Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
JES exit 6 > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Brian Westerman > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 9:05 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: rename a dataset in acs routine? > > They would like an approach that didn't include editing the thousands of JCL > sets. > > On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser > wrote: > > >Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ? > >Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output > DD. > > > >Brian > > > > > >On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 15:36, Brian Westerman > > >wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. > >> The programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes > >> that get created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged > >> (because they all have exactly the same DSN). So over time, they ended > up > >> with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around > >> until expiration date. Obviously, these are not the easiest datasets to > >> use later because they need to look up the tape volser every time. > >> > >> The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically > >> catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only > >> 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. > But > >> they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically > >> rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as > >> change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it > >> HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current > time (if > >> it was 11:23am). > >> > >> I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple > >> way, and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I > >> think I can alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is > >> there something I am missing? > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > > > >-- > >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:05:04 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote: >They would like an approach that didn't include editing the thousands of JCL >sets. > Thousands!? Not just one with parameters!? The design is wrong. It will remain broken until it's fixed. Facing a similar requirement once, I appended a minimal data set with a unique name to each tape and catalogued that. I needed to deceive the tape management system; something like EXPDT=99000. I don't recall the details. I might have needed VOL=REF,LABEL=(1,SL) to get to the payload data sets. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
Actually I'm leaning towards the JES or SMF UJI exit as well. File tailoring doesn't help in this case because most of the JCL doesn't get submitted via TSO. Brian On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:41:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Well, if they want to use a chainsaw to open a bag of peanuts, you could write >a JES exit, but the proper way to handle it is for the process that creates >the JCL to generate a unique name. If they're using ISPF it's super easy to do >it with File Tailoring, and many production control programs have similar >capabilities. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Brian Westerman Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: rename a dataset in acs routine? Hi, I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. The programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes that get created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged (because they all have exactly the same DSN). So over time, they ended up with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around until expiration date. Obviously, these are not the easiest datasets to use later because they need to look up the tape volser every time. The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if it was 11:23am). I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple way, and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I think I can alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is there something I am missing? Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
Changing the JCL is my preferred method, but they would like an "easier" way. Also, D09182020 is 9 characters, so would cause a JCL error. But I understand what you meant. :) Brian On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:37:30 +, Sasso, Len wrote: > //* //EXPORT EXPORT SYMLIST=(MNTH,DY,YR) //SETSYMBL SET MNTH=,DY=,YR= //* HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D = HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D09182020 Thank You and�Please Be Safe! Len Sasso Systems Administrator Senior CSRA, A General Dynamics Information Technology Company 327 Columbia TPKE Rensselaer, NY 12144 Office Hours: M-F� 7 AM - 3:45 PM Phone: (518) 257-4209 Cell: (518) 894-0879 Fax: (518) 257-4300 len.sa...@gdit.com URL:�www.gdit.com � � From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: rename a dataset in acs routine? � �[External: Use caution with links & attachments] Mike designed REXX as a programming language. JCL is not and was never intended to be a programming language. This is something that should be handled in the environment that creates and submits the JCL. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JRQnnSFuzw7wjAKq6ti6!mkx1yaW-aw-3YqQyrzTWwpc4Xwrfp9G3-ZFVghxkJr8upxVCmr20Trud5LSTbQ$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: rename a dataset in acs routine? On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser wrote: >Why can't his jobs generate dsns like� HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ? >Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD. > I understand that system symbols are not supported in JCL DSNs because of o ambiguity between EXECSYS and CNVTSYS o queue latency -- the job might run at a time not matching the JCL symbols. (If the actual date and time values are important I understand they may be invalid because around midnight date and time might be fetched on different days, resulting in a 23+ hour error.� Murphy says this will only be a problem when it matters.� Rexx can do it right; why can't JCL?) >On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 15:36, Brian Westerman wrote: >��� ...� So over time, they ended up >> with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around >> until expiration date. >> >> The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically >> catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only >> 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name.� But >> they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically >> rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as >> change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it >> HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if >> it was 11:23am). >> Use the seconds also, as D200917.T112359.� With thousands of entries a collision is likely.� And use YYMMDD for the date for easy sorting of displays. Is it possible to rename a tape data set?� That would seem to require overwriting the HDR1 label, but tapes can't be updated in place. I'm imagining a sequence such as: Momentarily catalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE DEFINE ALIAS HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D200917.T112359 ��� SYMBOLICRELATE HLQ.FICHE.TAPE Uncatalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.� I understand that symbolic aliases remain when the RELATED name is uncatalogued. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
I don't see that you can do that with tapes, the hdr1 won't match the new DSN. On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 07:19:33 -0700, Sri h Kolusu wrote: >>The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically >catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only >1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. > >Generate the RENAME cards in the same program/JCL to rename the file from >HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.Yccyy.Mmm.Ddd.Thhmmss > >Run those rename control cards thru IDCAMS in the same JCL > > >Thannks, >Kolusu > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
I agree, but that decision was made 30 years ago. On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:28:40 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 02:36:24 -0500 Brian Westerman > wrote: > >:>I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. The >programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes that >get created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged (because they >all have exactly the same DSN). So over time, they ended up with about 30,000 >tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around until expiration date. >Obviously, these are not the easiest datasets to use later because they need >to look up the tape volser every time. > >:>The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically >catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only 1 >of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But they >want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically rename >these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as change >HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it >HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if it >was 11:23am). > >:>I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple >way, and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I think I >can alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is there >something I am missing? > >That is what GDG's were built for. > >-- >Binyamin Dissen >http://www.dissensoftware.com > >Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel > > >Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, >you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. > >I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, >especially those from irresponsible companies. > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
