Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Seymour J Metz]

I've always been advised that if I'm unhappy that accepting a counter offer is 
not prudent: I accept the counter offer. Company A hires/trains another 
employee, then repeats the behavior that caused me to start looking. I go to 
company B but they're no longer interested in me.

I've been at companies where a new hire was a no-show; it's disruptive and 
unprofessional.

IMHO, we need to hear more about good bosses; they are out their, and they make 
a big difference. I remember fondly a warrant officer who

Knew what he wanted
Insisted that we do what he wanted
Got out of our way and let us do it
Had our backs.

Would I work for him again in a civilian capacity? In a heartbeat. but bosses 
like that aren't news and don't get publicity.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


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Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:56 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mainframe help now available!

I'm reminded of a conversation on a forum a few decades ago about
counter-offers.  I work at company A.  Company B makes an offer to hire me
away, and I accept.  Upon giving my notice, company A makes a counter-offer
in order to keep me.  The ensuing discussion involved a complaint that this
shows something despicable about A:

*** What's so terrible about counters? - Bob Bridges - 12/10/98 - 01:26
I don't get all this unanimous antipathy toward counter-offers. I've never
been in that position so I can't speak with authority, but surely they can
be made with honest intent? which none of y'all seem to believe.

If you've already accepted the competition's offer it would be wrong, of
course; but if I'm only considering an offer, what's "immoral" about also
considering a counter, if proffered one?

*** Re: What's so terrible about counters? - RecruitingPro - 12/10/98 -
08:48
Think about it. You go into your boss and resign. Suddenly they offer you a
promotion and/or more money. Now you're the best thing since sliced bread to
the. Why didn't they offer you this stuff before you resigned. You basically
had to hold a gun to their head to get it. Is that the kind of company you
want to work for? What do you have to do to get another raise or promotion?

*** Re: What's so terrible about counters? - Bob Bridges - 12/13/98 - 00:26
If I thought most other companies acted according to your principles, I'd
cheerfully leave mine for another good offer. But I don't see any reason to
believe that; it seems to me the company is exceptional that will keep its
competition in mind ~before~ that competition starts stalking me. Therefore
I expect the competition to act the same way, once it has me.

Does this mean companies are heartless? Well, sure, I think so; companies
aren't people, and ~can't~ have a heart. I needn't hate them for it; might
as well despise a lake for not caring whether I swim or drown in it.

But I ~like~ to swim, and I don't expect of a lake something that isn't in
its nature. Nor do I expect a company to feel an obligation to take care of
me; that's my job. The few companies that pay their people well, year after
year -- they do exist, I hear -- probably owe their behavior to some
~person~ at a critical position of authority, able to act out her own
beliefs against the natural tendencies of organizations. Or more than one
person, more than likely, which is why companies like this are the
exception. Aren't they?

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
Phil Smith III
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 18:11

...too many instances of companies abusing employee loyalty, lying about
futures, etc. It's a two-way street: you treat people well, they will pay it
back. You act like 90-some percent of employers these days, be lucky if you
get two weeks' notice.

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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Bob Bridges]

I'm reminded of a conversation on a forum a few decades ago about
counter-offers.  I work at company A.  Company B makes an offer to hire me
away, and I accept.  Upon giving my notice, company A makes a counter-offer
in order to keep me.  The ensuing discussion involved a complaint that this
shows something despicable about A:

*** What's so terrible about counters? - Bob Bridges - 12/10/98 - 01:26
I don't get all this unanimous antipathy toward counter-offers. I've never
been in that position so I can't speak with authority, but surely they can
be made with honest intent? which none of y'all seem to believe.

If you've already accepted the competition's offer it would be wrong, of
course; but if I'm only considering an offer, what's "immoral" about also
considering a counter, if proffered one?

*** Re: What's so terrible about counters? - RecruitingPro - 12/10/98 -
08:48
Think about it. You go into your boss and resign. Suddenly they offer you a
promotion and/or more money. Now you're the best thing since sliced bread to
the. Why didn't they offer you this stuff before you resigned. You basically
had to hold a gun to their head to get it. Is that the kind of company you
want to work for? What do you have to do to get another raise or promotion?

