Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Jim Mulder
Assuming that the universe of discourse here is MVS *as supplied by IBM*, DAS support was introduced in MVS SP1.2 JBB1226, and was never rolled back to anything lower. SP1.2 never GAed, so unless you were an SP1.2 ESP customer, DAS support was introduced in SP1.3 JBB1326. Jim Mulder z/OS Dia

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Jim Mulder
As far as I know, MVS always used only 4K pages in DAT. My evidence is that the oldest MVS IEAVNIP0 source that I can find unconditionally uses 4K pages in DAT. What is your evidence? The hardware storage keys were still on a 2K basis, so two SSKs were done for each 4K page, until the >1

Re: setting up CSSMTP to use TLS-SSL

2020-09-01 Thread Brian Westerman
Okay, I see now. The client cert is available from our email server, i twas just a matter of downloading it and adding to RACF. Thanks, Brian On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 08:21:13 -0500, Peter Vander Woude wrote: >Brian, > >I do use AT-TLS with CSSMTP to our internal e-mail relay. For the keyring,

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Joe Monk
"MVS didn't use 2KiB pages," Yes, MVS 3.8J does use 2KB pages. Joe On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 7:20 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > MVS didn't use 2KiB pages, so I never paid any attention to whether the > 4341 or 3081 had them, but MVS/XA required DAS. Access registers came > later, on the 3090, and w

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Joe Monk
"WTF? DAS requires MVS/SP." Nope. :) It is available via USERMOD in MVS 3.8J. Joe On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 7:01 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > WTF? DAS requires MVS/SP. > > That said, MVS/SP ran just fine on a 4341. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > _

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Charles Mills
And that's better than the obvious MVC of 'JESSE' because? Because with MVCIN 'JESSE' does not appear in the literal pool and make it masquerade as the control block? I find it hard to accept that this method's obscurity would be outweighed by its usefulness. Looks to me like a convoluted solut

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread David Spiegel
Yes. I took care of VS1 1.7D with BPE (Basic Programming Extensions) on a 4341. On 2020-09-01 22:56, Mike Schwab wrote: Well, this is what confused me. OS/VS1 1.7 was released to run on the IBM 4300. VS2 is multiple address spaces, vs VS1 is a single 16MB address space, correct? https://nam0

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 9/1/2020 6:36 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: As for a vanishing instruction, I once wrote some code using the Move Inverse (MVCIN) instruction, which greatly simplified scanning data for a terminating character. Apparently MVCIN was introduced on the 4341 (?) but not carried forward to subsequ

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Mike Schwab
Well, this is what confused me. OS/VS1 1.7 was released to run on the IBM 4300. VS2 is multiple address spaces, vs VS1 is a single 16MB address space, correct? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_4300#Operating_systems On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 6:27 PM Phil Smith III wrote: > > mike.a.sch...@gmail.c

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Tony Thigpen
And, to make matters worse, IBM reinstated the MVCIN on later processors after having dropped it for at least one machine built after the 43xx machines. It works now and has since at least the MP3k. Tony Thigpen Jesse 1 Robinson wrote on 9/1/20 9:36 PM: Instructions come and--believe it or no

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Instructions come and--believe it or not--instructions go. I once read some doc on a newly introduced instruction. Don't remember the timeframe or the exact instruction, but it came with this interesting comment. This instruction, being new, will not cause a problem for existing code unless tha

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
Well, a S/360 program that depends on getting PIC 06 for an unaligned load won't work correctly on a 360/85 or S/370. S/370 supported 2 KiB pages, and those are history. MVS/370 uses SIO, whch only exists in S/370 mode: also history. So carrying an old OS forward has always has issues. Sure, IBM

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
MVS didn't use 2KiB pages, so I never paid any attention to whether the 4341 or 3081 had them, but MVS/XA required DAS. Access registers came later, on the 3090, and were part of ESA. The 4341 most definitely was not limited to a single address space; It ran MVS/SP 1.3 just fine. -- Shmuel (S

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
WTF? DAS requires MVS/SP. That said, MVS/SP ran just fine on a 4341. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joe Monk Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 5:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Phil Smith III
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) wrote: >Well, XA+ machines only supported 4K pages / 1M segments and not 2K >pages / 64K segments. Then DAS and Access register additions. The >43xx series only supported a single virtual address space, like >DOS/VSE. 3090s were the only processors to su

4342 and 4381 ran MVS was Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 1 Sep 2020 14:26:32 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) wrote: >Well, XA+ machines only supported 4K pages / 1M segments and not 2K >pages / 64K segments. Then DAS and Access register additions. The >43xx series only supported a single virtual addre

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Joe Monk
370 supported DAS (the code is in MVS3.8J). 43XX running MVS supported DAS also. 4381 could have up to 64M of main storage... Joe On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 4:26 PM Mike Schwab wrote: > Well, XA+ machines only supported 4K pages / 1M segments and not 2K > pages / 64K segments. Then DAS and Access

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Mike Schwab
Well, XA+ machines only supported 4K pages / 1M segments and not 2K pages / 64K segments. Then DAS and Access register additions. The 43xx series only supported a single virtual address space, like DOS/VSE. 3090s were the only processors to support Vector instructions, and op codes were re-used

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Tony Thigpen
I was thinking more along the lines of things that prevented earlier operating systems from even IPLing on newer boxes. Such as z13 is the last processor to have ESA/390 mode. I also have it in my head that at some point there were changes to the page size and virtual storage tables that caused

Re: Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Seymour J Metz
Typically the new features reqiured by a level set were added over several generations, and each generation added more than one feature. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tony Thi

Architectural Level Sets

2020-09-01 Thread Tony Thigpen
IBM has had several Architectural Level Set points where there were significant changes to the CPU that prevented earlier operating systems from running on them. What CPU's were involved with each level, and what was the real underlying item changed on the CPU that forced a new level? (Let's k

Re: Dovetail/Kirk Wolf?

