed after a time interval,
in addition I need a parameter. The SCHEDIRB gives the parameter but I am
not quite sure when it will execute

 

Looking at the data area manual for IQE there is a it setting for IQETIMER
the comments refer to STIMER.

 

STIMER on the other I have a better idea of when the routine will get
control however it does not receive parameters

 

 

I guess since I know I am running under the same TCB I can do a TCBTOKEN and
then create a name token pair.

 

Thanks

 


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Re: OT: Federalism and speed limits

2020-08-05 Thread scott Ford

Bob,

We drove 130kph + in Switzerland and France when I lived there. Everyone
was like a low flying jet, but safe, very few accidents.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:58 AM Bob Bridges  wrote:

> Radoslaw, it seems to me two things are going on here.  One is simply a
> mistake of fact:  Speed limits are ~not~ a good candidate for
> standardization.  An upper limit of 120mph would be possible in Texas but
> insane in North Carolina.  You said pretty much the same thing in your
> original post:  In Poland you use 140kph, but in Germany they
> use...nothing, I guess, except the local policeman's judgement as to
> whether you're driving safely.  Why then do you say it should be different
> here?  I'm guessing you're thinking of the USA as being a single country in
> the same way Poland is a single country (so why can't the US have a single
> speed limit like Poland?).  But the USA has almost (not quite) the area of
> Europe.  Of course its geography varies considerably, and its speed limits
> should do the same.
>
> The other thing you're ignoring is the issue of sovereignty.  I'm guessing
> you're thinking of the USA as a single country, and assuming the national
> government can (and should) impose a standardized speed limit on its
> subdivisions.  But as I said in another post, we are a collection of
> states, not of provinces; the federal government wasn't given that
> authority.  Of course the states can individually agree on standardized
> rules for some things (not speed limits), IF THEY CHOOSE TO - just as
> Poland can agree to use the same electrical standards as other sovereign
> nations, for convenience.  But Poland has the authority to decide that -
> and I'm sure there are subjects on which Poland has decided not to go along
> with everyone else in EU, for reasons that no doubt seem good to Poland.
>
> ---
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
> /* Miss Manners has also observed that when children are truly allowed to
> express their preferences, uninfluenced by the dreary adult expectation
> that they must all be artistic and original little noble savages, they come
> out resoundingly in favor of rigid traditionalism.  The devotion to ritual
> exhibited by the average toddler in regard to his bedtime routine would
> make a nineteenth-century English butler look like a free spirit.  -from
> "Miss Manners' Guide to Rearing Perfect Children" by Judith Martin */
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of R.S.
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 09:27
>
> So they make pointless differences because they can. Bingo.
> You know we (Poland) are independent country and we have some kind of
> states (województwo), but driving rules are common and much more
> similiar to other countries in EU than your states one to another.
> And we have the same voltage and frequency as the rest of Europe. Why
> there is no 135V in Texas and 50Hz in Dakota? That would prove "certain
> powers" of those states.
>
> Again: standarization is good thing. You have a lot of de facto
> standards which are good or not necessarily needed. Speed limits and
> other driving rules are good candidates for standarization.
> >
> > --- On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S. 
> wrote:
> >> Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
> >> Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
> >> I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
> >> of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
> >> limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
>
> >> Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
> >> (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: R.S.
>  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM
> 
>  My opinion: I like american cars and roads. However I don't understand
>  common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion too low for the road
>  on desert.
> 
>  BTW: Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h. However in
>  Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars have
>  factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal
> >> to drive 300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit
> >> signs may reduce it.
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Re: OT: Federalism and speed limits

Radoslaw, it seems to me two things are going on here.  One is simply a mistake 
of fact:  Speed limits are ~not~ a good candidate for standardization.  An 
upper limit of 120mph would be possible in Texas but insane in North Carolina.  
You said pretty much the same thing in your original post:  In Poland you use 
140kph, but in Germany they use...nothing, I guess, except the local 
policeman's judgement as to whether you're driving safely.  Why then do you say 
it should be different here?  I'm guessing you're thinking of the USA as being 
a single country in the same way Poland is a single country (so why can't the 
US have a single speed limit like Poland?).  But the USA has almost (not quite) 
the area of Europe.  Of course its geography varies considerably, and its speed 
limits should do the same.

The other thing you're ignoring is the issue of sovereignty.  I'm guessing 
you're thinking of the USA as a single country, and assuming the national 
government can (and should) impose a standardized speed limit on its 
subdivisions.  But as I said in another post, we are a collection of states, 
not of provinces; the federal government wasn't given that authority.  Of 
course the states can individually agree on standardized rules for some things 
(not speed limits), IF THEY CHOOSE TO - just as Poland can agree to use the 
same electrical standards as other sovereign nations, for convenience.  But 
Poland has the authority to decide that - and I'm sure there are subjects on 
which Poland has decided not to go along with everyone else in EU, for reasons 
that no doubt seem good to Poland.

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express their preferences, uninfluenced by the dreary adult expectation that 
they must all be artistic and original little noble savages, they come out 
resoundingly in favor of rigid traditionalism.  The devotion to ritual 
exhibited by the average toddler in regard to his bedtime routine would make a 
nineteenth-century English butler look like a free spirit.  -from "Miss 
Manners' Guide to Rearing Perfect Children" by Judith Martin */

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Of R.S.
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 09:27

So they make pointless differences because they can. Bingo.
You know we (Poland) are independent country and we have some kind of 
states (województwo), but driving rules are common and much more 
similiar to other countries in EU than your states one to another.
And we have the same voltage and frequency as the rest of Europe. Why 
there is no 135V in Texas and 50Hz in Dakota? That would prove "certain 
powers" of those states.

Again: standarization is good thing. You have a lot of de facto 
standards which are good or not necessarily needed. Speed limits and 
other driving rules are good candidates for standarization.
>
> --- On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S.  
> wrote:
>> Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
>> Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
>> I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
>> of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
>> limits vary from 15 to 55mph.

>> Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
>> (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.

