Re: [IBM External] Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-23 Thread Skip Robinson
If you have a fully configured parallel sysplex, disruption to clients should be minimal. On balance, less disruption than a system crash caused by downlevel maintenance. On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 9:33 PM Brian Westerman < brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com> wrote: > One of the things that you "lose"

Re: [IBM External] Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-23 Thread Brian Westerman
One of the things that you "lose" when only IPLing once or twice per year is the ability to install maintenance on a more frequent basis, at least anything but individual fixes. To try to install an RSU upgrade without an IPL will be very foolish. As we previously stated by me and others,

Re: clist substring command

2021-09-23 Thread CM Poncelet
Yes, SET SYSSCAN=0 is the same as SET =0.   By default, SYSSCAN=16. If it is overridden as, say, SET SYSSCAN=2 then SYSSCAN=2 remains in effect until it is overridden again or restored to its default value SYSSCAN=16 (which always applies, by default, unless overridden.)   "You can assign a value

Re: CICS VSAM LSR pools and IBM DASD PPRC type mirroring.

2021-09-23 Thread Mike Schwab
I was maintaining an IMS DB/DC and on occasion we would run a mid day update. The online application would not see the update until the next day. On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 3:21 PM Ward, Mike S wrote: > > Hello, all. I don't know if any of you are doing disk replication to a DR > site, but we

CICS VSAM LSR pools and IBM DASD PPRC type mirroring.

2021-09-23 Thread Ward, Mike S
Hello, all. I don't know if any of you are doing disk replication to a DR site, but we are, and we are trying to resolve a specific problem with CICS and VSAM file. CICS, in the case of LSR pools hold the data in the buffers until a buffer shortage\wait type of condition occurs. When that

Re: at what point does CICS signal Db2 that the thread is to be closed. Db2 will close the thread and write the accounting record.

2021-09-23 Thread Bill Giannelli
thank you for that information! Are there any DB2 zParms that control CICS elapsed time reporting? like ACCUMMAC? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the

Re: at what point does CICS signal Db2 that the thread is to be closed. Db2 will close the thread and write the accounting record.

2021-09-23 Thread Ramsey Hallman
Bill, DB2 will hold the thread open for a short time waiting to see if it can be reused. It's expensive to create/destroy threads. Do you have Omegamon, or CICS/Mon, or some other monitoring tool, mostly for CiCS? If so, take a look at those transactions and I think you'll see the DB2 time is

at what point does CICS signal Db2 that the thread is to be closed. Db2 will close the thread and write the accounting record.

2021-09-23 Thread Bill Giannelli
This is a question about at what point does CICS signal Db2 that the thread is to be closed. Db2 will close the thread and write the accounting record. Situation: DB2 SMF accounting records are showing subsecond Db2 time, and elapsed time of 30-50 seconds. The caller is CICS, on the

Re: Control-M

2021-09-23 Thread Carmen Vitullo
oh yes I forgot SAS and when they moved to providing a DVD only it got worse for mainframe installs and configuration  I don't have SAS here so I'm not sure it's changed but I'd hope so Carmen On 9/23/2021 12:23 PM, Allan Staller wrote: Classification: Confidential A "basic sysplex" would

Re: Control-M

2021-09-23 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential A "basic sysplex" would need an Instance of CTL-M on each image with little or no overlap. Commands would need to be issued by the batch job to (for example) set the "CICS DOWN" flag so the batch jobs can run. What a PITA! Agreed on Candle. SAS is also notable in

Re: clist substring command

2021-09-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 16:33:34 +0100, CM Poncelet wrote: >To prevent the command processor from substituting whatever looks like a >variable, code SYSSCAN={0||1|2|3}, > (I don't know CLIST.) Is that equivalent to what I see in the Ref.: SET =0 You can assign a value from 0 to