dealing with the existing tapes is doable via a rexx exec that submits a series of IEBGENER, but it's the JCL that they want (preferably SMS) to deal with. On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 07:12:15 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser wrote: > >>Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ? >>Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD. >> >I understand that system symbols are not supported in JCL DSNs because of >o ambiguity between EXECSYS and CNVTSYS >o queue latency -- the job might run at a time not matching the JCL symbols. > >(If the actual date and time values are important I understand they >may be invalid because around midnight date and time might be >fetched on different days, resulting in a 23+ hour error. Murphy >says this will only be a problem when it matters. Rexx can do it >right; why can't JCL?) > > >>On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 15:36, Brian Westerman wrote: >>... So over time, they ended up >>> with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around >>> until expiration date. >>> >>> The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically >>> catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only >>> 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But >>> they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically >>> rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as >>> change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it >>> HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if >>> it was 11:23am). >>> >Use the seconds also, as D200917.T112359. With thousands of entries >a collision is likely. And use YYMMDD for the date for easy sorting of >displays. > >Is it possible to rename a tape data set? That would seem to require >overwriting the HDR1 label, but tapes can't be updated in place. > >I'm imagining a sequence such as: > >Momentarily catalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE > >DEFINE ALIAS HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D200917.T112359 >SYMBOLICRELATE HLQ.FICHE.TAPE > >Uncatalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE. I understand that symbolic aliases >remain when the RELATED name is uncatalogued. > >-- gil > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
They would like an approach that didn't include editing the thousands of JCL sets. On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser wrote: >Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ? >Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD. > >Brian > > >On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 15:36, Brian Westerman >wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. >> The programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes >> that get created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged >> (because they all have exactly the same DSN). So over time, they ended up >> with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around >> until expiration date. Obviously, these are not the easiest datasets to >> use later because they need to look up the tape volser every time. >> >> The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically >> catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only >> 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But >> they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically >> rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as >> change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it >> HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if >> it was 11:23am). >> >> I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple >> way, and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I >> think I can alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is >> there something I am missing? >> >> Brian >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
I'm all for editing the JCL, but they say there are far too many to do at one time, (and not screw it up) n Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:32:01 +1000, Greg Price wrote: >On 2020-09-18 5:36 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: >> would dynamically make it HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 > >I don't suppose the hard-coded data set name can be changed to include >dynamic system symbols in new low-level qualifiers which would be >resolved to the current date and time? > >Cheers, >Greg > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
Renaming a tape? The last 17 characters are on the label of the tape so it must remain the same or any use will result in a Tape DSN name mismatch. You will also need to Update TMS, RMM, and any tape management system that uses the data set name. MUCH easier to just create new tape correctly and copy old tapes to the revised name and scratch the old tape. On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 7:12 AM Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser wrote: > > >Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ? > >Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD. > > > I understand that system symbols are not supported in JCL DSNs because of > o ambiguity between EXECSYS and CNVTSYS > o queue latency -- the job might run at a time not matching the JCL symbols. > > (If the actual date and time values are important I understand they > may be invalid because around midnight date and time might be > fetched on different days, resulting in a 23+ hour error. Murphy > says this will only be a problem when it matters. Rexx can do it > right; why can't JCL?) > > > >On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 15:36, Brian Westerman wrote: > >... So over time, they ended up > >> with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around > >> until expiration date. > >> > >> The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically > >> catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only > >> 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But > >> they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically > >> rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as > >> change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it > >> HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if > >> it was 11:23am). > >> > Use the seconds also, as D200917.T112359. With thousands of entries > a collision is likely. And use YYMMDD for the date for easy sorting of > displays. > > Is it possible to rename a tape data set? That would seem to require > overwriting the HDR1 label, but tapes can't be updated in place. > > I'm imagining a sequence such as: > > Momentarily catalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE > > DEFINE ALIAS HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D200917.T112359 > SYMBOLICRELATE HLQ.FICHE.TAPE > > Uncatalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE. I understand that symbolic aliases > remain when the RELATED name is uncatalogued. > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Substituting SYSIN variables via EXPORT SYMLIST containing mixed-case values
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 13:12:01 -0500, Wendell Lovewell wrote: >Is there a way to get a mixed-case string substituted into SYSIN data using >"EXPORT SYMLIST=*" and the "DD *,SYMBOLS=(JCLONLY)" facility? > Rules to remember: o The JCL reader/converter/interpreter *always* takes SYSIN (SYSTSIN,SYSUT1,...) asis and never preforms case conversion. This applies alike to the definition and replacement of symbols. o You must check the documentation of the program that reads that SYSIN to know whether that program performs case conversion. o FTP may regard apostrophes as protecting special characters in the enclosed strings; the apostrophes are not treated as part of the string's value. o TSO has the *horrible* design feature of not always treating strings quoted with apostrophes asis. o ISPF may treat commands entered on the command line asis or uppercase, depending on the panel definition. I don't believe this is well documented. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Substituting SYSIN variables via EXPORT SYMLIST containing mixed-case values
Well John, to risk stating the obvious, "You're a genius!" :) Thanks a lot! Wendell -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Substituting SYSIN variables via EXPORT SYMLIST containing mixed-case values
--- //FTP PROC //* //PS0010 EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=6M //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //OUTPUT DD SYSOUT=* //* //INPUTDD DUMMY //* //XMLFILE DD DSN=SOMEFILE.XMIT, //DISP=(NEW,CATLG),... //* How about using a DD Override? //JS0010 EXEC FTP //* //PS0010.INPUT DD * GET ht.jst0c1.xmi //DD:XMIFILE Quit //* Thank You and Please Be Safe! Len Sasso Systems Administrator Senior CSRA, A General Dynamics Information Technology Company 327 Columbia TPKE Rensselaer, NY 12144 len.sa...@gdit.com From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Barry Snoots Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Substituting SYSIN variables via EXPORT SYMLIST containing mixed-case values [External: Use caution with links & attachments] Understood -Original Message- From: John McKown Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:33 PM Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Substituting SYSIN variables via EXPORT SYMLIST containing mixed-case values Try using 3 ticks. FTPFILE='''lowercase''' On Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 13:12 Wendell Lovewell < 01e9c0ee0673-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Is there a way to get a mixed-case string substituted into SYSIN data > using "EXPORT SYMLIST=*" and the "DD *,SYMBOLS=(JCLONLY)" facility? > > I'm trying to download files from an FTP server to z/OS using a PROC > similar to this: > > //*- > //FTPTEST PROC FTPFILE= > //*- > //FTP EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=4M > //XMIFILE DD DSN=SOMEFILE.XMIT, > // DISP=(NEW,CATLG),... > //* > //INPUT DD *,SYMBOLS=(JCLONLY) > blah blah blah > BINARY > GET //DD:XMIFILE > QUIT > /* > // PEND > > Without the EXPORT SYMLIST=*, doesn't get replaced in the SYSIN: > > EZA1460I Command: > EZA1736I GET //DD:XMIFILE > EZA1701I >>> RETR > 550 : No such file or directory > > > So with it added: > > //*--- > //FTPTEST PROC FTPFILE= > //EXP EXPORT SYMLIST=* > // SET FTPFID= > //FTP > ... > ...and the GET changed to: > GET //DD:XMIFILE > > With a lower-case value in FTPFILE, the job errors out with a JCL problem > before it starts: > > //FTPTEST EXEC PROC=FTPTEST, > // FTPFILE='ht.jst0c1.xmi' > > In the joblog: > 5 XX SET FTPFID= > IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - FTPFID=ht.jst0c1.xmi > ... > And: > 5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER h ON THE SET STATEMENT > 5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER t ON THE SET STATEMENT > 5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER j ON THE SET STATEMENT > .. > > > Although with an upper-case FTP file name: > > //FTPTEST EXEC PROC=FTPTEST, > // FTPFILE='HT.JST0C1.XMI' > > The job runs, but of course that file doesn't exist on the FTP server so > the RETR fails: > > EZA1701I >>> RETR HT.JST0C1.XMI > 550 HT.JST0C1.XMI: No such file or directory > > > > If you try changing the SET for FTPFID in the PROC to allow lower-case by > using apostrophes: > // SET FTPFID='' > ...that passes the string as-is and the RETR fails: > > EZA1701I >>> RETR > 550 : No such file or directory > > > So, is there any way to get the in the GET command to be replaced > with a mixed-case value? > > TIA, > Wendell > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