 -Original Message-
 From: R.S.
 Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM

 My opinion: I like american cars and roads. However I don't understand
 common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion too low for the road
 on desert.

 BTW: Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h. However in
 Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars have
 factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal
>> to drive 300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit
>> signs may reduce it.

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Re: zSeries and using cloud for backups

2020-08-05 Thread Salva Carrasco

AFIK

- TS77x0C feature
- DS88XX feature
- z/OS Cloud Tape Connection Software
- HSM option
- DFSMS OAM Cloud Stogroup

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Re: zSeries and using cloud for backups

2020-08-05 Thread ITschak Mugzach

Have a look at MODEL9. I know some clients of us that are using it to
backup to the cloud.

ITschak

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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:54 PM R.S.  wrote:

> W dniu 05.08.2020 o 16:45, Edgington, Jerry pisze:
> > To all,
> >
> > I am being asked about connecting zSeries, both z/OS and z/VM, to a
> cloud provider, for a "3rd" copy of the zSeries data.  I believe there are
> ways from z/OS using DFSMShsm to access, both read/write, to cloud data.
> And some type of interface, from the new DS8910.   So, I am wondering, is
> this technically possible? What are the possible connection points?  The
> features a paid features?
> >
> > This is not my choice to backup zSeries data to the cloud, but I am
> being asked.  So, I would love to hear everyone's opinion.
> >
> > For background on equipment and software.  Running on z15, with DS8910
> and TS7770T, on z/OS v2.3 and z/VM v7.1.
>
> It is possible.
> It is paid feature of IBM VTS, Oracle (STK) VSM and maybe other vendors.
> So, actually mainframe OS is aware of VTS connected to the host, not
> about back-end, which can be a cloud.
> AFAIK all cloud backup is encrypted by default.
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Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

The thing many non-Americans don't understand (and many Americans, too, I'm
afraid) is that the states in the USA are not provinces.  They're called
"states" because they were individual countries that decided to form a
~partial~ union.  The US Constitution defines what are the powers of the
Federal government, and specifies that all other powers are reserved for the
individual states.  The states, then, decide what prerogatives are to be
ceded to the counties and towns.

I say this in partial adjustment of Mr Metz mention of Supreme-Court cases.
The US Supreme Court has indeed refined the sometimes-vague language of the
Constitution - deciding, for example, that some of the restrictions on the
federal government (about freedom of religion, for example) are to be
enforced also all the state governments.  (The Constitution says simply
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"; the
USSC decided long ago that the states may not do so either.)  But despite
frequent complaints of "judicial activism", in which a judge issues a
decision based not on what the law is but what the judge thinks the law
should be - complaints which I utter myself, from time to time - when you
actually read some USSC decisions, it seems they pay more attention to the
concept of Federalism than is commonly understood.

Please pardon the rant.  It happen I'm having a long-running debate with my
best friend about this very concept, and the subject is fresh in my mind.

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I wonder how deciding what is a state, county, township prerogative and
what is a federal one works. Probably on a (legal) case by (legal) case
basis.

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Re: OT: Federalism and speed limits

Nah, not that confusing.  Roads mostly have speed limits posted on the roads 
themselves - I mean, there are signs along the road saying 35mph or 55mph or 
whatever - and after you've driven in the US long enough mostly the limits are 
easy enough to guess based on conditions; I can usually tell whether I should 
be driving at 25, 35, 45 or whatever just by looking.  In addition, each state 
has a "statutory" limit; if a road doesn't have a speed limit posted (which in 
my experience is rare), then the state's statutory limit applies.  The 
statutory limit can vary from state to state at least partly because the 
geography varies; in New England it's hilly with winding roads, and it makes 
sense to have a lower overall speed limit than in a plains state where the 
roads are wide, straight and on flat ground for hundreds of miles at a time.

As you enter a town you'll often see a sign saying that within the city limits 
the statutory speed limit is 35; again, any place a sign doesn't say otherwise 
the speed limit is therefore 35.

Occasionally you hear stories about a particular small town having unusually 
low speed limits, not marking them properly and then issuing tickets to 
motorists passing through from out of town, as a way of making money.  
Sometimes those stories are just spiteful complaints by motorists who prefer to 
go as fast as they like, but of course, people being what they are, sometimes 
the stories are true.  But I expect that sort of thing is the same all over.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 08:16

Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. 
Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District 
of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas 
limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row 
(state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)

--- W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:
> Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed 
> limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s Congress (the 
> Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be 
> forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.  Most 
> states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I 
> drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through 
> dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45.  I saw a piece 
> of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen myself.
>
> I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some 
> western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was 
> enforced spottily.
>
> Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked across 
> the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A guy who 
> picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he  
> didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.  But the 
> roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph without 
> realizing it.  Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make a slight 
> noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, he'd 
> glance down at the speedometer and slow down again.  All very interesting to 
> a boy who'd never gone that fast before.  But of course in such flat land it 
> didn't really seem that fast.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09
>
> The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel
> by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And,
> we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over.
> Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for
> long-haul trucking.
>
> Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a
> national 55MPH speed limit again.
>
> --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM:
>> Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're in.  
>> Each state can set its own speed limit.  I am in South Dakota, and most 
>> smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH.  Many of the state 2 lane roads are 65, and 
>> the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about 130 KPH. 
>>  So the divided

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

Generally by litigation going up to the Supreme Court, with arguments 
involving, e.g., the 9th, 10th and 14th Amendments, to say nothing of the 
interpretation of terms in the base Constitution.


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Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

Except speed limits only became a thing long after y'all got together.

I wonder how deciding what is a state, county, township prerogative and
what is a federal one works. Probably on a (legal) case by (legal) case
basis.

Cheers, Martin

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From:   Seymour J Metz 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date:   05/08/2020 15:02
Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL
After All These Years?
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 



Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We
started as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the
Federal system is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete.
Changing them is not just politically impossible, but would be a
logistical nightmare if approved.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl]
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These
Years?

Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
(state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)

--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland






W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:
> Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that
speed limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s Congress
(the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not
be forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.
Most states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now;
interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70,
except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even
45.  I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all
I've seen myself.
>
> I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some
western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was
enforced spottily.
>
> Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked
across the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A guy
who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and
he  didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.  But
the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph
without realizing it.  Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would
make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of
the road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again.  All
very interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before.  But of
course in such flat land it didn't really seem that fast.
>
> ---
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely hard to 
change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from the Julian 
Calendar to the Gregorian calendar.

Yes, Europe has had treaties, and before the ones that you mentioned at that, 
but some things are easier to change than others. Let me know when, e.g., 
Europe gets rid of its royalty (yes, I know that they're mostly symbolic.)


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl]
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:28 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

No colonies were involved in speed limits.
We agreed and standarized a lot of things long before EU membership.
Example could be some driving related rules, Vienna 1963 and TIR.
And US, over 100 years after colonies create different rules from
scratch... no, not from scratch - there were federal rule. In 1994 it
was enough to discuss and agree on some reasonable standard.

--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland






W dniu 05.08.2020 o 16:02, Seymour J Metz pisze:
> Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We started 
> as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the Federal system 
> is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. Changing them is not 
> just politically impossible, but would be a logistical nightmare if approved.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
>
> Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
> Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
> I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
> of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
> limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
> Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
> (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
> It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:
>> Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed 
>> limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s Congress (the 
>> Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be 
>> forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.  Most 
>> states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I 
>> drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through 
>> dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45.  I saw a 
>> piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen 
>> myself.
>>
>> I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some 
>> western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was 
>> enforced spottily.
>>
>> Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked 
>> across the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A guy 
>> who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he 
>>  didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.  But the 
>> roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph 
>> without realizing it.  Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make 
>> a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, 
>> he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again.  All very 
>> interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before.  But of course in 
>> such flat land it didn't really seem that fast.
>>
>> ---
>> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>>
>> /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.  -Poor Richard */
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
>> Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09
>>
>> The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel
>> by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And,
>> we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over.
>> Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for
>> long-haul trucking.
>>
>> Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a
>> national 55MPH speed limit again.
>>
>> --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM:
>>> Speed limits are different

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Martin Packer

Except speed limits only became a thing long after y'all got together.

I wonder how deciding what is a state, county, township prerogative and 
what is a federal one works. Probably on a (legal) case by (legal) case 
basis.

Cheers, Martin

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From:   Seymour J Metz 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date:   05/08/2020 15:02
Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL 
After All These Years?
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 



Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We 
started as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the 
Federal system is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. 
Changing them is not just politically impossible, but would be a 
logistical nightmare if approved.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These 
Years?

Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
(state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)

--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland






W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:
> Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that 
speed limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s Congress 
(the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not 
be forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. 
Most states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; 
interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, 
except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 
45.  I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all 
I've seen myself.
>
> I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some 
western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was 
enforced spottily.
>
> Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked 
across the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A guy 
who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and 
he  didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.  But 
the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph 
without realizing it.  Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would 
make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of 
the road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again.  All 
very interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before.  But of 
course in such flat land it didn't really seem that fast.
>
> ---
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
> /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.  -Poor Richard 
*/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09
>
> The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel
> by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And,
> we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over.
> Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for
> long-haul trucking.
>
> Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a
> national 55MPH speed limit again.
>
> --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM:
>> Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're 
in.  Each state can set its own speed limit.  I am in South Dakota, and 
most smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH.  Many of the state 2 lane roads are 
65, and the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the

Re: zSeries and using cloud for backups


W dniu 05.08.2020 o 16:45, Edgington, Jerry pisze:

To all,

I am being asked about connecting zSeries, both z/OS and z/VM, to a cloud provider, for a 
"3rd" copy of the zSeries data.  I believe there are ways from z/OS using 
DFSMShsm to access, both read/write, to cloud data. And some type of interface, from the 
new DS8910.   So, I am wondering, is this technically possible? What are the possible 
connection points?  The features a paid features?

This is not my choice to backup zSeries data to the cloud, but I am being 
asked.  So, I would love to hear everyone's opinion.

For background on equipment and software.  Running on z15, with DS8910 and 
TS7770T, on z/OS v2.3 and z/VM v7.1.


It is possible.
It is paid feature of IBM VTS, Oracle (STK) VSM and maybe other vendors.
So, actually mainframe OS is aware of VTS connected to the host, not 
about back-end, which can be a cloud.

AFAIK all cloud backup is encrypted by default.

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zSeries and using cloud for backups

2020-08-05 Thread Edgington, Jerry

To all,

I am being asked about connecting zSeries, both z/OS and z/VM, to a cloud 
provider, for a "3rd" copy of the zSeries data.  I believe there are ways from 
z/OS using DFSMShsm to access, both read/write, to cloud data. And some type of 
interface, from the new DS8910.   So, I am wondering, is this technically 
possible? What are the possible connection points?  The features a paid 
features? 

This is not my choice to backup zSeries data to the cloud, but I am being 
asked.  So, I would love to hear everyone's opinion.

For background on equipment and software.  Running on z15, with DS8910 and 
TS7770T, on z/OS v2.3 and z/VM v7.1. 

Thanks,
Jerry Edgington

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Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Mike Schwab

The state highway rules are very close to each other in the US and to
international standards.  But each state sets maximum limits in their
state, just like each country in the E.U. sets their own laws.

The E.U. has about 13 treaties covering various subject matters that
they have all agreed to. including forming the E.U. parliament.

