Re: Question on use of LPARNAME, SYSNAME and SMFID

2023-02-10 Thread Matt Hogstrom
Thanks to all that responded so far. I expected that there is a lot of history behind the decisions and that makes the decisions persistent and difficult to change. Although, as Ed pointed out, being able to be confident because of different values is useful, it’s probably not an option to

Re: How to get MetalC "INLINE" report

2023-02-10 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 11/02/2023 7:42 am, Farley, Peter wrote: I'd consider this to be a bug in the compiler. The listing pmap should show all source statements, at the place where they are executed. If they are inlined twice, they should be listed twice. That sounds like it would ultimately be confusing. An

Re: How to get MetalC "INLINE" report

2023-02-10 Thread Farley, Peter
I have CA Intertest Batch and COBOL 6.2 here and I have NEVER been able to stop in ANY statement of an inlined paragraph. But these are production-level programs that are far more complex than your example. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of

Re: Virtual tape mount error

2023-02-10 Thread Mike Baldwin
Re.: IEC518I sfw err stat MLNOMTL MLNOMTL Volume does not reside in this Manual Tape Library. and MLNOTVR No TCDB TVR entry exists for this MTL volume. Just to tie up the loose end, Peter informed me that there was some kind of typo in volume initialization. Regards, Mike Baldwin Cartagena

Re: How to get MetalC "INLINE" report

2023-02-10 Thread Schmitt, Michael
There are two cases for inlining: 1. The performed paragraph was only performed from one place 2. The performed paragraph was performed from multiple places I just tested CA InterTest Batch with COBOL 6.2 at OPT(2),INLINE. It definitely can stop (i.e. catch a breakpoint) set in case 1. For case

Re: Question on use of LPARNAME, SYSNAME and SMFID

2023-02-10 Thread Jack Zukt
Hi, We use different lpar names for our base systems and recovery system. And we use that variable to choose the IPL sequence for each situation. As for smfid and sysname, yes, they usually tend to be the same. Regards Jack On Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 16:16 Matt Hogstrom wrote: > I’m doing some

Re: Question on use of LPARNAME, SYSNAME and SMFID

2023-02-10 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 2/10/2023 8:15 AM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: I’m doing some research involving historical SMF data. It’s caused me to wonder how engineers use the , and symbols. From what I can see is that in most instances they are the same. LPARNAME appears to me to have little value in that if may or

Re: 3420 conversion?

2023-02-10 Thread Tony Harminc
On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 13:01, Phil Smith III wrote: Is a 40-year-old tape going to be physically readable? I have no idea, but > wonder. I have some 30-year-plus tapes in the basement, but hope not to > ever > care (and as time marches on, the odds of course reduce.) > I managed to read tapes

Re: Goodbye and thanks for all the fish

2023-02-10 Thread Burgess, Otto A. (CTR)
Well said Jim. And I know it is appreciated. Bob thought a lot of you. As you know, I first crossed paths with Bob and you back in 2008. We hit it off immediately and I joined you at OPM. I've lost a good friend and mentor. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On

Re: Goodbye and thanks for all the fish

2023-02-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Is there a tribute to him at CBTTAPE? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of willie bunter <001409bd2345-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2023 2:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Goodbye and thanks for

Re: Goodbye and thanks for all the fish

2023-02-10 Thread willie bunter
Thanks Rebecca for the heartbreaking news.  His absence will be felt for years to come by members of this board.  His technical knowledge and wit is lost forever.I am sure, some place up there, Robert is smiling down on you and your family.May he rest in place. Willie. On Wednesday,

Re: How to get MetalC "INLINE" report

2023-02-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 12:32:28 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote: >On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 12:25, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >... >> when the functions are inlined there is no entry point for them, no FPB or >> FEPM compiler control data generated for them, etc. >> > ... >> That's just wrong. Even if

Re: How to get MetalC "INLINE" report

2023-02-10 Thread Farley, Peter
I meant to add (but hit Send too soon), I am not as much concerned about *how* the inlining is done as I am in getting the compiler to TELL me that it inlined some functions, and where that was done. It would be nice to be able to bypass some procedural code inside a function when it is

Re: 3420 conversion?