Yes, and NOPROT should be used only until you clean up the code, but at least IBM no longer has nonrefreshable code in the LPA. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joe Monk Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Searching MLPA module "The MLPA is read-only, unless NOPROT is specified on the MLPA system parameter." So, the default is read-only. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.ieae100/mlpae.htm Joe On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 1:43 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > The MLPA is key zero and it's bad form to put nonrefreshable code there, > but it is not always read only. Unlike PLPA, it is subject to page out. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Joe Monk > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:55 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Searching MLPA module > > Thats incorrect. MLPA is read only. > > Joe > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 9:42 AM Itschak Mugzach < > 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > MLPA is in CSA and is modifiable while lpa is read only. > > > > בתאריך יום ו׳, 18 בספט׳ 2020, 17:17, מאת Peter : > > > > > Apology for being ingorant .. if LPA and MLPA are same then why are > they > > > being placed in a different parmlibs ? Aren't any difference between > MLPA > > > and LPA ? > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 5:56 pm Peter, wrote: > > > > > > > We have a MLPA module from adabas which got loaded But we aren't able > > to > > > > trace from which dataset it was loaded. > > > > > > > > Is there a way to know the dataset name from which or where it is > > saved ? > > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 4:16 pm Itschak Mugzach, < > > > > 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Peter, > > > >> > > > >> There are some 3rd party products that load modules to modified LPA > > (CSA > > > >> or > > > >> ECSA) as they start. They do it dynamically so if they don't start, > > you > > > >> save the storage. > > > >> > > > >> ITschak > > > >> > > > >> *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** > IronSphere > > > >> Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, > > > zLinux > > > >> and IBM I **| * > > > >> > > > >> *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 > 986404 > > > >> **|* > > > >> *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1uYnAuN5Ol9abEOzh6GC-P1tZbk86urrVNMwVjYQIOlgTTKT4QSFQUFWraW13edzSO87wcJpA_vlV83vjhQ6pNhwF_TPNNPinlw5-2OILY5iiPF6DCNEZf4V-snl77CC0ryDjJKX1IXqCSzVhmJyKDOHkeEPJVg5n3quERi5iKXNa8lPNRGG-nmnINU7l5ZqjQng3vMroYdM7NK9E6v8PUHuVZI_x-Os9BGacDvzUahCMk5zMagXS8ROJaZQrz6y5-pGJViFEhcRs27I7fmMZLvNqMg6NpG-7hBpElMxKW6HcMnUxUawEKd8vBATe_5Yk6i8ofPMrlUQJgXqbkyA_tdm5NN2iHk0LTeqaqQLvNDvmGIHfZWuID3FID6Syv2zm4lihXQEkcf_AZEnOmVCu2hkzgEziOHKxVOokp5hlF5Gs2Y3jvSeTxRhvRxd67TM9/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.Securiteam.co.il > **|* > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:06 PM Peter Relson > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA > > module ? > > > >> > > > > >> > What do you mean by "search the loaded MLPA module"? > > > >> > > > > >> > A program can use CSVQUERY to locate the address of a module in > LPA > > > >> > (whether PLPA, MLPA, FLPA, or dynamic LPA), just as it can use > LOAD > > > and > > > >> > then DELETE (CSVQUERY typically has less overhead than that pair > of > > > >> > operations). > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to > > > understand > > > >> if > > > >> > it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL > > > >> > > > > >> > I do not understand this sentence either. Nothing loads "via > MLPA". > > > Some > > > >> > things might require that their parts be in LPA. Is that what you > > > meant? > > > >> > If a program wants to put module(s) into LPA it can use the > CSVDYLPA > > > >> > macro. If a customer wants to put module(s) in LPA it can use the > > LPA > > > >> > statement of the PROGxx parmlib member or the SETPROG LPA command. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Peter Relson > > > >> > z/OS Core Technology Design > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > > > >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > >> > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > > IBM-MAIN > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Searching MLPA module
"The MLPA is read-only, unless NOPROT is specified on the MLPA system parameter." So, the default is read-only. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.ieae100/mlpae.htm Joe On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 1:43 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > The MLPA is key zero and it's bad form to put nonrefreshable code there, > but it is not always read only. Unlike PLPA, it is subject to page out. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Joe Monk > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:55 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Searching MLPA module > > Thats incorrect. MLPA is read only. > > Joe > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 9:42 AM Itschak Mugzach < > 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > MLPA is in CSA and is modifiable while lpa is read only. > > > > בתאריך יום ו׳, 18 בספט׳ 2020, 17:17, מאת Peter : > > > > > Apology for being ingorant .. if LPA and MLPA are same then why are > they > > > being placed in a different parmlibs ? Aren't any difference between > MLPA > > > and LPA ? > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 5:56 pm Peter, wrote: > > > > > > > We have a MLPA module from adabas which got loaded But we aren't able > > to > > > > trace from which dataset it was loaded. > > > > > > > > Is there a way to know the dataset name from which or where it is > > saved ? > > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 4:16 pm Itschak Mugzach, < > > > > 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Peter, > > > >> > > > >> There are some 3rd party products that load modules to modified LPA > > (CSA > > > >> or > > > >> ECSA) as they start. They do it dynamically so if they don't start, > > you > > > >> save the storage. > > > >> > > > >> ITschak > > > >> > > > >> *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** > IronSphere > > > >> Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, > > > zLinux > > > >> and IBM I **| * > > > >> > > > >> *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 > 986404 > > > >> **|* > > > >> *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1uYnAuN5Ol9abEOzh6GC-P1tZbk86urrVNMwVjYQIOlgTTKT4QSFQUFWraW13edzSO87wcJpA_vlV83vjhQ6pNhwF_TPNNPinlw5-2OILY5iiPF6DCNEZf4V-snl77CC0ryDjJKX1IXqCSzVhmJyKDOHkeEPJVg5n3quERi5iKXNa8lPNRGG-nmnINU7l5ZqjQng3vMroYdM7NK9E6v8PUHuVZI_x-Os9BGacDvzUahCMk5zMagXS8ROJaZQrz6y5-pGJViFEhcRs27I7fmMZLvNqMg6NpG-7hBpElMxKW6HcMnUxUawEKd8vBATe_5Yk6i8ofPMrlUQJgXqbkyA_tdm5NN2iHk0LTeqaqQLvNDvmGIHfZWuID3FID6Syv2zm4lihXQEkcf_AZEnOmVCu2hkzgEziOHKxVOokp5hlF5Gs2Y3jvSeTxRhvRxd67TM9/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.Securiteam.co.il > **|* > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:06 PM Peter Relson > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA > > module ? > > > >> > > > > >> > What do you mean by "search the loaded MLPA module"? > > > >> > > > > >> > A program can use CSVQUERY to locate the address of a module in > LPA > > > >> > (whether PLPA, MLPA, FLPA, or dynamic LPA), just as it can use > LOAD > > > and > > > >> > then DELETE (CSVQUERY typically has less overhead than that pair > of > > > >> > operations). > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to > > > understand > > > >> if > > > >> > it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL > > > >> > > > > >> > I do not understand this sentence either. Nothing loads "via > MLPA". > > > Some > > > >> > things might require that their parts be in LPA. Is that what you > > > meant? > > > >> > If a program wants to put module(s) into LPA it can use the > CSVDYLPA > > > >> > macro. If a customer wants to put module(s) in LPA it can use the > > LPA > > > >> > statement of the PROGxx parmlib member or the SETPROG LPA command. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Peter Relson > > > >> > z/OS Core Technology Design > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > > > >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > >> > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > > IBM-MAIN > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to
Re: Substituting SYSIN variables via EXPORT SYMLIST containing mixed-case values