Versus the U.S. which wrote a constitution for a multi-state
government that originally only controlled commerce between states to
other countries.  It did expand to cover laws that applied to all
states.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 9:28 AM R.S.  wrote:
>
> No colonies were involved in speed limits.
> We agreed and standarized a lot of things long before EU membership.
> Example could be some driving related rules, Vienna 1963 and TIR.
> And US, over 100 years after colonies create different rules from
> scratch... no, not from scratch - there were federal rule. In 1994 it
> was enough to discuss and agree on some reasonable standard.
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> W dniu 05.08.2020 o 16:02, Seymour J Metz pisze:
> > Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We started 
> > as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the Federal 
> > system is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. Changing 
> > them is not just politically impossible, but would be a logistical 
> > nightmare if approved.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> >
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> > R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These 
> > Years?
> >
> > Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
> > Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
> > I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
> > of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
> > limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
> > Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
> > (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
> > It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)
> >
> > --
> > Radoslaw Skorupka
> > Lodz, Poland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:
> >> Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed 
> >> limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s Congress (the 
> >> Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be 
> >> forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.  
> >> Most states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; 
> >> interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, 
> >> except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 
> >> 45.  I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all 
> >> I've seen myself.
> >>
> >> I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some 
> >> western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was 
> >> enforced spottily.
> >>
> >> Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked 
> >> across the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A guy 
> >> who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and 
> >> he  didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.  But 
> >> the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph 
> >> without realizing it.  Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would 
> >> make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of 
> >> the road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again.  All 
> >> very interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before.  But of 
> >> course in such flat land it didn't really seem that fast.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
> >>
> >> /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.  -Poor Richard */
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> >> Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09
> >>
> >> The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel
> >> by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And,
> >> we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over.
> >> Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for
> >> long-haul trucking.
> >>
> >> Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a
> >> national 55MPH speed limit again.
> >>
> >> --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM:
> >>> Speed limits are

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?


No colonies were involved in speed limits.
We agreed and standarized a lot of things long before EU membership. 
Example could be some driving related rules, Vienna 1963 and TIR.
And US, over 100 years after colonies create different rules from 
scratch... no, not from scratch - there were federal rule. In 1994 it 
was enough to discuss and agree on some reasonable standard.


--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland






W dniu 05.08.2020 o 16:02, Seymour J Metz pisze:

Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We started as 
a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the Federal system is 
just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. Changing them is not just 
politically impossible, but would be a logistical nightmare if approved.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl]
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
(state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)

--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland






W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:

Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed 
limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s Congress (the 
Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be 
forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.  Most 
states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I drive 
on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through dicey 
parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45.  I saw a piece of I-10 
in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen myself.

I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some 
western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was 
enforced spottily.

Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked across 
the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A guy who picked 
me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he  didn't want 
to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.  But the roads in Texas 
are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph without realizing it.  
Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make a slight noise as it 
pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, he'd glance down at the 
speedometer and slow down again.  All very interesting to a boy who'd never 
gone that fast before.  But of course in such flat land it didn't really seem 
that fast.

---
Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313

/* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.  -Poor Richard */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Tony Thigpen
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09

The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel
by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And,
we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over.
Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for
long-haul trucking.

Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a
national 55MPH speed limit again.

--- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM:

Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're in.  Each 
state can set its own speed limit.  I am in South Dakota, and most smaller 2 
lane roads are 55 MPH.  Many of the state 2 lane roads are 65, and the 
interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about 130 KPH.  So 
the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are reasonable.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of R.S.
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM

My opinion: I like american cars and roads.
However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion too 
low for the road on desert.

BTW:
Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h.
However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars have 
factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal to drive 
300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit signs may reduce 
it.

Re: HSM Query CDS Command Using ODS

2020-08-05 Thread Lukas Silveira

Hi Jasi,

We were facing the same problem for command 'HSEND recover'.

After many tries and researching we developed a REXX/JCL automation for working
with CA-OPS.
CA-OPS catch output and message id ARC1000I.

Our start point was this thread:
https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu=subject:%22Re%5C%3A+Trying+to+catch+output+from+HSEND+command%22=newest=1

Please read what was written by Michael Friske in this thread.

Regards,
Lukas Silveira

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Re: RMM Scratch Processing

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On 8/5/2020 12:11 AM, Mark Jacobs wrote:

This is all I'm getting, nothing else.

EDG6202E FAILURE DURING DFSMSrmm SUBSYSTEM PROCESSING
EDG6901I UTILITY EDGHSKP COMPLETED WITH RETURN CODE 12

Mark Jacobs



Mark,

For these types of errors, look in the MESSAGES DD dataset you allocated 
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Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We started as 
a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the Federal system is 
just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. Changing them is not just 
politically impossible, but would be a logistical nightmare if approved.


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Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
(state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)

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Lodz, Poland






W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:
> Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed 
> limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s Congress (the 
> Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be 
> forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.  Most 
> states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I 
> drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through 
> dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45.  I saw a piece 
> of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen myself.
>
> I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some 
> western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was 
> enforced spottily.
>
> Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked across 
> the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A guy who 
> picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he  
> didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.  But the 
> roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph without 
> realizing it.  Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make a slight 
> noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, he'd 
> glance down at the speedometer and slow down again.  All very interesting to 
> a boy who'd never gone that fast before.  But of course in such flat land it 
> didn't really seem that fast.
>
> ---
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
> /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.  -Poor Richard */
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09
>
> The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel
> by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And,
> we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over.
> Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for
> long-haul trucking.
>
> Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a
> national 55MPH speed limit again.
>
> --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM:
>> Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're in.  
>> Each state can set its own speed limit.  I am in South Dakota, and most 
>> smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH.  Many of the state 2 lane roads are 65, and 
>> the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about 130 KPH. 
>>  So the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are reasonable.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
>> R.S.
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM
>>
>> My opinion: I like american cars and roads.
>> However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion 
>> too low for the road on desert.
>>
>> BTW:
>> Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h.
>> However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars have 
>> factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal to 
>> drive 300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit signs 
>> may reduce it.
>



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Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

The US started as a loose coalition of colonies with competing interests. Even 
after the States found the Articles of Confederation to be too anarchic, the 
states were jealous of their parochial interests and prerogatives, and the US 
Constitution is a mass of compromises that look bad from a modern perspective. 
It's what we have, and there's a huge amount of inertia. Even if there were a 
consensus for streamlining it, the logistics would be staggering.


