On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 23:34:48 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka
wrote:
>I'm aware it is quite obsolete topic.
>Q: was it possible to connect Amdahl or Hitachi machines with IBM CPC
>using sysplex links?
>Did they use the same hardware and protocol?
>
>BTW: I found the following Hitachi CF link
Thanks Mike, I do already have those downloads (or similar from an earlier
era). What I don’t have is an address of an archive of .boo's to DL from.
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Thanks, John, that is enlightening but it is VSE not z/OS. I will search for
something similar in the z/OS docs.
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Subject: Re: Simple C
DLL is not simple to me, maybe because I haven't ever had to do it. There are
no such hoops to jump through in other HLL's (even HLASM LINK or LOAD/BASR is
simple by comparison).
No, a system() call does not solve the need.
Peter
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Peter, thanks for the .boo links. I have them downloaded.
But why is it that when I try to get to the main publib.boulder.ibm.com page
with Firefox I only get one item, a (broken) "favicon" item? Is there another
way into that resource?
Or is that originally an ftp link?
Peter
Sorry to double ply. One of the things I was waiting on was OMVS. BPXBATCH
Sleep doesn't sleep if OMVS isn't there.
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My primary use was to pause a few things at IPL so that needed services had a
chance to start.
In this case, the OP seemed to have a system where holding an init wouldn't
hurt much
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 02:39:51 +, Gibney, Dave wrote:
>A different approach is to add a additional step at or near the top that
>waits. I had a very short assembler program that called STIMER based on parm
>input.
>
Ah! the old way. Nowadays, BPXBATCH sleep.
In those days, it was
True
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> On Mon, 20 Mar 2023, at 02:39, Gibney, Dave
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023, at 02:39, Gibney, Dave wrote:
> A different approach is to add a additional step at or near the top
> that waits. I had a very short assembler program that called STIMER
> based on parm input.
Does that not mean holding up an initiator for an hour, doing nothing?
It's not
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023, at 02:23, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Also Kipling.
Kindling ??(sorry)
>
> The root is from "bundle" of sticks and small pieces of wood, and by
> expansion to bundles of other things.
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A different approach is to add a additional step at or near the top that waits.
I had a very short assembler program that called STIMER based on parm input.
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 21:25:52 -0500, Charles Mills wrote:
>The question is more "justify" than "afford." Not sure changing one string in
>one job submission qualifies.
>
And it may be less a hurdle to justify the license fee than to justify the
learning experience,
unless you're already
The question is more "justify" than "afford." Not sure changing one string in
one job submission qualifies.
I can have two different members, or I can tolerate a one-hour delay in a
single job. Either approach is totally satisfactory to me. I will probably go
with the "two members" approach; I
Also Kipling.
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 21:28, Bob Bridges
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 19:56:55 -0500, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>There is no need for the follow-on job to be identical. Heck, as I read
>HOLDUNTL, they could be
>
Changing // SCHEDULE HOLDUNTL='+00:00:01'
to: // SCHEDULE HOLDUNTL='+01:00:00'
feels like the sort of thing DFSORT loves to do.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 21:28, Bob Bridges wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure it's not only British authors, but American too if one goes
> back far enough, whom I caught using "faggot" to mean a piece of wood for a
> fire. From there to a cigarette is an easy step.
The root is from "bundle" of sticks
I'm pretty sure it's not only British authors, but American too if one goes
back far enough, whom I caught using "faggot" to mean a piece of wood for a
fire. From there to a cigarette is an easy step.
How the word came to describe an underclassman at a British boarding school,
required to run
Yes, my web browser (Firefox) does the same. You can just 'Save The Page
As...'.
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Subject: Re: PL/I Opt. Compiler V2 manuals?
On 2023-03-20 11:32,
Need something from
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/downloadable-free-bookmanager-tools-and-components
for the .boo links.
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 7:13 PM Robin Vowels wrote:
>
> Except for the last, the links are incomplete.
>
> On 2023-03-20 08:06, Peter Stockdill wrote:
> >
With a .boo ending, you need to use a bookmanager viewer.
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 7:39 PM Robin Vowels wrote:
>
> On 2023-03-20 11:32, Peter Stockdill wrote:
> > Hi Robin,
> >
> > The first four are direct links to the BookManager book files.
> > The fifth should have been:
> >
Ed, thanks, yes, // SCHEDULE HOLDUNTL='+01:00' should do the trick. I sat
through the session in Poughkeepsie on those scheduling features that IBM was
adding to z/OS, but they did not really sink in, because I had no day-to-day
need.
There is no need for the follow-on job to be identical.
On 2023-03-20 11:32, Peter Stockdill wrote:
Hi Robin,
The first four are direct links to the BookManager book files.
The fifth should have been:
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/pli/LY27-9528-0_OS_PLI_Version_2_Proble
m_Determination_Dec87.pdf
As I said, the last link is OK.