Understood -Original Message- From: John McKown Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:33 PM Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Substituting SYSIN variables via EXPORT SYMLIST containing mixed-case values Try using 3 ticks. FTPFILE='''lowercase''' On Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 13:12 Wendell Lovewell < 01e9c0ee0673-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Is there a way to get a mixed-case string substituted into SYSIN data using "EXPORT SYMLIST=*" and the "DD *,SYMBOLS=(JCLONLY)" facility? I'm trying to download files from an FTP server to z/OS using a PROC similar to this: //*- //FTPTEST PROC FTPFILE= //*- //FTP EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=4M //XMIFILE DD DSN=SOMEFILE.XMIT, // DISP=(NEW,CATLG),... //* //INPUTDD *,SYMBOLS=(JCLONLY) blah blah blah BINARY GET //DD:XMIFILE QUIT /* // PEND Without the EXPORT SYMLIST=*, doesn't get replaced in the SYSIN: EZA1460I Command: EZA1736I GET //DD:XMIFILE EZA1701I >>> RETR 550 : No such file or directory So with it added: //*--- //FTPTEST PROC FTPFILE= //EXPEXPORT SYMLIST=* // SET FTPFID= //FTP ... ...and the GET changed to: GET //DD:XMIFILE With a lower-case value in FTPFILE, the job errors out with a JCL problem before it starts: //FTPTEST EXEC PROC=FTPTEST, // FTPFILE='ht.jst0c1.xmi' In the joblog: 5 XX SETFTPFID= IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - FTPFID=ht.jst0c1.xmi ... And: 5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER h ON THE SET STATEMENT 5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER t ON THE SET STATEMENT 5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER j ON THE SET STATEMENT .. Although with an upper-case FTP file name: //FTPTEST EXEC PROC=FTPTEST, // FTPFILE='HT.JST0C1.XMI' The job runs, but of course that file doesn't exist on the FTP server so the RETR fails: EZA1701I >>> RETR HT.JST0C1.XMI 550 HT.JST0C1.XMI: No such file or directory If you try changing the SET for FTPFID in the PROC to allow lower-case by using apostrophes: // SETFTPFID='' ...that passes the string as-is and the RETR fails: EZA1701I >>> RETR 550 : No such file or directory So, is there any way to get the in the GET command to be replaced with a mixed-case value? TIA, Wendell -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
The MLPA is key zero and it's bad form to put nonrefreshable code there, but it is not always read only. Unlike PLPA, it is subject to page out. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joe Monk Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Searching MLPA module Thats incorrect. MLPA is read only. Joe On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 9:42 AM Itschak Mugzach < 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > MLPA is in CSA and is modifiable while lpa is read only. > > בתאריך יום ו׳, 18 בספט׳ 2020, 17:17, מאת Peter : > > > Apology for being ingorant .. if LPA and MLPA are same then why are they > > being placed in a different parmlibs ? Aren't any difference between MLPA > > and LPA ? > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 5:56 pm Peter, wrote: > > > > > We have a MLPA module from adabas which got loaded But we aren't able > to > > > trace from which dataset it was loaded. > > > > > > Is there a way to know the dataset name from which or where it is > saved ? > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 4:16 pm Itschak Mugzach, < > > > 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > >> Peter, > > >> > > >> There are some 3rd party products that load modules to modified LPA > (CSA > > >> or > > >> ECSA) as they start. They do it dynamically so if they don't start, > you > > >> save the storage. > > >> > > >> ITschak > > >> > > >> *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere > > >> Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, > > zLinux > > >> and IBM I **| * > > >> > > >> *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 > > >> **|* > > >> *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: > > >> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1uYnAuN5Ol9abEOzh6GC-P1tZbk86urrVNMwVjYQIOlgTTKT4QSFQUFWraW13edzSO87wcJpA_vlV83vjhQ6pNhwF_TPNNPinlw5-2OILY5iiPF6DCNEZf4V-snl77CC0ryDjJKX1IXqCSzVhmJyKDOHkeEPJVg5n3quERi5iKXNa8lPNRGG-nmnINU7l5ZqjQng3vMroYdM7NK9E6v8PUHuVZI_x-Os9BGacDvzUahCMk5zMagXS8ROJaZQrz6y5-pGJViFEhcRs27I7fmMZLvNqMg6NpG-7hBpElMxKW6HcMnUxUawEKd8vBATe_5Yk6i8ofPMrlUQJgXqbkyA_tdm5NN2iHk0LTeqaqQLvNDvmGIHfZWuID3FID6Syv2zm4lihXQEkcf_AZEnOmVCu2hkzgEziOHKxVOokp5hlF5Gs2Y3jvSeTxRhvRxd67TM9/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.Securiteam.co.il > > >> **|* > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:06 PM Peter Relson > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA > module ? > > >> > > > >> > What do you mean by "search the loaded MLPA module"? > > >> > > > >> > A program can use CSVQUERY to locate the address of a module in LPA > > >> > (whether PLPA, MLPA, FLPA, or dynamic LPA), just as it can use LOAD > > and > > >> > then DELETE (CSVQUERY typically has less overhead than that pair of > > >> > operations). > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to > > understand > > >> if > > >> > it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL > > >> > > > >> > I do not understand this sentence either. Nothing loads "via MLPA". > > Some > > >> > things might require that their parts be in LPA. Is that what you > > meant? > > >> > If a program wants to put module(s) into LPA it can use the CSVDYLPA > > >> > macro. If a customer wants to put module(s) in LPA it can use the > LPA > > >> > statement of the PROGxx parmlib member or the SETPROG LPA command. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Peter Relson > > >> > z/OS Core Technology Design > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > > >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > >> > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > >> > > > >> > > >> -- > > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Substituting SYSIN variables via EXPORT SYMLIST containing mixed-case values
Try using 3 ticks. FTPFILE='''lowercase''' On Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 13:12 Wendell Lovewell < 01e9c0ee0673-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Is there a way to get a mixed-case string substituted into SYSIN data > using "EXPORT SYMLIST=*" and the "DD *,SYMBOLS=(JCLONLY)" facility? > > I'm trying to download files from an FTP server to z/OS using a PROC > similar to this: > > //*- > //FTPTEST PROC FTPFILE= > //*- > //FTP EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=4M > //XMIFILE DD DSN=SOMEFILE.XMIT, > // DISP=(NEW,CATLG),... > //* > //INPUTDD *,SYMBOLS=(JCLONLY) > blah blah blah > BINARY > GET //DD:XMIFILE > QUIT > /* > // PEND > > Without the EXPORT SYMLIST=*, doesn't get replaced in the SYSIN: > > EZA1460I Command: > EZA1736I GET //DD:XMIFILE > EZA1701I >>> RETR > 550 : No such file or directory > > > So with it added: > > //*--- > //FTPTEST PROC FTPFILE= > //EXPEXPORT SYMLIST=* > // SET FTPFID= > //FTP > ... > ...and the GET changed to: > GET //DD:XMIFILE > > With a lower-case value in FTPFILE, the job errors out with a JCL problem > before it starts: > > //FTPTEST EXEC PROC=FTPTEST, > // FTPFILE='ht.jst0c1.xmi' > > In the joblog: >5 XX SETFTPFID= > IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - FTPFID=ht.jst0c1.xmi > ... > And: >5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER h ON THE SET STATEMENT >5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER t ON THE SET STATEMENT >5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER j ON THE SET STATEMENT > .. > > > Although with an upper-case FTP file name: > > //FTPTEST EXEC PROC=FTPTEST, > // FTPFILE='HT.JST0C1.XMI' > > The job runs, but of course that file doesn't exist on the FTP server so > the RETR fails: > > EZA1701I >>> RETR HT.JST0C1.XMI > 550 HT.JST0C1.XMI: No such file or directory > > > > If you try changing the SET for FTPFID in the PROC to allow lower-case by > using apostrophes: > // SETFTPFID='' > ...that passes the string as-is and the RETR fails: > > EZA1701I >>> RETR > 550 : No such file or directory > > > So, is there any way to get the in the GET command to be replaced > with a mixed-case value? > > TIA, > Wendell > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Substituting SYSIN variables via EXPORT SYMLIST containing mixed-case values
Is there a way to get a mixed-case string substituted into SYSIN data using "EXPORT SYMLIST=*" and the "DD *,SYMBOLS=(JCLONLY)" facility? I'm trying to download files from an FTP server to z/OS using a PROC similar to this: //*- //FTPTEST PROC FTPFILE= //*- //FTP EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=4M //XMIFILE DD DSN=SOMEFILE.XMIT, // DISP=(NEW,CATLG),... //* //INPUTDD *,SYMBOLS=(JCLONLY) blah blah blah BINARY GET //DD:XMIFILE QUIT /* // PEND Without the EXPORT SYMLIST=*, doesn't get replaced in the SYSIN: EZA1460I Command: EZA1736I GET //DD:XMIFILE EZA1701I >>> RETR 550 : No such file or directory So with it added: //*--- //FTPTEST PROC FTPFILE= //EXPEXPORT SYMLIST=* // SET FTPFID= //FTP ... ...and the GET changed to: GET //DD:XMIFILE With a lower-case value in FTPFILE, the job errors out with a JCL problem before it starts: //FTPTEST EXEC PROC=FTPTEST, // FTPFILE='ht.jst0c1.xmi' In the joblog: 5 XX SETFTPFID= IEFC653I SUBSTITUTION JCL - FTPFID=ht.jst0c1.xmi ... And: 5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER h ON THE SET STATEMENT 5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER t ON THE SET STATEMENT 5 IEFC620I UNIDENTIFIABLE CHARACTER j ON THE SET STATEMENT .. Although with an upper-case FTP file name: //FTPTEST EXEC PROC=FTPTEST, // FTPFILE='HT.JST0C1.XMI' The job runs, but of course that file doesn't exist on the FTP server so the RETR fails: EZA1701I >>> RETR HT.JST0C1.XMI 550 HT.JST0C1.XMI: No such file or directory If you try changing the SET for FTPFID in the PROC to allow lower-case by using apostrophes: // SETFTPFID='' ...that passes the string as-is and the RETR fails: EZA1701I >>> RETR 550 : No such file or directory So, is there any way to get the in the GET command to be replaced with a mixed-case value? TIA, Wendell -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