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I think what baffles the rest of the world is the point of states,
counties, etc setting things like speed limits. (Yes to where a 25
applies, for instance. No to it being a 25.) And, for sure, it suckers the
occasional out-of-stater into inadvertent illegality - which is probably
counter-productive.

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From:   Joe Monk 
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Date:   05/08/2020 14:05
Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL
After All These Years?
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 



"Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand."

It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the
federal government has certain powers.

Joe









On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S. 
wrote:

> Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
> Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
> I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
> of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
> limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
> Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
> (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
> It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:
> > Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that
> speed limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s
Congress
> (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not
be
> forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.
> Most states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now;
> interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and
70,
> except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or
even
> 45.  I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's
all
> I've seen myself.
> >
> > I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in
some
> western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that
was
> enforced spottily.
> >
> > Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked
> across the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A
guy
> who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car,
and
> he  didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.
But
> the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over
100mph
> without realizing it.  Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would
> make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of
the
> road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again.  All very
> interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before.  But of course
in
> such flat land it didn't really seem that fast.
> >
> > ---
> > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
> >
> > /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.  -Poor Richard
*/
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

> So they make pointless differences because they can. 

The same applies to the EU, in spades. You have to understand the history of a 
country to understand the quirks in its legal system. It's like software; a bad 
design decision is hard to change once it's deployed.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl]
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:26 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

So they make pointless differences because they can. Bingo.
You know we (Poland) are independent country and we have some kind of
states (województwo), but driving rules are common and much more
similiar to other countries in EU than your states one to another.
And we have the same voltage and frequency as the rest of Europe. Why
there is no 135V in Texas and 50Hz in Dakota? That would prove "certaint
powers" of those states.

Again: standarization is good thing. You have a lot of de facto
standards which are good or not necessarily needed. Speed limits and
other driving rules are good candidates for standarization.

--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland






W dniu 05.08.2020 o 15:04, Joe Monk pisze:
> "Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand."
>
> It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the
> federal government has certain powers.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S.  wrote:
>
>> Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
>> Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
>> I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
>> of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
>> limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
>> Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
>> (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
>> It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)
>>
>> --
>> Radoslaw Skorupka
>> Lodz, Poland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:
>>> Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that
>> speed limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s Congress
>> (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be
>> forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.
>> Most states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now;
>> interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70,
>> except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even
>> 45.  I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all
>> I've seen myself.
>>> I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some
>> western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was
>> enforced spottily.
>>> Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked
>> across the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A guy
>> who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and
>> he  didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.  But
>> the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph
>> without realizing it.  Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would
>> make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the
>> road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again.  All very
>> interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before.  But of course in
>> such flat land it didn't really seem that fast.
>>> ---
>>> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>>>
>>> /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.  -Poor Richard */
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
>> On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09
>>>
>>> The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel
>>> by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And,
>>> we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over.
>>> Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for
>>> long-haul trucking.
>>>
>>> Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a
>>> national 55MPH speed limit again.
>>>
>>> --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM:
 Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're
>> in.  Each state can set its own speed limit.  I am in South Dakota, and
>> most smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH.  Many of the state 2 lane roads are
>> 65, and the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about
>> 130 KPH.  So the divided highways - at least in South

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Mohammad Khan

Once the argument over who has what powers became really hot :)
MKK

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 08:04:37 -0500, Joe Monk  wrote:

>"Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand."
>
>It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the
>federal government has certain powers.
>
>Joe

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Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?


So they make pointless differences because they can. Bingo.
You know we (Poland) are independent country and we have some kind of 
states (województwo), but driving rules are common and much more 
similiar to other countries in EU than your states one to another.
And we have the same voltage and frequency as the rest of Europe. Why 
there is no 135V in Texas and 50Hz in Dakota? That would prove "certaint 
powers" of those states.


Again: standarization is good thing. You have a lot of de facto 
standards which are good or not necessarily needed. Speed limits and 
other driving rules are good candidates for standarization.


--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland






W dniu 05.08.2020 o 15:04, Joe Monk pisze:

"Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand."

It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the
federal government has certain powers.

Joe









On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S.  wrote:


Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
(state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)

--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland






W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:

Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that

speed limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s Congress
(the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be
forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.
Most states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now;
interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70,
except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even
45.  I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all
I've seen myself.

I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some

western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was
enforced spottily.

Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked

across the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A guy
who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and
he  didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.  But
the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph
without realizing it.  Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would
make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the
road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again.  All very
interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before.  But of course in
such flat land it didn't really seem that fast.

---
Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313

/* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.  -Poor Richard */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]

On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09

The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel
by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And,
we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over.
Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for
long-haul trucking.

Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a
national 55MPH speed limit again.

--- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM:

Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're

in.  Each state can set its own speed limit.  I am in South Dakota, and
most smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH.  Many of the state 2 lane roads are
65, and the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about
130 KPH.  So the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are
reasonable.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On

Behalf Of R.S.

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM

My opinion: I like american cars and roads.
However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my

opinion too low for the road on desert.

BTW:
Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h.
However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars

have factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal
to drive 300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit
signs may reduce it.





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Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Martin Packer

I think what baffles the rest of the world is the point of states, 
counties, etc setting things like speed limits. (Yes to where a 25 
applies, for instance. No to it being a 25.) And, for sure, it suckers the 
occasional out-of-stater into inadvertent illegality - which is probably 
counter-productive.

Cheers, Martin

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From:   Joe Monk 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Date:   05/08/2020 14:05
Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL 
After All These Years?
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List 



"Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand."

It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the
federal government has certain powers.