2020-09-01 Thread Kirk Wolf
Unfortunately, the Tomcat security interface classes often change between major releases and we are required to refit and test our SAF/RACF Security classes. On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 10:15 AM David Crayford wrote: > Steve, > > Maybe you could just also just supply the jar files so a full install >

Re: sort join keys not correctly working

2020-09-01 Thread Sri h Kolusu
> As the 1'st file has leading zeros for some of the records 2.73 are > not getting matched . could someone please let me know how to get > this addressed? Ron, If you looked up the Joinkeys description for FIELDS in the DFSORT Application programming guide you would have found this The keys w

sort join keys not correctly working

2020-09-01 Thread Ron Thomas
Hello We are using DFSORT and we have a input file as follows File- 1 (key 12 bytes) 998962 998969 998976 99905 99921 0001 0002 0003 0006 0007 0016 0019 0073 0092 File -2 (key 12 bytes 2 73 18 100907

Re: Dovetail/Kirk Wolf?

2020-09-01 Thread David Crayford
Steve, Maybe you could just also just supply the jar files so a full install isn't required. A script to install would be a nice to have. On 2020-09-01 10:59 PM, Steve Goetze wrote: Trust me, it's better for everybody that Kirk deleted his twitter account. To the OP - we've updated T:Z Quick

Re: Dovetail/Kirk Wolf?

2020-09-01 Thread Steve Goetze
Trust me, it's better for everybody that Kirk deleted his twitter account. To the OP - we've updated T:Z Quickstart for Tomcat to support the upstream version 9.0.37. You can download the new release here: https://dovetail.com/downloads/tomcat/index.html If you have any issues or questions, plea

Re: setting up CSSMTP to use TLS-SSL

2020-09-01 Thread Peter Vander Woude
Brian, I do use AT-TLS with CSSMTP to our internal e-mail relay. For the keyring, you need to add the CA's that have signed the ssl cert for the server. If the e-mail server is using a self-signed certificate, you need them to send a copy of it (only the public portion) and it has to be added

Re: setting up CSSMTP to use TLS-SSL

2020-09-01 Thread Statler, David
We have ours setup to use TLS from CSSMTP to an internal Proofpoint mail server. We have Secure set to Yes in the CSSMTP config and then use Policy Agent (AT-TLS) to handle the handshake. David -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: M

Re: Dovetail/Kirk Wolf?

2020-09-01 Thread scott Ford
Wolf, wolf . We here have a pack including a Siberian, welcome to the pack ... Scott, now retired On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 8:24 AM Joe Monk wrote: > Dave, > > > > I would encourage you to check whether websockets are enabled on the T:Z > > product. If not, nothing to worry about, and you can rep

Re: setting up CSSMTP to use TLS-SSL

2020-09-01 Thread Stuart Holland
I think the most common approach is to have CSSMTP send the mail to an enterprise (internal) mail server and let it take care of security going out to the internet. On 8/31/20 11:33 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: So does this all mean that (currently) no one on the list uses TLS-SSL to forward th

Re: Dovetail/Kirk Wolf?

2020-09-01 Thread Joe Monk
Dave, I would encourage you to check whether websockets are enabled on the T:Z product. If not, nothing to worry about, and you can report the issue to your security team as mitigated. Joe On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 6:00 AM Jousma, David < 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Th

Re: Dovetail/Kirk Wolf?

2020-09-01 Thread Bruce Lightsey
I sincerely hope that one's existence and status isn't based on being a twit-wit. Only an iron-clad contract guaranteeing large sums of hard, spendable currency on a regular schedule would entice me to join such an anti-social "social network". Subject: Re: Dovetail/Kirk Wolf? If one does n

Re: Dovetail/Kirk Wolf?

2020-09-01 Thread David Crayford
I suspect if you install Tomcat  9.0.37 and copy the zos-*.jars from Dovetails tomcat it will work. On 2020-09-01 6:58 PM, Jousma, David wrote: Thanks Kirk, Totally understand re free z/OS distribution. Any plans to port a newer version? We've got a lot of time/effort in our Tech support

Re: Dovetail/Kirk Wolf?

2020-09-01 Thread Jousma, David
Thanks Kirk, Totally understand re free z/OS distribution. Any plans to port a newer version? We've got a lot of time/effort in our Tech support wiki, and all the documentation that is in it. I don’t want to be forced to shut it down due to the reported vulnerability. Is there a RYO pat

JES2 £DPATH Output Misleading

2020-09-01 Thread Andrew Metcalfe
Morning Listers I am implementing a new NJE topology which involves multiple hops through store-and-forward nodes to the final destination - NODEA to NODEB to NODEC to NODED. I have existing direct connectivity between NODEA and NODED which I am looking to replace with the longer route (the