By default, yes. OP can specify the NOPROT option on the MLPA=xx specification in IEASYSxx. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, September 18, 2020 12:55 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > Thats incorrect. MLPA is read only. > > Joe > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 9:42 AM Itschak Mugzach < > 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > MLPA is in CSA and is modifiable while lpa is read only. > > בתאריך יום ו׳, 18 בספט׳ 2020, 17:17, מאת Peter dbajava...@gmail.com: > > > > > Apology for being ingorant .. if LPA and MLPA are same then why are they > > > being placed in a different parmlibs ? Aren't any difference between MLPA > > > and LPA ? > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 5:56 pm Peter, dbajava...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > We have a MLPA module from adabas which got loaded But we aren't able > > > > to > > > > > > > trace from which dataset it was loaded. > > > > Is there a way to know the dataset name from which or where it is > > > > saved ? > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 4:16 pm Itschak Mugzach, < > > > > 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > There are some 3rd party products that load modules to modified LPA > > > > > (CSA > > > > > > > > or > > > > > ECSA) as they start. They do it dynamically so if they don't start, > > > > > you > > > > > > > > save the storage. > > > > > ITschak > > > > > *| *Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software | IronSphere > > > > > Platform | *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS,zLinux > > > > > > > > > and IBM I **| * > > > > > | Email*: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il | Mob: +972 522 986404 > > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > Skype: ItschakMugzach | Web: www.Securiteam.co.il *|On Fri, Sep 18, > > > > > 2020 at 3:06 PM Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA > > > > > > module ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean by "search the loaded MLPA module"? > > > > > > A program can use CSVQUERY to locate the address of a module in LPA > > > > > > (whether PLPA, MLPA, FLPA, or dynamic LPA), just as it can use LOAD > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > then DELETE (CSVQUERY typically has less overhead than that pair of > > > > > > operations). > > > > > > > > > > > > We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not understand this sentence either. Nothing loads "via MLPA". > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > > things might require that their parts be in LPA. Is that what you > > > > > > meant? > > > > > > > > > > If a program wants to put module(s) into LPA it can use the CSVDYLPA > > > > > > macro. If a customer wants to put module(s) in LPA it can use the > > > > > > LPA > > > > > > > > > statement of the PROGxx parmlib member or the SETPROG LPA command. > > > > > > Peter Relson > > > > > > z/OS Core Technology Design > > > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > > > > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > > > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
Thats incorrect. MLPA is read only. Joe On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 9:42 AM Itschak Mugzach < 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > MLPA is in CSA and is modifiable while lpa is read only. > > בתאריך יום ו׳, 18 בספט׳ 2020, 17:17, מאת Peter : > > > Apology for being ingorant .. if LPA and MLPA are same then why are they > > being placed in a different parmlibs ? Aren't any difference between MLPA > > and LPA ? > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 5:56 pm Peter, wrote: > > > > > We have a MLPA module from adabas which got loaded But we aren't able > to > > > trace from which dataset it was loaded. > > > > > > Is there a way to know the dataset name from which or where it is > saved ? > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 4:16 pm Itschak Mugzach, < > > > 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > >> Peter, > > >> > > >> There are some 3rd party products that load modules to modified LPA > (CSA > > >> or > > >> ECSA) as they start. They do it dynamically so if they don't start, > you > > >> save the storage. > > >> > > >> ITschak > > >> > > >> *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere > > >> Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, > > zLinux > > >> and IBM I **| * > > >> > > >> *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 > > >> **|* > > >> *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: www.Securiteam.co.il **|* > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:06 PM Peter Relson > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA > module ? > > >> > > > >> > What do you mean by "search the loaded MLPA module"? > > >> > > > >> > A program can use CSVQUERY to locate the address of a module in LPA > > >> > (whether PLPA, MLPA, FLPA, or dynamic LPA), just as it can use LOAD > > and > > >> > then DELETE (CSVQUERY typically has less overhead than that pair of > > >> > operations). > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to > > understand > > >> if > > >> > it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL > > >> > > > >> > I do not understand this sentence either. Nothing loads "via MLPA". > > Some > > >> > things might require that their parts be in LPA. Is that what you > > meant? > > >> > If a program wants to put module(s) into LPA it can use the CSVDYLPA > > >> > macro. If a customer wants to put module(s) in LPA it can use the > LPA > > >> > statement of the PROGxx parmlib member or the SETPROG LPA command. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Peter Relson > > >> > z/OS Core Technology Design > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > > >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > >> > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > >> > > > >> > > >> -- > > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
Classification: HCL Internal See my earlier. IMO, the answer is Not Possible -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: rename a dataset in acs routine? [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] Hi, I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. The programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes that get created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged (because they all have exactly the same DSN). So over time, they ended up with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around until expiration date. Obviously, these are not the easiest datasets to use later because they need to look up the tape volser every time. The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if it was 11:23am). I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple way, and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I think I can alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is there something I am missing? Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
Well, if they want to use a chainsaw to open a bag of peanuts, you could write a JES exit, but the proper way to handle it is for the process that creates the JCL to generate a unique name. If they're using ISPF it's super easy to do it with File Tailoring, and many production control programs have similar capabilities. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Brian Westerman Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: rename a dataset in acs routine? Hi, I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. The programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes that get created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged (because they all have exactly the same DSN). So over time, they ended up with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around until expiration date. Obviously, these are not the easiest datasets to use later because they need to look up the tape volser every time. The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if it was 11:23am). I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple way, and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I think I can alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is there something I am missing? Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
//* //EXPORT EXPORT SYMLIST=(MNTH,DY,YR) //SETSYMBL SET MNTH=,DY=,YR= //* HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D = HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D09182020 Thank You and Please Be Safe! Len Sasso Systems Administrator Senior CSRA, A General Dynamics Information Technology Company 327 Columbia TPKE Rensselaer, NY 12144 Office Hours: M-F 7 AM - 3:45 PM Phone: (518) 257-4209 Cell: (518) 894-0879 Fax: (518) 257-4300 len.sa...@gdit.com URL: www.gdit.com From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: rename a dataset in acs routine? [External: Use caution with links & attachments] Mike designed REXX as a programming language. JCL is not and was never intended to be a programming language. This is something that should be handled in the environment that creates and submits the JCL. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JRQnnSFuzw7wjAKq6ti6!mkx1yaW-aw-3YqQyrzTWwpc4Xwrfp9G3-ZFVghxkJr8upxVCmr20Trud5LSTbQ$ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: rename a dataset in acs routine? On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser wrote: >Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ? >Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD. > I understand that system symbols are not supported in JCL DSNs because of o ambiguity between EXECSYS and CNVTSYS o queue latency -- the job might run at a time not matching the JCL symbols. (If the actual date and time values are important I understand they may be invalid because around midnight date and time might be fetched on different days, resulting in a 23+ hour error. Murphy says this will only be a problem when it matters. Rexx can do it right; why can't JCL?) >On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 15:36, Brian Westerman wrote: > ... So over time, they ended up >> with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around >> until expiration date. >> >> The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically >> catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only >> 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But >> they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically >> rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as >> change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it >> HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if >> it was 11:23am). >> Use the seconds also, as D200917.T112359. With thousands of entries a collision is likely. And use YYMMDD for the date for easy sorting of displays. Is it possible to rename a tape data set? That would seem to require overwriting the HDR1 label, but tapes can't be updated in place. I'm imagining a sequence such as: Momentarily catalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE DEFINE ALIAS HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D200917.T112359 SYMBOLICRELATE HLQ.FICHE.TAPE Uncatalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE. I understand that symbolic aliases remain when the RELATED name is uncatalogued. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