Joe









On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S.  
wrote:

> Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
> Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
> I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
> of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
> limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
> Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
> (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
> It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:
> > Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that
> speed limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s 
Congress
> (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not 
be
> forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.
> Most states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now;
> interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 
70,
> except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or 
even
> 45.  I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's 
all
> I've seen myself.
> >
> > I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in 
some
> western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that 
was
> enforced spottily.
> >
> > Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked
> across the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A 
guy
> who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, 
and
> he  didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. 
But
> the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 
100mph
> without realizing it.  Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would
> make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of 
the
> road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again.  All very
> interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before.  But of course 
in
> such flat land it didn't really seem that fast.
> >
> > ---
> > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
> >
> > /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.  -Poor Richard 
*/
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09
> >
> > The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save 
fuel
> > by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. 
And,
> > we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was 
over.
> > Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel 
for
> > long-haul trucking.
> >
> > Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a
> > national 55MPH speed limit again.
> >
> > --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM:
> >> Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're
> in.  Each state can set its own speed limit.  I am in South Dakota, and
> most smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH.  Many of the state 2 lane roads 
are
> 65, and the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of 
about
> 130 KPH.  So the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are
> reasonable.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of R.S.
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM
> >>
> >> My opinion: I like american cars and roads.
> >> However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my
> opinion too low for the road on desert.
> >>
> >> BTW:
> >> Here in Poland

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Joe Monk

"Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand."

It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the
federal government has certain powers.

Joe









On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S.  wrote:

> Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand.
> Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
> I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District
> of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas
> limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
> Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row
> (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.
> It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)
>
> --
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:
> > Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that
> speed limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s Congress
> (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be
> forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.
> Most states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now;
> interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70,
> except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even
> 45.  I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all
> I've seen myself.
> >
> > I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some
> western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was
> enforced spottily.
> >
> > Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked
> across the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A guy
> who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and
> he  didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.  But
> the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph
> without realizing it.  Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would
> make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the
> road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again.  All very
> interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before.  But of course in
> such flat land it didn't really seem that fast.
> >
> > ---
> > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
> >
> > /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.  -Poor Richard */
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09
> >
> > The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel
> > by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And,
> > we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over.
> > Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for
> > long-haul trucking.
> >
> > Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a
> > national 55MPH speed limit again.
> >
> > --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM:
> >> Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're
> in.  Each state can set its own speed limit.  I am in South Dakota, and
> most smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH.  Many of the state 2 lane roads are
> 65, and the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about
> 130 KPH.  So the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are
> reasonable.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of R.S.
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM
> >>
> >> My opinion: I like american cars and roads.
> >> However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my
> opinion too low for the road on desert.
> >>
> >> BTW:
> >> Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h.
> >> However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars
> have factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal
> to drive 300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit
> signs may reduce it.
> >
>
>
>
> ==
>
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> XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego,

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. 
Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow.
I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District 
of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas 
limits vary from 15 to 55mph.
Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row 
(state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion.

It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-)

--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland






W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze:

Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed 
limits are set and enforced by each state.  But in the '70s Congress (the 
Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be 
forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph.  Most 
states went along.  The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I drive 
on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through dicey 
parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45.  I saw a piece of I-10 
in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen myself.

I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some 
western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was 
enforced spottily.

Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked across 
the country.  (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.)  A guy who picked 
me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he  didn't want 
to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.  But the roads in Texas 
are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph without realizing it.  
Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make a slight noise as it 
pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, he'd glance down at the 
speedometer and slow down again.  All very interesting to a boy who'd never 
gone that fast before.  But of course in such flat land it didn't really seem 
that fast.

---
Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313

/* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones.  -Poor Richard */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Tony Thigpen
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09

The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel
by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And,
we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over.
Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for
long-haul trucking.

Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a
national 55MPH speed limit again.

--- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM:

Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're in.  Each 
state can set its own speed limit.  I am in South Dakota, and most smaller 2 
lane roads are 55 MPH.  Many of the state 2 lane roads are 65, and the 
interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about 130 KPH.  So 
the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are reasonable.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of R.S.
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM

My opinion: I like american cars and roads.
However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion too 
low for the road on desert.

BTW:
Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h.
However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars have 
factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal to drive 
300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit signs may reduce 
it.






==

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Re: RMM Scratch Processing

2020-08-05 Thread Sean Gleann

On the face of things, someone has changed the Vital Records Specification
somewhere along the line.
This, along with the VRSCHANGE option setting in PARMLIB(EDGRMMxx) -
whatever the DFRMM started task JCL points to - is what is preventing you
from continuing.
I don't know if that setting can be temporarily over-ridden, but
manual-bashing may solve that.
Alternatively, change the VRSCHANGE option value to INFO and refresh the
parameters in DFRMM with a 'Modify' command (I think! - more manual-bashing
required)
That should allow you to achieve your aim.
Naturally I'd suggest changing the value back afterward - such warnings are
provided for a purpose.

Regards
Sean


On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 at 12:19, Mark Jacobs <
0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Thanks. It did. Now to see what this means.
>
> EDG2308I CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO VRS POLICIES SINCE THE PREVIOUS
> INVENTORY MANAGEMENT RUN
> EDG2311I INVENTORY MANAGEMENT STOPPING BECAUSE OF VRSCHANGE(VERIFY) OPTION
> EDG6901I UTILITY EDGHSKP COMPLETED WITH RETURN CODE 12
>
> Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.
>
> GPG Public Key -
> https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 3:27 AM, Sean Gleann 
> wrote:
>
> > The scratch job JCL should also have a DD with DDName 'MESSAGE'.
> > You might find more/better information in that file
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 at 08:08, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote:
> >
> > > I am not using RMM, but I would expect the utility EDGHSKP to have
> > > documentation and an explanation of RC 12.
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > Behalf Of Mark Jacobs
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 9:11 PM
> > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > Subject: Re: RMM Scratch Processing
> > > > This is all I'm getting, nothing else.
> > > > EDG6202E FAILURE DURING DFSMSrmm SUBSYSTEM PROCESSING
> > > > EDG6901I UTILITY EDGHSKP COMPLETED WITH RETURN CODE 12
> > > > Mark Jacobs
> > > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.
> > > > GPG Public Key -
> > > >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get
> > > >
> > > > =markjac...@protonmail.com
> ;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!7J--CkqfH3NkPR86ASrtKKL1JysLyYwHWCGqpNEeFXC54UZUwARZKPHAKjv6Xw$
> > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > > > On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:42 PM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And the msg error is?
> > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Mark Jacobs
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 6:22 PM
> > > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > > Subject: Re: RMM Scratch Processing
> > > > > > Yea. I've looked at that manual, found the job. Ran it, failed
> > > > > > without
> > > > > > giving
> > > >
> > > > > > me any meaningful information.
> > > > > > Mark Jacobs
> > > > > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.
> > > > > > GPG Public Key -
> > > >
> > > >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > =markjac...@protonmail.com;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!9aPYApXHdTv
> > > > JhtptCABSdFPMaTba4-xuRvYqJ3hkFpjy6Vhi47iUg7ht6qo8AA$
> > > >
> > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > > > > > On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:19 PM, Roger Lowe
> > > > > > roger_l...@bigpond.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 16:10:43 +, Mark Jacobs
> > > > > > > markjac...@protonmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know next to nothing about RMM, and need to mark some
> tapes in
> > > > > > > > its
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > database as scratch, I have one tape (might be others too)
> that
> > > > > > > > are in
> > > > > > > > USER
> > > >
> > > > > > > > status and its expdt has passed. I know that "something"
> needs
> > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > done
> > > >
> > > > > > > > to make it a scratch tape, but everything I've tried has
> failed.
> > > > > > > > Can
> > > > > > > > someone
> > > >
> > > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mark,
> > > > > > > Have a look in the DFSMSrmm Implementation and Customization
> > > > > > > Guide -
> > > > >
> > > > > > > it has sample jcl that could be used 
> > > > > > > Roger
> > > > > >
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IBM z15 Announcement Letter