*** Re: What's so terrible about counters? - Bob Bridges - 12/13/98 - 00:26
If I thought most other companies acted according to your principles, I'd
cheerfully leave mine for another good offer. But I don't see any reason to
believe that; it seems to me the company is exceptional that will keep its
competition in mind ~before~ that competition starts stalking me. Therefore
I expect the competition to act the same way, once it has me.

Does this mean companies are heartless? Well, sure, I think so; companies
aren't people, and ~can't~ have a heart. I needn't hate them for it; might
as well despise a lake for not caring whether I swim or drown in it.

But I ~like~ to swim, and I don't expect of a lake something that isn't in
its nature. Nor do I expect a company to feel an obligation to take care of
me; that's my job. The few companies that pay their people well, year after
year -- they do exist, I hear -- probably owe their behavior to some
~person~ at a critical position of authority, able to act out her own
beliefs against the natural tendencies of organizations. Or more than one
person, more than likely, which is why companies like this are the
exception. Aren't they?

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imports and consumes the vast majority of the world's cocaine, threatened,
with a straight face, to punish Colombia for not doing its part in the War
on Drugs.  -Dave Barry recapping events of 1995 */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
Phil Smith III
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 18:11

...too many instances of companies abusing employee loyalty, lying about
futures, etc. It's a two-way street: you treat people well, they will pay it
back. You act like 90-some percent of employers these days, be lucky if you
get two weeks' notice.

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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Bill Johnson]

One thing I’ve noticed in 45+ years of working in the corporate world is CEO’s, 
managers, wealthy people, and anyone else in positions of power are not the 
smartest guys/gals in the room. The smartest people are the ones who don’t 
strive to achieve power. Most of the smartest people I’ve met in those 45+ 
years are often the ones who wouldn’t back stab, suck up, or play the corporate 
games required to climb the ladder. I’ve seen more CEO’s fail miserably than 
succeed. I’ve seen rich people get lucky or acquire their wealth through 
immoral or illegal means. Many just got lucky.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, June 13, 2023, 6:18 PM, John McKown  
wrote:

Today's large companies, IMO, are for the enrichment of the CxOs and large
stock holders. Some of the attitude today is similar to what caused "lower
class" workers to unionize.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 5:11 PM Phil Smith III  wrote:

> Bob Bridges wrote:
> >I don't know whether it's fair to say so, but top management is often
> >from the older crowd, and in their youth it was much more common for
> >workers to need the job and feel fortunate to be employed. Nowadays,
> >at least so it seems to me, many more people have a cussed independent
> >streak and feel free to go somewhere else if they want.
>
> .which they come by honestly, having seen/experienced too many instances
> of companies abusing employee loyalty, lying about futures, etc. It's a
> two-way street: you treat people well, they will pay it back. You act like
> 90-some percent of employers these days, be lucky if you get two weeks'
> notice.
>
> Not saying you didn't know this, just being explicit because I'm tired of
> hearing companies whinge about "loyalty" (comma, lack thereof).
>
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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[John McKown]

Today's large companies, IMO, are for the enrichment of the CxOs and large
stock holders. Some of the attitude today is similar to what caused "lower
class" workers to unionize.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 5:11 PM Phil Smith III  wrote:

> Bob Bridges wrote:
> >I don't know whether it's fair to say so, but top management is often
> >from the older crowd, and in their youth it was much more common for
> >workers to need the job and feel fortunate to be employed. Nowadays,
> >at least so it seems to me, many more people have a cussed independent
> >streak and feel free to go somewhere else if they want.
>
> .which they come by honestly, having seen/experienced too many instances
> of companies abusing employee loyalty, lying about futures, etc. It's a
> two-way street: you treat people well, they will pay it back. You act like
> 90-some percent of employers these days, be lucky if you get two weeks'
> notice.
>
> Not saying you didn't know this, just being explicit because I'm tired of
> hearing companies whinge about "loyalty" (comma, lack thereof).
>
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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Phil Smith III]

Bob Bridges wrote:
>I don't know whether it's fair to say so, but top management is often
>from the older crowd, and in their youth it was much more common for
>workers to need the job and feel fortunate to be employed. Nowadays,
>at least so it seems to me, many more people have a cussed independent
>streak and feel free to go somewhere else if they want.