Mike designed REXX as a programming language. JCL is not and was never intended to be a programming language. This is something that should be handled in the environment that creates and submits the JCL. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: rename a dataset in acs routine? On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser wrote: >Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ? >Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD. > I understand that system symbols are not supported in JCL DSNs because of o ambiguity between EXECSYS and CNVTSYS o queue latency -- the job might run at a time not matching the JCL symbols. (If the actual date and time values are important I understand they may be invalid because around midnight date and time might be fetched on different days, resulting in a 23+ hour error. Murphy says this will only be a problem when it matters. Rexx can do it right; why can't JCL?) >On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 15:36, Brian Westerman wrote: >... So over time, they ended up >> with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around >> until expiration date. >> >> The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically >> catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only >> 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But >> they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically >> rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as >> change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it >> HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if >> it was 11:23am). >> Use the seconds also, as D200917.T112359. With thousands of entries a collision is likely. And use YYMMDD for the date for easy sorting of displays. Is it possible to rename a tape data set? That would seem to require overwriting the HDR1 label, but tapes can't be updated in place. I'm imagining a sequence such as: Momentarily catalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE DEFINE ALIAS HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D200917.T112359 SYMBOLICRELATE HLQ.FICHE.TAPE Uncatalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE. I understand that symbolic aliases remain when the RELATED name is uncatalogued. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
On 2020-09-19 12:17 AM, Peter wrote: if LPA and MLPA are same LPA covers PLPA, MLPA, FLPA and DLPA. PLPA is built when CLPA is specified at IPL time. MLPA and FLPA are built every IPL time when required - they may have zero size if no modules are loaded there - the modules to be load in MLPA and FLPA are specified by locally customized system parameters. DLPA is for LPA modules that are dynamically loaded by programs issuing CSVDYLPA macros or by system SETPROG LPA commands, after IPL and after the storage address ranges of the various address space parts have been determined. In terms of these address space parts of virtual storage, DLPA modules physically reside in CSA and not in PLPA, MLPA or FLPA, the latter 3 being optimized to use the minimum storage to hold the required modules and so have no "spare" space to add additional modules after IPL. I believe DLPA is the way to go if you want a program object (as opposed to a load module) made resident in LPA. DLPA was introduced in OS/390 in the 1990s so it's older than this century. Do some reading to find out all you need. If you want to track program usage including the data set name of the libraries from which they were originally fetched, the IBM product called Tivoli Asset Discovery for z/OS (how many products still have Tivoli in their name?) does a good job of tracking application program use including application programs residing in any type of LPA. Cheers, Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
No, Everything in FLPA, MLPA and PLPA is LPA. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Itschak Mugzach <0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 10:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Searching MLPA module MLPA is in CSA and is modifiable while lpa is read only. בתאריך יום ו׳, 18 בספט׳ 2020, 17:17, מאת Peter : > Apology for being ingorant .. if LPA and MLPA are same then why are they > being placed in a different parmlibs ? Aren't any difference between MLPA > and LPA ? > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 5:56 pm Peter, wrote: > > > We have a MLPA module from adabas which got loaded But we aren't able to > > trace from which dataset it was loaded. > > > > Is there a way to know the dataset name from which or where it is saved ? > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 4:16 pm Itschak Mugzach, < > > 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > >> Peter, > >> > >> There are some 3rd party products that load modules to modified LPA (CSA > >> or > >> ECSA) as they start. They do it dynamically so if they don't start, you > >> save the storage. > >> > >> ITschak > >> > >> *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere > >> Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, > zLinux > >> and IBM I **| * > >> > >> *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 > >> **|* > >> *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: > >> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1vxJZsVXa0NEZNYrvQr2A6X5KQ4ZoST-UuNcEDuc73q_bKmTVmz2o-MqfdfQuv9_O1Qe2eV8xqdhqJUjjjIo0UnEUxOrHgR9FakNHhhzRaZG6KVvX7_tdt57Wg0sY_IX2OJUfLBl_nPJ_3LaCrEdlXGdu5-vP0P9zLKIDvF1maBfvT73IQSpXrKA6qofxLTbzC-2htGRP3EkThfOahQHnngMZchRqjdZZJtwO31d0GT7TCz-p5VALI22EulJEW3sfTRVrOEso7Sm_bxvDJ1ppdMUQRsT3x1Sz89MfJEz9hIPFYuy6aqdmF1DXw_VqeOhV5yqFvGHXvMx8tI93EUQGIjLtZuWpIKwcOUPsnJSVVEHuDcH9_JOL1TreRGl92uxMC8F_OVHF0SuQ34j7WF65lBlCDL8R_9oxdK7gU7Sm86-N1bC0zxy_HptnPgfrgRc7/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.Securiteam.co.il > >> **|* > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:06 PM Peter Relson wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA module ? > >> > > >> > What do you mean by "search the loaded MLPA module"? > >> > > >> > A program can use CSVQUERY to locate the address of a module in LPA > >> > (whether PLPA, MLPA, FLPA, or dynamic LPA), just as it can use LOAD > and > >> > then DELETE (CSVQUERY typically has less overhead than that pair of > >> > operations). > >> > > >> > > >> > We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to > understand > >> if > >> > it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL > >> > > >> > I do not understand this sentence either. Nothing loads "via MLPA". > Some > >> > things might require that their parts be in LPA. Is that what you > meant? > >> > If a program wants to put module(s) into LPA it can use the CSVDYLPA > >> > macro. If a customer wants to put module(s) in LPA it can use the LPA > >> > statement of the PROGxx parmlib member or the SETPROG LPA command. > >> > > >> > > >> > Peter Relson > >> > z/OS Core Technology Design > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
MLPA is in CSA and is modifiable while lpa is read only. בתאריך יום ו׳, 18 בספט׳ 2020, 17:17, מאת Peter : > Apology for being ingorant .. if LPA and MLPA are same then why are they > being placed in a different parmlibs ? Aren't any difference between MLPA > and LPA ? > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 5:56 pm Peter, wrote: > > > We have a MLPA module from adabas which got loaded But we aren't able to > > trace from which dataset it was loaded. > > > > Is there a way to know the dataset name from which or where it is saved ? > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 4:16 pm Itschak Mugzach, < > > 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > >> Peter, > >> > >> There are some 3rd party products that load modules to modified LPA (CSA > >> or > >> ECSA) as they start. They do it dynamically so if they don't start, you > >> save the storage. > >> > >> ITschak > >> > >> *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere > >> Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, > zLinux > >> and IBM I **| * > >> > >> *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 > >> **|* > >> *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: www.Securiteam.co.il **|* > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:06 PM Peter Relson wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA module ? > >> > > >> > What do you mean by "search the loaded MLPA module"? > >> > > >> > A program can use CSVQUERY to locate the address of a module in LPA > >> > (whether PLPA, MLPA, FLPA, or dynamic LPA), just as it can use LOAD > and > >> > then DELETE (CSVQUERY typically has less overhead than that pair of > >> > operations). > >> > > >> > > >> > We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to > understand > >> if > >> > it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL > >> > > >> > I do not understand this sentence either. Nothing loads "via MLPA". > Some > >> > things might require that their parts be in LPA. Is that what you > meant? > >> > If a program wants to put module(s) into LPA it can use the CSVDYLPA > >> > macro. If a customer wants to put module(s) in LPA it can use the LPA > >> > statement of the PROGxx parmlib member or the SETPROG LPA command. > >> > > >> > > >> > Peter Relson > >> > z/OS Core Technology Design > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
>The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. Generate the RENAME cards in the same program/JCL to rename the file from HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.Yccyy.Mmm.Ddd.Thhmmss Run those rename control cards thru IDCAMS in the same JCL Thannks, Kolusu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