Re: Control-M

2021-09-23 Thread Carmen Vitullo
that's great info - I didn't know about them not supporting basic sysplex, is that unsupported also for a single image system I wonder? IIRC Candle's Omegamon suite was the same way - our way or no way, what a pain. for me IOA and the CONTROL configuration ISPF tool was far easier that the

Re: Control-M

2021-09-23 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential From the standpoint of functionality, I consider Control-M to be one of the Cadillacs of job schedulers. That being said, I abhor the packaging of the product and the "my way(BMC's) or the highway" approach to configuration and deployment. There is one major

Re: clist substring command

2021-09-23 Thread CM Poncelet
To prevent the command processor from substituting whatever looks like a variable, code SYSSCAN={0||1|2|3}, then issue the (), then reset to SYSSCAN=16 (default.) SYSSCAN=n means substitute up to n SYSSCAN=0 means no & should be substituted.    To debug/trace, code CONTROL LIST SYMLIST CONLIST

Re: The Business Case for Pipes in the z/OS Base (was: Re: REXX - Interpret or Value - Which is better?)

2021-09-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 09:30:43 +0100, Martin Packer wrote: >I'm not familiar with FANOUT but if it writes a record to, say, two >destinations, it's got to copy one of them. > It could be deferred; Copy-on-Write, optimizing for what Hobart earlier calledd the "typical case" of stages that don't

Re: Control-M

2021-09-23 Thread Ward, Mike S
Thanks to all who have replied. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ward, Mike S Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 2:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXT] Control-M Please Note: This email is from an [EXTERNAL] sender. Do not click on links

Re: The Business Case for Pipes in the z/OS Base (was: Re: REXX - Interpret or Value - Which is better?)

2021-09-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
Yes, checkpointing is increasingly important in a high volume workd, but it is also increasingly more difficult. There is an OS facility for restarting from a checkpoint, but it has significant restrictions and I wonder whether it has been used in the last half century. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: [IBM External] Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
There are cases where you can apply a PTF to a live system and pick up the service with dynamic LPA. There are cases where you can't pick up the service without an IPL. And there are cases where you will break things. It's not my dog. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: RMF SMF "broken" records

2021-09-23 Thread Pierre Fichaud
Peter, Thanks for getting the information. The unique key was critical in being able to re-bundle the "broken" records. Regards, Pierre. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: zPDT Learner's Edition

2021-09-23 Thread Martin Packer
Not aimed at you Lennie :-) , not pre-announcing anything :-), having no insight to bring, but at that price I'd like to think of that also as Retiree Edition. No smiley because I'm serious that I would consider it. It's about the price of an Apple Developer annual subscription - which I would

zPDT Learner's Edition

2021-09-23 Thread Lennie Bradshaw
Has anyone else any information on the zD Learner's Edition that was recently shown on the IBM zZ pages? https://www.ibm.com/products/z-development-test-environment/pricing It appears that IBM has removed some references to it now, although the FAQs on that page (need to scroll down) still show

Re: [IBM External] The Business Case for Pipes in the z/OS Base (was: Re: REXX - Interpret or Value - Which is better?)

2021-09-23 Thread Martin Packer
There are lots of things that breaks pipelines - and so recovery is a necessary thing to think about and build in. I guess the difference between Pipes and pipes :-) is one of granularity. A (CMS-style) pipeline is probably one you're more willing to restart in its entirety. Cheers, Martin

Re: The Business Case for Pipes in the z/OS Base (was: Re: REXX - Interpret or Value - Which is better?)

2021-09-23 Thread Martin Packer
I'm not familiar with FANOUT but if it writes a record to, say, two destinations, it's got to copy one of them. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer WW z/OS Performance, Capacity and Architecture, IBM Technology Sales +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs:

Re: [IBM External] Re: IPL's POR's frequency

2021-09-23 Thread Martin Packer
Doesn't Dynamic LPA cover this? Cheers, Martin Martin Packer WW z/OS Performance, Capacity and Architecture, IBM Technology Sales +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://mainframeperformancetopics.com Mainframe, Performance,