.which they come by honestly, having seen/experienced too many instances of 
companies abusing employee loyalty, lying about futures, etc. It's a two-way 
street: you treat people well, they will pay it back. You act like 90-some 
percent of employers these days, be lucky if you get two weeks' notice.

Not saying you didn't know this, just being explicit because I'm tired of 
hearing companies whinge about "loyalty" (comma, lack thereof).


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Re: unix commands in batch and su

[Kirk Wolf]

FYI, with Co:Z Batch instead of BPXBATCH, you just provide STDIN input to the 
shell like you would from a terminal. 

//SU EXEC PGM=COZBATCH 
//STDIN DD * 
su -s omvskern
# commands for the su shell ...
whoami
exit   # quit the su shell 
whoami # back to my login shell
// 

Which prints:

OMVSKERN
KIRK

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
https://coztoolkit.com

PS> Co:Z Toolkit is available under our free Community License, or our 
Enterprise License with commercial terms and support. 
https://coztoolkit.com/support.html


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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Bob Bridges]

I don't know whether it's fair to say so, but top management is often from
the older crowd, and in their youth it was much more common for workers to
need the job and feel fortunate to be employed.  Nowadays, at least so it
seems to me, many more people have a cussed independent streak and feel free
to go somewhere else if they want.

This is a generalization, of course.  "More", I said; it's a trend, not an
inviolate rule.  My own career follows that trend, anyway.

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/* It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it.  -Aristotle */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
Seymour J Metz
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 11:55

What top management in large companies often doesn't understand is that we
live in a capitalistic economy. If an employee can find better pay or better
working conditions elsewhere, he is free to leave. Everything that I have
read suggests that it costs a lot less to retain a professional than it does
to replace him. Treat employees well and they may choose to remain even if
they are offered more pay elsewhere, but if you are not loyal to them, don't
be shocked if they treat you the same.

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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Bob Bridges]

LOL!  Years ago I gave an internal customer my estimate on a minor task, and
he went to my boss hoping to get a better answer.  My boss discussed it with
me, and I told him I'd probably have it done in two or three days but that's
only if everything went right (and you know how often that happens).  So he
called up Harry and said Sure, we can do it for you, but it might take a
while.Oh, two or three days."

I expostulated after he hung up.  "I said two or three days if everything
goes RIGHT!  What if something goes wrong?"

Marty replied "Oh, what could go wrong?"

Well, I don't know what could go wrong; that's the problem.  How long has
this guy been a development manager, anyway?

To be  fair, Marty was actually very, very smart, and was the best boss I
ever had in a long fortunate career of good bosses.  But sheesh!

(And yeah, I finished it in two or three days.  Still...)

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his enemies, and much more foolish to go to himself.  -G K Chesterton,
"Heretics" */

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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 11:35

Worker bee: Why did you tell the cusomer that we could easilly add foo when
it's the one thing that we cannot add with this design?
Project manager: I have confidence in you.

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Re: unix commands in batch and su

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

W dniu 13.06.2023 o 22:56, Kurt J. Quackenbush pisze:

I put 'su' command before others, but it doesn't work.

Try piping the commands to su, like this:

//STEP   EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
//STDOUT DD SYSOUT=*
//STDERR DD SYSOUT=*
//STDPARM DD *
SH ;
echo "The mkdir a command runs as the job's userid";
mkdir a;
echo "The mkdir b command runs as superuser, if the userid is authorized";
echo "mkdir b" | su;
/*


That works!  Thank you.

Thanks to all gentlemen, who answered.


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Re: unix commands in batch and su

[Kurt J. Quackenbush]

> I put 'su' command before others, but it doesn't work.

Try piping the commands to su, like this:

//STEP   EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
//STDOUT DD SYSOUT=*
//STDERR DD SYSOUT=*
//STDPARM DD *
SH ;
echo "The mkdir a command runs as the job's userid";
mkdir a;
echo "The mkdir b command runs as superuser, if the userid is authorized";
echo "mkdir b" | su;
/*

Kurt Quackenbush
IBM  |  z/OS SMP/E and z/OSMF Software Management  |  ku...@us.ibm.com

Chuck Norris never uses CHECK when he applies PTFs.