Apology for being ingorant .. if LPA and MLPA are same then why are they being placed in a different parmlibs ? Aren't any difference between MLPA and LPA ? On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 5:56 pm Peter, wrote: > We have a MLPA module from adabas which got loaded But we aren't able to > trace from which dataset it was loaded. > > Is there a way to know the dataset name from which or where it is saved ? > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 4:16 pm Itschak Mugzach, < > 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> Peter, >> >> There are some 3rd party products that load modules to modified LPA (CSA >> or >> ECSA) as they start. They do it dynamically so if they don't start, you >> save the storage. >> >> ITschak >> >> *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere >> Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, zLinux >> and IBM I **| * >> >> *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 >> **|* >> *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: www.Securiteam.co.il **|* >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:06 PM Peter Relson wrote: >> >> > >> > Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA module ? >> > >> > What do you mean by "search the loaded MLPA module"? >> > >> > A program can use CSVQUERY to locate the address of a module in LPA >> > (whether PLPA, MLPA, FLPA, or dynamic LPA), just as it can use LOAD and >> > then DELETE (CSVQUERY typically has less overhead than that pair of >> > operations). >> > >> > >> > We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to understand >> if >> > it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL >> > >> > I do not understand this sentence either. Nothing loads "via MLPA". Some >> > things might require that their parts be in LPA. Is that what you meant? >> > If a program wants to put module(s) into LPA it can use the CSVDYLPA >> > macro. If a customer wants to put module(s) in LPA it can use the LPA >> > statement of the PROGxx parmlib member or the SETPROG LPA command. >> > >> > >> > Peter Relson >> > z/OS Core Technology Design >> > >> > >> > -- >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:36 AM, Brian Westerman wrote: > > I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple way, > and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I think I can > alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is there something > I am missing? You can’t do it in the ACS routine, but it’s easy to do in JCL: //ddname DD DSN=HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D -- Pew, Curtis G curtis@austin.utexas.edu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
We have a MLPA module from adabas which got loaded But we aren't able to trace from which dataset it was loaded. Is there a way to know the dataset name from which or where it is saved ? On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 4:16 pm Itschak Mugzach, < 0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Peter, > > There are some 3rd party products that load modules to modified LPA (CSA or > ECSA) as they start. They do it dynamically so if they don't start, you > save the storage. > > ITschak > > *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere > Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, zLinux > and IBM I **| * > > *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 **|* > *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: www.Securiteam.co.il **|* > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:06 PM Peter Relson wrote: > > > > > Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA module ? > > > > What do you mean by "search the loaded MLPA module"? > > > > A program can use CSVQUERY to locate the address of a module in LPA > > (whether PLPA, MLPA, FLPA, or dynamic LPA), just as it can use LOAD and > > then DELETE (CSVQUERY typically has less overhead than that pair of > > operations). > > > > > > We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to understand > if > > it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL > > > > I do not understand this sentence either. Nothing loads "via MLPA". Some > > things might require that their parts be in LPA. Is that what you meant? > > If a program wants to put module(s) into LPA it can use the CSVDYLPA > > macro. If a customer wants to put module(s) in LPA it can use the LPA > > statement of the PROGxx parmlib member or the SETPROG LPA command. > > > > > > Peter Relson > > z/OS Core Technology Design > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
Classification: HCL Internal As I am sure you know, ACS routines only apply at creation time and don’t have the power to alter the DSN anyway. ISTR a (fairly recent (z/OS 1+)) modification that will allow creation and cataloging of a 2nd dataset with the same name and avoiding the NOT CATLGD 2 jcl message. However only one dataset will be in the catalog (other ways to avoid this w/o changing the system default), It seems this is the old "its too much work to change all that JCL" (not to mention recreating all of the tapes). The only thing I can think of is to define a dataset alias pointing back to the volser. Considering this is tape I am not even sure it will work. This is not a savings in work based on the numbers below! However, it might be "automatable" via REXX or other utility, I hope this helps you formulate your response, -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: rename a dataset in acs routine? [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] Hi, I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. The programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes that get created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged (because they all have exactly the same DSN). So over time, they ended up with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around until expiration date. Obviously, these are not the easiest datasets to use later because they need to look up the tape volser every time. The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if it was 11:23am). I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple way, and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I think I can alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is there something I am missing? Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
Classification: HCL Internal Paul, That is incorrect. DYNAMIC system symbols were not supported until JES2 V2. (Z/OS 2.1+). The installation gets to define where symbols are resolved via JESPARMS STATIC system symbols have been supported for "eons". (e.g. SYSDATE, SYSIME, SYSUID). Init and Tuning ref defines the IBM supplied static symbols. HTH, -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 7:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: rename a dataset in acs routine? [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser wrote: >Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ? >Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD. > I understand that system symbols are not supported in JCL DSNs because of o ambiguity between EXECSYS and CNVTSYS o queue latency -- the job might run at a time not matching the JCL symbols. (If the actual date and time values are important I understand they may be invalid because around midnight date and time might be fetched on different days, resulting in a 23+ hour error. Murphy says this will only be a problem when it matters. Rexx can do it right; why can't JCL?) >On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 15:36, Brian Westerman wrote: >... So over time, they ended up >> with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps >> around until expiration date. >> >> The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to >> automatically catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them >> we could, but only >> 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. >> But they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), >> dynamically rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and >> time, such as change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make >> it HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current >> time (if it was 11:23am). >> Use the seconds also, as D200917.T112359. With thousands of entries a collision is likely. And use YYMMDD for the date for easy sorting of displays. Is it possible to rename a tape data set? That would seem to require overwriting the HDR1 label, but tapes can't be updated in place. I'm imagining a sequence such as: Momentarily catalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE DEFINE ALIAS HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D200917.T112359 SYMBOLICRELATE HLQ.FICHE.TAPE Uncatalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE. I understand that symbolic aliases remain when the RELATED name is uncatalogued. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 02:36:24 -0500 Brian Westerman wrote: :>I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. The programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes that get created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged (because they all have exactly the same DSN). So over time, they ended up with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around until expiration date. Obviously, these are not the easiest datasets to use later because they need to look up the tape volser every time. :>The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if it was 11:23am). :>I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple way, and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I think I can alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is there something I am missing? That is what GDG's were built for. -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