2023-02-10 Thread Phil Smith III
Tony, IBM Sterling Forest used to have tape drives dating back to the stone age for just this purpose. No idea what the process is to use them, if indeed they still exist. Is a 40-year-old tape going to be physically readable? I have no idea, but wonder. I have some 30-year-plus tapes in

Re: 3420 conversion?

2023-02-10 Thread Tony Thigpen
I have found someone that will convert it. As it's 40 years old, I will report back the success or failure of the conversion. Tony Thigpen M. Ray Mullins wrote on 2/10/23 11:57: The only person that comes to mind is Al Kossow of Bitsavers, but based on your other comment I understand the

Re: How to get MetalC "INLINE" report

2023-02-10 Thread Farley, Peter
AFAIK, not the way inlining works on any z/OS compiler output I have ever seen. Recent versions of Enterprise COBOL, for instance, can inline performed paragraphs (and tell you that they did so) such that no HLL debugger known to me can let you stop inside the inlined code. If you have to

Re: How to get MetalC "INLINE" report

2023-02-10 Thread Tony Harminc
On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 12:25, Paul Gilmartin < 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 16:58:49 +, Farley, Peter wrote: > > >I have been writing some MetalC programs and ran into a case where the > normal OPTIMIZE setting (OPT(2)) provably inlined a couple

Re: How to get MetalC "INLINE" report

2023-02-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 16:58:49 +, Farley, Peter wrote: >I have been writing some MetalC programs and ran into a case where the normal >OPTIMIZE setting (OPT(2)) provably inlined a couple of small functions. It is >not immediately obvious in the MetalC ASM output, but when the functions are

How to get MetalC "INLINE" report

2023-02-10 Thread Farley, Peter
I have been writing some MetalC programs and ran into a case where the normal OPTIMIZE setting (OPT(2)) provably inlined a couple of small functions. It is not immediately obvious in the MetalC ASM output, but when the functions are inlined there is no entry point for them, no FPB or FEPM

Re: 3420 conversion?

2023-02-10 Thread M. Ray Mullins
The only person that comes to mind is Al Kossow of Bitsavers, but based on your other comment I understand the reluctance of shipping. (He read my old Prime tapes and back when Paul Allen's museum was running, they became the base for their PRIMOS emulations.) On 2023-02-09 17:32, Tony

Re: Question on use of LPARNAME, SYSNAME and SMFID

2023-02-10 Thread Rob Scott
Matt Of course the big difference is that SMFID is 4 characters and SYSNAME is 8  I know that software vendors often run QA on systems where all three (incl LPARNAME) are deliberately different to catch any assumptions made in code or product sample JCL. I have seen customers using different

Question on use of LPARNAME, SYSNAME and SMFID

2023-02-10 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I’m doing some research involving historical SMF data. It’s caused me to wonder how engineers use the , and symbols. From what I can see is that in most instances they are the same. LPARNAME appears to me to have little value in that if may or may not have an affinity for a z/OS guest in

BPAM and UNIX CCSIDs

2023-02-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
From Using Data Sets: //ddname DD PATH='/dir1/dir2/file', ... You can then use BPAM to read files as if they were members of a PDS or PDSE. Suppose the UNIX directory contains members tagged with various CCSIDs. Is there a way to retrieve the CCSID of any member accessed? -- gil

Re: Goodbye and thanks for all the fish

2023-02-10 Thread Carmen Vitullo
As a co-worker and friend of Bob's I reiterate every word, when he left Boeing he left a hole there in more ways than one, I had no idea talking to him that he was sick, struggling in any way, he never let it on. his friendship and contribution will surly be missed. thanks Jim for filling in

Re: Goodbye and thanks for all the fish

2023-02-10 Thread Jim Marshall
Bob Richards will be missed by all up here in the greater DC area. When I was the Data Center Technical Lead at the US Office of Personnel Management, 2001-2013, after retiring from the Air Force. I'd read Bob's posts and knew he was well qualified. He and Rebecca were in Atlanta where Bob

Re: 3420 conversion?

2023-02-10 Thread Allan Staller
Classification: Confidential The OP might try Sungard or one of the other BR providers. They usually have older devices available. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Harminc Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 8:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: 3420 conversion?

2023-02-10 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
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