I just read IBM Announcement Letter regarding z15 enhancements
https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/0/897/ENUS120-050/index.html=en_locale=en

At the bottom they write about documentation.

The following publications are shipped with the product and will be
available at planned availability in the "Library" section of Resource Link:

IBM 8561 Service Guide GC28-6998
IBM 8562 Service Guide GC28-7010

Service Guide. This manual is delivered with MES (upgrade) or with new
machine - "shipped with the product".

However it is NOT available in Resource Link.
So, the official Letter tells us lies.

It is not just typo, or "books are not yet available". Similar
information is mentioned in many previous Letters, but Service Guide is
NOT available for z15, z14, z13, etc.

Is it intentional? What is the goal to misinform customers?

Notes:
1. This is not classified as "licensed" or "restricted" material. This
is one of the books comprising technical documentation available to
customer.
2. This book is delivered on CD and/or hardcopy. It is delivered with
new machine or with MES (upgrade).
3. AFAIK this is the only book in such strange state. Other
documentation is available on Resource Link. Everything except this one
book.
4. Do not confuse this Service Guid with similar titles, like Service
Guide for HMC, SE, TKE. This manual is for CPC.

--
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Lodz, Poland

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Re: RMM Scratch Processing com274.282.975

2020-08-05 Thread Mark Jacobs

That seems to take the volume out of MASTEZR and into USER status. I'm trying 
to get from USER to SCRATCH.

Mark Jacobs

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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:42 AM, Bavo Devogeleer 
 wrote:

> Hello Mark,
>
> did you already tried following : delete volume with release parameter
>
> //S1 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01
>
> //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=*
>
> //SYSTSIN DD *
>
> RMM
>
> DV XX RELEASE
>
> END
>
> regards
>
> Bavo
> - Origineel bericht: com274.220.958 -
>
> From: Mark Jacobs (0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu)
>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>
> Copy: gitta.janss...@colruytgroup.com, claude.cuvel...@colruytgroup.com, 
> bavo.devogel...@colruytgroup.com
>
> Subject: RMM Scratch Processing
>
> Date: 04 augustus 2020 (18:11)
>
> I know next to nothing about RMM, and need to mark some tapes in its database 
> as scratch, I have one tape (might be others too) that are in USER status and 
> its expdt has passed. I know that "something" needs to be done to make it a 
> scratch tape, but everything I've tried has failed. Can someone assist?
>
> Mark Jacobs
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Re: RMM Scratch Processing

2020-08-05 Thread Mark Jacobs

Thanks. It did. Now to see what this means.

EDG2308I CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO VRS POLICIES SINCE THE PREVIOUS INVENTORY 
MANAGEMENT RUN
EDG2311I INVENTORY MANAGEMENT STOPPING BECAUSE OF VRSCHANGE(VERIFY) OPTION
EDG6901I UTILITY EDGHSKP COMPLETED WITH RETURN CODE 12

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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 3:27 AM, Sean Gleann  wrote:

> The scratch job JCL should also have a DD with DDName 'MESSAGE'.
> You might find more/better information in that file
>
> Sean
>
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 at 08:08, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote:
>
> > I am not using RMM, but I would expect the utility EDGHSKP to have
> > documentation and an explanation of RC 12.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > Behalf Of Mark Jacobs
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 9:11 PM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: RMM Scratch Processing
> > > This is all I'm getting, nothing else.
> > > EDG6202E FAILURE DURING DFSMSrmm SUBSYSTEM PROCESSING
> > > EDG6901I UTILITY EDGHSKP COMPLETED WITH RETURN CODE 12
> > > Mark Jacobs
> > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.
> > > GPG Public Key -
> > > https://urldefense.com/v3/https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get
> > >
> > > =markjac...@protonmail.com;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!7J--CkqfH3NkPR86ASrtKKL1JysLyYwHWCGqpNEeFXC54UZUwARZKPHAKjv6Xw$
> > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > > On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:42 PM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > And the msg error is?
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > > Behalf Of Mark Jacobs
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 6:22 PM
> > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > Subject: Re: RMM Scratch Processing
> > > > > Yea. I've looked at that manual, found the job. Ran it, failed
> > > > > without
> > > > > giving
> > >
> > > > > me any meaningful information.
> > > > > Mark Jacobs
> > > > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.
> > > > > GPG Public Key -
> > >
> > > https://urldefense.com/v3/https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > =markjac...@protonmail.com;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!9aPYApXHdTv
> > > JhtptCABSdFPMaTba4-xuRvYqJ3hkFpjy6Vhi47iUg7ht6qo8AA$
> > >
> > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > > > > On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:19 PM, Roger Lowe
> > > > > roger_l...@bigpond.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 16:10:43 +, Mark Jacobs
> > > > > > markjac...@protonmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know next to nothing about RMM, and need to mark some tapes in
> > > > > > > its
> > > >
> > > > > > > database as scratch, I have one tape (might be others too) that
> > > > > > > are in
> > > > > > > USER
> > >
> > > > > > > status and its expdt has passed. I know that "something" needs
> > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > done
> > >
> > > > > > > to make it a scratch tape, but everything I've tried has failed.
> > > > > > > Can
> > > > > > > someone
> > >
> > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark,
> > > > > > Have a look in the DFSMSrmm Implementation and Customization
> > > > > > Guide -
> > > >
> > > > > > it has sample jcl that could be used 
> > > > > > Roger
> > > > >
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RMM Scratch Processing com274.282.975