Peter, There are some 3rd party products that load modules to modified LPA (CSA or ECSA) as they start. They do it dynamically so if they don't start, you save the storage. ITschak *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, zLinux and IBM I **| * *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 **|* *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: www.Securiteam.co.il **|* On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:06 PM Peter Relson wrote: > > Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA module ? > > What do you mean by "search the loaded MLPA module"? > > A program can use CSVQUERY to locate the address of a module in LPA > (whether PLPA, MLPA, FLPA, or dynamic LPA), just as it can use LOAD and > then DELETE (CSVQUERY typically has less overhead than that pair of > operations). > > > We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to understand if > it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL > > I do not understand this sentence either. Nothing loads "via MLPA". Some > things might require that their parts be in LPA. Is that what you meant? > If a program wants to put module(s) into LPA it can use the CSVDYLPA > macro. If a customer wants to put module(s) in LPA it can use the LPA > statement of the PROGxx parmlib member or the SETPROG LPA command. > > > Peter Relson > z/OS Core Technology Design > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:34:17 +0800, Brian Fraser wrote: >Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ? >Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD. > I understand that system symbols are not supported in JCL DSNs because of o ambiguity between EXECSYS and CNVTSYS o queue latency -- the job might run at a time not matching the JCL symbols. (If the actual date and time values are important I understand they may be invalid because around midnight date and time might be fetched on different days, resulting in a 23+ hour error. Murphy says this will only be a problem when it matters. Rexx can do it right; why can't JCL?) >On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 15:36, Brian Westerman wrote: >... So over time, they ended up >> with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around >> until expiration date. >> >> The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically >> catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only >> 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But >> they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically >> rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as >> change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it >> HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if >> it was 11:23am). >> Use the seconds also, as D200917.T112359. With thousands of entries a collision is likely. And use YYMMDD for the date for easy sorting of displays. Is it possible to rename a tape data set? That would seem to require overwriting the HDR1 label, but tapes can't be updated in place. I'm imagining a sequence such as: Momentarily catalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE DEFINE ALIAS HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D200917.T112359 SYMBOLICRELATE HLQ.FICHE.TAPE Uncatalog HLQ.FICHE.TAPE. I understand that symbolic aliases remain when the RELATED name is uncatalogued. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA module ? What do you mean by "search the loaded MLPA module"? A program can use CSVQUERY to locate the address of a module in LPA (whether PLPA, MLPA, FLPA, or dynamic LPA), just as it can use LOAD and then DELETE (CSVQUERY typically has less overhead than that pair of operations). We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to understand if it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL I do not understand this sentence either. Nothing loads "via MLPA". Some things might require that their parts be in LPA. Is that what you meant? If a program wants to put module(s) into LPA it can use the CSVDYLPA macro. If a customer wants to put module(s) in LPA it can use the LPA statement of the PROGxx parmlib member or the SETPROG LPA command. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
Why can't his jobs generate dsns like HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 ? Can use system symbols to generate the date and time in the JCL output DD. Brian On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 15:36, Brian Westerman wrote: > Hi, > > I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. > The programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes > that get created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged > (because they all have exactly the same DSN). So over time, they ended up > with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around > until expiration date. Obviously, these are not the easiest datasets to > use later because they need to look up the tape volser every time. > > The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically > catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only > 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But > they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically > rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as > change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it > HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if > it was 11:23am). > > I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple > way, and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I > think I can alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is > there something I am missing? > > Brian > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: rename a dataset in acs routine?
On 2020-09-18 5:36 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: would dynamically make it HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123 I don't suppose the hard-coded data set name can be changed to include dynamic system symbols in new low-level qualifiers which would be resolved to the current date and time? Cheers, Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
rename a dataset in acs routine?
Hi, I was asked a question today that I honestly don't know how to answer. The programmer has a (very large) series of jobs that generate fiche tapes that get created and have a expiration date but never are cataloged (because they all have exactly the same DSN). So over time, they ended up with about 30,000 tapes from the over 9,000 jobs that CA-1 keeps around until expiration date. Obviously, these are not the easiest datasets to use later because they need to look up the tape volser every time. The problem is that they want to know if there is a way to automatically catalog datasets at creation time, to which I told them we could, but only 1 of them because you can't catalog two datasets with the same name. But they want to have "the system" which I'm guessing is me :), dynamically rename these datasets at creation time to add a date and time, such as change HLQ.FICHE.TAPE to which I would dynamically make it HLQ.FICHE.TAPE.D091720.T1123, meaning today's date and the current time (if it was 11:23am). I can't think of a way to do that in an acs routine, or any other simple way, and I'm hoping that someone has an idea that might apply here. I think I can alter almost anything about the dataset, except the name. Is there something I am missing? Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 07:43:21 +0400 Peter wrote: :>Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA module ? Is :>it possible to load MLPA dynamically by avoiding IPL?(apology if this a :>ignorant question) :>We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to understand if :>it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL :>Any advice on this is much appreciated You must also confirm that the original address is not saved somewhere and that the caller will always load the module. -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
If you have SDSF for z/OS 2.4 you can use the "LPD" command (Link Pack Directory) Rob Scott Rocket Software -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Sent: 18 September 2020 04:43 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Searching MLPA module EXTERNAL EMAIL Hello Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA module ? Is it possible to load MLPA dynamically by avoiding IPL?(apology if this a ignorant question) We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to understand if it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL Any advice on this is much appreciated Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Rocket Software, Inc. and subsidiaries ■ 77 Fourth Avenue, Waltham MA 02451 ■ Main Office Toll Free Number: +1 855.577.4323 Contact Customer Support: https://my.rocketsoftware.com/RocketCommunity/RCEmailSupport Unsubscribe from Marketing Messages/Manage Your Subscription Preferences - http://www.rocketsoftware.com/manage-your-email-preferences Privacy Policy - http://www.rocketsoftware.com/company/legal/privacy-policy This communication and any attachments may contain confidential information of Rocket Software, Inc. All unauthorized use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify Rocket Software immediately and destroy all copies of this communication. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NJE via SNA/EE
>We ran a mixture of TCP and SNA NJE for a long, long time and then >eventually (by accident in fact) ended up with an OSA hardware >configuration that could no longer support SNA. We couldn't use EE >because both ends of the connection were not MVS. So we capitulated and >changed everything over to TCP. It's a bit less predictable than SNA >was, but gets the job done. I see no reason to believe that falling >back to SNA would not work if we chose to do so (and had the necessary >OSA hardware). Falling back to SNA *did* work, once all the NJE/TCP parms were removed from the JES2 deck. It 'just' cost us an IPL on both ends of the connection. I got the impression that somehow the TCP parms take precedence over SNA just by being in the deck. Regards, Barbara -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Searching MLPA module
Yes. בתאריך יום ו׳, 18 בספט׳ 2020, 8:58, מאת Peter : > IEALPAxx and LPALSTxx treated in same way ? > > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep, 2020, 9:44 am Seymour J Metz, wrote: > > > You can search an LPA module with IPCS. > > > > In addition to the SETPROG command there's the CSVDYLPA macro. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > > of Peter > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:43 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Searching MLPA module > > > > Hello > > > > Is there any utility which can help to search the loaded MLPA module ? > Is > > it possible to load MLPA dynamically by avoiding IPL?(apology if this a > > ignorant question) > > > > We have a product which loads via MLPA and we just trying to understand > if > > it's possible to load it dynamically without the need of IPL > > > > Any advice on this is much appreciated > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
