Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread David Crayford
I agree with almost everything he says. Python is light years better than REXX. Of course, that's subjective but it IMO it's in a different league. I've been working with YAML configs recently and Python has a very nice YAML library. No such luck with REXX, especially classic REXX on z/OS.

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread David Crayford
On 18/12/21 10:23 pm, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 08:32:11 -0500, Mark Regan wrote: Some of you may have already seen this since it was also shared on LinkedIn, which is where I saw it.

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I worked with Frank over my 21 years at IBM. One of Frank’s greatest qualities is embracing changes in the industry. He was there when we were getting Zowe off the ground as a joint opensource effort with Broadcom and Rocket. He is simply pushing the envelope and, I suspect his intent, was

Re: The Great Resignation

2021-12-18 Thread Charles Mills
> You should not be looking for retirement/investment advice here on IBM-MAIN. Well dang! > Someone independent that you pay directly instead of someone who gets > commissions If you're not paying then you're not the customer. And if you're not the customer then you must be the merchandise.

Re: The Great Resignation

2021-12-18 Thread Bill Johnson
Always go with an financial advisor who is a fiduciary. They are obligated by law to do what’s best for you the investor. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, December 18, 2021, 6:44 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 12/18/2021 2:04 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > Later it says "Nearly 70% of the 5

Re: The Great Resignation

2021-12-18 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 12/18/2021 2:04 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: Later it says "Nearly 70% of the 5 million people who left the labor force during the pandemic are older than 55, according to researchers from Goldman Sachs, and many of them aren't looking to return." I don't know how 90% was knocked down to 70%.

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
> 1. Python programmers are more plentiful > While REXX is easy to learn, it is not easy to find REXX programmers outside > of the z/OS world. Just as it is not easy to find Python programmers inside the z/OS and z/VM worlds. > Face it, there are some esoteric ways to use REXX that would

Political Discussions

2021-12-18 Thread Darren Evans-Young
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Re: The Great Resignation

2021-12-18 Thread Rich Smrcina
Not to mention all the other petty crap some of you bicker about. > On Dec 18, 2021, at 5:27 PM, Doug wrote: > > I suggest politely you leave politics, of any kind, out of this forum. > > Doug Fuerst > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Sasso, Len"

Re: The Great Resignation

2021-12-18 Thread Doug
I suggest politely you leave politics, of any kind, out of this forum. Doug Fuerst -- Original Message -- From: "Sasso, Len" <039db7f8412a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 18-Dec-21 18:01:08 Subject: Re: The Great Resignation So True! Trumpsters

Re: The Great Resignation

2021-12-18 Thread Jousma, David
You know what folks? We argue enough about control blocks here and there, and whether USS is a vtam or unix term. Let's please leave U.S. politics out of this world-wide forum. Dave Jousma Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE |

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Does ISPF have to run in TSO? No. > What's a "scripting" language? >From [[Reliability of Wikipedia]] at >: "The online >encyclopedia has been criticized for its factual reliability, principally >regarding its content, presentation,

Re: The Great Resignation

2021-12-18 Thread Sasso, Len
So True! Trumpsters will put Americans in the Dumpsters" Thank You and Please Be Safe! Len Sasso Systems Administrator Senior CSRA, A General Dynamics Information Technology Company 327 Columbia TPKE Rensselaer, NY 12144 TEAM: Together Everyone Achieves More Office Hours: M-F 7 AM - 3:45

Re: The Great Resignation

2021-12-18 Thread Bill Johnson
I doubt Jesus said a man unwilling or unable to work shouldn’t eat. And, I’m not surprised the low wage earners are unwilling to work for $2.13/hour (tipped wage) plus tips. The federal minimum wage hasn’t gone up in over a decade. If the minimum wage I worked for in 1975 had kept pace with

The Great Resignation

2021-12-18 Thread Bob Bridges
A while ago on one of the forums I hang out at -- I think it was this one -- we talked about people dropping out of the work force and looking for something more rewarding. I'm all for people looking for work they like better, but one gathers that a lot of these folks are dropping out and THEN

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread ITschak Mugzach
The most important point is that Rexx can be compiled and hide the code when needed. ITschak בתאריך שבת, 18 בדצמ׳ 2021 ב-20:17 מאת Mark Regan : > Just FYI, if anyone doesn't know, the person who wrote this article is an > IBM employee, with almost 37 years with them. He is on LinkedIn at: > >

Re: z/OS freelance trainer

2021-12-18 Thread Roger Suhr
Peter, A way to contact you "offline " might be helpful. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Get Outlook for Android From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 12:13:18 AM To:

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread Mark Regan
Just FYI, if anyone doesn't know, the person who wrote this article is an IBM employee, with almost 37 years with them. He is on LinkedIn at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankdegilio/ Regards, Mark Regan, K8MTR, EN80tg CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1979 active; 1979-1991, reserves; including two

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 14:29:26 +, Colin Paice wrote: >Does Python have to run in Unix services? > Does ISPF have to run in TSO? Does a bear have to ...? What's a "scripting" language? A scripting language or script language is a

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread Mark Regan
By the way, people should also respond with their critique of the author's article on his blog, in addition to the mailing list. Regards, Mark Regan, K8MTR, EN80tg CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1979 active; 1979-1991, reserves; including two years with the Ohio Air National Guard) Nationwide

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread René Jansen
Let’s look at this: > 1. Python programmers are more plentiful > While REXX is easy to learn, it is not easy to find REXX programmers outside > of the z/OS world. When bringing new people into the company, it is much > easier to find people who understand Python. Job listings with Python as the

Re: z/OS freelance trainer

2021-12-18 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 12/17/2021 9:13 PM, Peter wrote: Hello All, I am looking for some z/OS experienced freelance trainer or retired mainframers who is willing to share or mentor on various topics of mainframe operating system. I am willing to pay for this service. Please contact me offline if you are

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread kekronbekron
We all know that the answer is currently no. In general, I feel that these zoau programs makes even Python code look horrible and phenomenally weird to work with. Python became a big deal because programs were presentable and easy to understand & work with. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread Colin Paice
Does Python have to run in Unix services? It should be possible to write some glue code so you can do things like "ADDRESS LINKMVS ..." and other facilities from Python. I use both languages - for me it is horses for courses. On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 at 14:23, Paul Gilmartin <

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread W Mainframe
Excellent questions Paul... :)What I do with my extensive Rexx playground?? Dan Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, December 18, 2021, 11:23 AM, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 08:32:11 -0500, Mark Regan wrote: >Some of

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 08:32:11 -0500, Mark Regan wrote: >Some of you may have already seen this since it was also shared on >LinkedIn, which is where I saw it. > >https://medium.com/theropod/top-8-reasons-for-using-python-instead-of-rexx-for-z-os-a6b67f8210a6 > Does it support ADDRESS SYSCALL?

Fwd: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread Mark Regan
Some of you may have already seen this since it was also shared on LinkedIn, which is where I saw it. https://medium.com/theropod/top-8-reasons-for-using-python-instead-of-rexx-for-z-os-a6b67f8210a6 Regards, Mark Regan, K8MTR, EN80tg CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1979 active; 1979-1991, reserves;