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Re: unix commands in batch and su

[Andy Styles]

The way I've done it is to 'echo' the commands together as one long string, and 
then pipe that to su:

//RUNEXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
//STDOUT DD SYSOUT=*
//STDERR DD SYSOUT=*
//STDIN  DD DUMMY
//STDPARM DD *
SH
   echo 'echo "Starting" ;
   cd / ;
   ls -la ;
   id ; 
   echo "Ending" ' | su

Note that the entire 'script' is within single quotes so you need to escape any 
single quotes you need inside. 

STDPARM is great for this because it automatically concatenates the lines 
together with the need for continuation characters.

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Re: The new requirement for Certificates to communicate with IBM -- A Journey

[Kurt J. Quackenbush]

> GIM44336S ** AN UNUSUAL CONDITION OCCURRED. GIMJVREQ - 
> java.net.SocketException:
>  Write failed
> My gut reaction is the the SocketException is because the Socket is not being 
> correctly negotiated for encryption.

That does not smell like a certificate problem to me at all.  That sounds like 
a local firewall issue to me.  Is it possible your firewall is blocking the 
connection with the IBM server because of the new server certificate?  Are you 
seeing a stack trace or other information in the SYSPRINT from RECEIVE which 
might offer further hints?  If not, try adding 
javadebugoptions="-Dcom.ibm.smp.debug=severe" to your CLIENT XML for more info. 
 Barring any further revelations with the debug output, it might be time to get 
a packet trace and open a case with the Comm Server IBM Support team to debug 
further.

Kurt Quackenbush
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Chuck Norris never uses CHECK when he applies PTFs.

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Re: unix commands in batch and su

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

W dniu 13.06.2023 o 21:26, Sri h Kolusu pisze:

I put 'su' command before others, but it doesn't work.


Radoslaw,

Try using BPXBATCH

//STEP0100 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,REGION=8M
//STDOUT   DD SYSOUT=*,
//LRECL=133,RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS,BLKSIZE=0
//STDERR   DD SYSOUT=*
//STDPARM  DD *
SH su;
echo $PATH;
your other commands;


This is one of the methods I tried. However every command after 'su' is 
issued with no root authority.


@Curtis,
I also tried to use 'PGM su' instead of 'SH su'. I've got very 
interesting RC=2816.


I also thought about SURROGAT for the user with UID=0. :-(

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Re: unix commands in batch and su

[Sri h Kolusu]

>> I'd use RECFM=VB and longer LRECL. 133?  Is there a common 133 column 
>> printer or 327x model?

Gil,

Agreed on the usage of VB and longer LRECL. However, the JCL is a stripped 
version for ls command, and I wanted the LRECL to be FB for parsing out the 
contents later.

Thanks,
Kolusu


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Re: Char to Hex

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:05:32 +, Ituriel do Neto wrote:
>
>I don't want to reinvent the wheel, so I would be grateful for your advice.
>I need to convert C'123AB' to X'0123AB'
>
Do you need this done at assembly time or execution time?

Is your input string always 5 characters long?

Other conditions?

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Re: unix commands in batch and su

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:26:14 +, Sri h Kolusu wrote:

>>> I put 'su' command before others, but it doesn't work.
>Radoslaw,
>
>Try using BPXBATCH
> 
An alternative is bpxwunix().
o Advantage: it supports line comments in STDIN.
o Drawback: requires a REXX wrapper.  But that can be instream.

>//STEP0100 EX C PGM=BPXBATCH,REGION=8M
>//STDOUT   DD SYSOUT=*,
>//LRECL=133,RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS,BLKSIZE=0



I'd use RECFM=VB and longer LRECL.
133?  Is there a common 133 column printer or 327x model?



>//STDERR   DD SYSOUT=*
>//STDPARM  DD *
>SH su;
>   echo $PATH;
>   your other commands;

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Re: Char to Hex

[Mike Schwab]

TR A -> x'FA' etc, PACK hex characters into bytes (extra byte to discard sign).