2020-08-05 Thread Bavo Devogeleer

Hello Mark,


 did you already tried following :  delete volume with release parameter


  //S1  EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01

//SYSTSPRTDD SYSOUT=*  

//SYSTSIN DD * 

RMM

   DV XX RELEASE   

END 


regards


Bavo
- Origineel bericht: com274.220.958 -



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Subject: RMM Scratch Processing

Date: 04 augustus 2020 (18:11)



 

I know next to nothing about RMM, and need to mark some tapes in its database 
as scratch, I have one tape (might be others too) that are in USER status and 
its expdt has passed. I know that "something" needs to be done to make it a 
scratch tape, but everything I've tried has failed. Can someone assist?



Mark Jacobs



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Re: RMM Scratch Processing

2020-08-05 Thread Sean Gleann

The scratch job JCL should also have a DD with DDName 'MESSAGE'.
You might find more/better information in that file

Sean

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 at 08:08, Gibney, Dave  wrote:

> I am not using RMM, but I would expect the utility EDGHSKP to have
> documentation and an explanation of RC 12.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of Mark Jacobs
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 9:11 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: RMM Scratch Processing
> >
> > This is all I'm getting, nothing else.
> >
> > EDG6202E FAILURE DURING DFSMSrmm SUBSYSTEM PROCESSING
> > EDG6901I UTILITY EDGHSKP COMPLETED WITH RETURN CODE 12
> >
> > Mark Jacobs
> >
> > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.
> >
> > GPG Public Key -
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get
> > =markjacobs@protonmail.com__;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!7J--
> > CkqfH3NkPR86ASrtKKL1JysLyYwHWCGqpNEeFXC54UZUwARZKPHAKjv6Xw$
> >
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:42 PM, Gibney, Dave 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > And the msg error is?
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > Behalf Of Mark Jacobs
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 6:22 PM
> > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > Subject: Re: RMM Scratch Processing
> > > > Yea. I've looked at that manual, found the job. Ran it, failed
> without
> > giving
> > > > me any meaningful information.
> > > > Mark Jacobs
> > > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.
> > > > GPG Public Key -
> > > >
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get
> > > >
> > > >
> > =markjac...@protonmail.com;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!9aPYApXHdTv
> > JhtptCABSdFPMaTba4-xuRvYqJ3hkFpjy6Vhi47iUg7ht6qo8AA$
> > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > > > On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:19 PM, Roger Lowe
> > > > roger_l...@bigpond.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 16:10:43 +, Mark Jacobs
> > > > > markjac...@protonmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I know next to nothing about RMM, and need to mark some tapes in
> > its
> > > > > > database as scratch, I have one tape (might be others too) that
> are in
> > USER
> > > > > > status and its expdt has passed. I know that "something" needs
> to be
> > done
> > > > > > to make it a scratch tape, but everything I've tried has failed.
> Can
> > someone
> > > > > > assist?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark,
> > > > > Have a look in the DFSMSrmm Implementation and Customization
> > Guide -
> > > > > it has sample jcl that could be used 
> > > > > Roger
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Re: RMM Scratch Processing

2020-08-05 Thread Gibney, Dave

I am not using RMM, but I would expect the utility EDGHSKP to have 
documentation and an explanation of RC 12. 

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Mark Jacobs
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 9:11 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: RMM Scratch Processing
> 
> This is all I'm getting, nothing else.
> 
> EDG6202E FAILURE DURING DFSMSrmm SUBSYSTEM PROCESSING
> EDG6901I UTILITY EDGHSKP COMPLETED WITH RETURN CODE 12
> 
> Mark Jacobs
> 
> Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.
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> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get
> =markjacobs@protonmail.com__;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!7J--
> CkqfH3NkPR86ASrtKKL1JysLyYwHWCGqpNEeFXC54UZUwARZKPHAKjv6Xw$
> 
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:42 PM, Gibney, Dave 
> wrote:
> 
> > And the msg error is?
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > Behalf Of Mark Jacobs
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 6:22 PM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: RMM Scratch Processing
> > > Yea. I've looked at that manual, found the job. Ran it, failed without
> giving
> > > me any meaningful information.
> > > Mark Jacobs
> > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.
> > > GPG Public Key -
> > >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get
> > >
> > >
> =markjac...@protonmail.com;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!9aPYApXHdTv
> JhtptCABSdFPMaTba4-xuRvYqJ3hkFpjy6Vhi47iUg7ht6qo8AA$
> > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > > On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:19 PM, Roger Lowe
> > > roger_l...@bigpond.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 16:10:43 +, Mark Jacobs
> > > > markjac...@protonmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I know next to nothing about RMM, and need to mark some tapes in
> its
> > > > > database as scratch, I have one tape (might be others too) that are in
> USER
> > > > > status and its expdt has passed. I know that "something" needs to be
> done
> > > > > to make it a scratch tape, but everything I've tried has failed. Can
> someone
> > > > > assist?
> > > >
> > > > Mark,
> > > > Have a look in the DFSMSrmm Implementation and Customization
> Guide -
> > > > it has sample jcl that could be used 
> > > > Roger
> > >
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