The first
Hi Robin,
The first four are direct links to the BookManager book files.
The fifth should have been:
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/pli/LY27-9528-0_OS_PLI_Version_2_Proble
m_Determination_Dec87.pdf
Cheers,
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Function pointers and fetch()
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zvse/6.2?topic=c-edcxbf11
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023, 15:02 Farley, Peter, <
031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> The major z/OS programming languages (COBOL, PL/I, HLASM) allow one to
> write a subroutine and separately
On 3/19/2023 5:05 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
Can I somehow conditionally submit a JES2 command to run the job in an hour?
Can you add a // SCHEDULE JCL statement to the job with a HOLDUNTL=
specification? Or must it be identical to the original JCL in every way?
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Is a DLL *not* simple?
(Serious question. I have never done it but isn't it just a couple of compile
and link options?)
Does the system() call solve your need?
Charles
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Except for the last, the links are incomplete.
On 2023-03-20 08:06, Peter Stockdill wrote:
https://publib.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/book/ibmop002.boo
https://publib.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/book/ibmol004.boo
https://publib.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/book/ibmom002.boo
I am not a sysprog, but there is a system where I play sysprog. It is a very
specialized z/OS LPAR and has no third-party scheduling software (and I don't
think I really want to get into supporting a CBT freebie).
I do some very rudimentary scheduling -- running a couple of jobs once a day
I'm aware it is quite obsolete topic.
Q: was it possible to connect Amdahl or Hitachi machines with IBM CPC
using sysplex links?
Did they use the same hardware and protocol?
BTW: I found the following Hitachi CF link descriptions: ISCH2, ICF,
ISB, ICC. Any of them is similar to IBM links (I
https://publib.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/book/ibmop002.boo
https://publib.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/book/ibmol004.boo
https://publib.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/book/ibmom002.boo
https://publib.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/book/ibmot001.boo
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/pli/LY27-9528-0_OS_PLI_Version_2_Proble
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 13:22, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> Are "route" and "rut" related?
"Pronunciation:
Brit. pronunciation/rʌt/,
U.S. pronunciation/rət/
Forms:
α. 1500s rutte, 1500s–1600s rutt, 1500s– rut, 1600s rupt.
β. 1500s rotte, 1500s (1900s– English regional (west midlands and
southern))
The major z/OS programming languages (COBOL, PL/I, HLASM) allow one to write a
subroutine and separately compile and link it and then call that subroutine
dynamically at runtime without a whole lot of fuss. I think even VS FORTRAN
programming supports this capability.
>From the reading I have
I am particularly looking for any or all of the following manual numbers. I am
willing to pay for shipping if only hardcopy is available. Please contact me
privately at pjfarley3 at earthlink dot net for hardcopy coordination.
Programming GuideSC26-4307
Language Reference SC26-4308
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023, at 18:04, Colin Paice wrote:
> I got into trouble with the Americans ( from the days when people were
> allowed to smoke in the office) in a presentation with a chart saying " 10
> minute fag break"
That might have been misinterpreted here in the UK too, if those present
were
Typo doing C should be including a JOB card.
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I got into trouble with the Americans ( from the days when people were
allowed to smoke in the office) in a presentation with a chart saying " 10
minute fag break"
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 17:14, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Well, UK English can also get us Americans in trouble, e.g., "fanny".
>
>
>
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:08:33 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>... aShg1ah, ...
>
???
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Are "route" and "rut" related?
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Northern ir Southern? Or is "roden" the same in both?
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Well, UK English can also get us Americans in trouble, e.g., "fanny".
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Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
The old OS/360 behavior for START was that the system generated a JOB card.
Somewhere in the mists of time we acquired the ability to provide complete JCL
including aShg1ah, but the old code is still there when starting a PROC. More
specifically, what START for a PROC generates is something
The word you're looking for is "aspirated": you're noticing the difference
between aspirated and unaspirated /k/. In English, the two sounds are
recognized as different realizations of the same phoneme (allophonic).
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:34 AM Bob Bridges wrote:
> If you'll allow me just a
I grew up in Minnesota, and visited grandparents a few times every summer in
Wisconsin, which we pronounced "wih-SKAHN-sun". Then in my high-school years
we moved to Pennsylvania, where I noticed they pronounced it "wiss-KAHN-sun",
the 's' moved firmly from the second to the first syllable. I
This link has more details about file system movement/ownership during recovery
scenarios.
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0?topic=recovery-managing-movement-data
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Check the INCLUDE/EXCLUDE parameters on the MOUNT statements in BPXPRMxx
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When the owning system is removed from the sysplex is there a way to influence
which remaining systems becomes the owner of the file system? I'd like a way to
tell OMVS not to assign any automoved file systems to one specific system in
the sysplex.
Mark Jacobs
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I found a WLM entry for an application environment specifying the proc in
question with the following:
Starting of server address spaces for a subsystem instance:
Managed by WLM
So is this started from within WLM?
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