UNPK bytes into hex characters (extra byte to discard sign), TR x'FA' -> A etc.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 2:16 PM Ituriel do Neto
<03427ec2837d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry, i was not clear.
> I mean in assembler, not Rexx or any other language.
>
>
> Best Regards
>
> Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
> z/OS System Programmer
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em terça-feira, 13 de junho de 2023 às 16:10:46 BRT, Radoslaw Skorupka 
> <0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> escreveu:
>
>
>
>
>
> W dniu 13.06.2023 o 21:05, Ituriel do Neto pisze:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I don't want to reinvent the wheel, so I would be grateful for your advice.
> > I need to convert C'123AB' to X'0123AB'
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> Did you check REXX functions like X2C and C2X?
>
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Re: Char to Hex

[Seymour J Metz]

Have you considered Translate and Pack?


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Ituriel do Neto <03427ec2837d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 3:16 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Char to Hex

Hi,

Sorry, i was not clear.
I mean in assembler, not Rexx or any other language.


Best Regards

Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
z/OS System Programmer






Em terça-feira, 13 de junho de 2023 às 16:10:46 BRT, Radoslaw Skorupka 
<0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> escreveu:





W dniu 13.06.2023 o 21:05, Ituriel do Neto pisze:
> Hi all,
>
> I don't want to reinvent the wheel, so I would be grateful for your advice.
> I need to convert C'123AB' to X'0123AB'
>
> Any ideas?

Did you check REXX functions like X2C and C2X?

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Re: Char to Hex

[Sri h Kolusu]

>> Actually I need to generate X'0123AB' from X'F1F2F3C1C2'


Ituriel,

As I mentioned DFSORT can do the reverse also

//STEP0100 EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTIN   DD *
F1F2F3C1C2
//SORTOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD *
  OPTION COPY
  INREC BUILD=(C'0',01,10,TRAN=UNHEX)
/*

Thanks,
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DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation



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Re: Char to Hex

[Ituriel do Neto]

Curtis,

Thank you.
Brillant.


Best Regards

Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
z/OS System Programmer






Em terça-feira, 13 de junho de 2023 às 16:23:23 BRT, Pew, Curtis G 
 escreveu: 





On Jun 13, 2023, at 2:16 PM, Ituriel do Neto 
<03427ec2837d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
 wrote:

Sorry, i was not clear.
I mean in assembler, not Rexx or any other language.


Use TR to convert C’A’, C’B’, etc. to x’FA’, x’FB’, etc. and then PACK one more 
byte than what you need.


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Re: unix commands in batch and su

[Pew, Curtis G]

On Jun 13, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Radoslaw Skorupka 
<0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
 wrote:

Any clue how to use su and the commands?
I would like to avoid putting all the commands to the shell script, as that 
require puting the script into filesystem. Less portable.
Or maybe there is a method to run the script embedded in the jobstream?

I haven’t tried this, but I think using BPXBATCH,PARM=‘PGM su’ and then your 
other commands in STDIN would work.


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Re: unix commands in batch and su

[Sri h Kolusu]

>> I put 'su' command before others, but it doesn't work.


Radoslaw,

Try using BPXBATCH

//STEP0100 EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,REGION=8M
//STDOUT   DD SYSOUT=*,
//LRECL=133,RECFM=FB,DSORG=PS,BLKSIZE=0
//STDERR   DD SYSOUT=*
//STDPARM  DD *
SH su;
   echo $PATH;
   your other commands;

Thanks,
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Re: Char to Hex

[Ituriel do Neto]

Hi Kolusu,

Actually I need to generate X'0123AB' from X'F1F2F3C1C2'


Best Regards

Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
z/OS System Programmer






Em terça-feira, 13 de junho de 2023 às 16:19:11 BRT, Sri h Kolusu 
 escreveu: 





> I need to convert C'123AB' to X'0123AB'

Ituriel,

HEX of 123AB is  F1F2F3C1C2

Sort can convert character to hex and vice versa.

//SYSIN    DD *
  OPTION COPY
  INREC BUILD=(01,05,HEX)
/*

Looks like you just want to pad leading zero?

Thanks,
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On Jun 13, 2023, at 2:16 PM, Ituriel do Neto 
<03427ec2837d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
 wrote:

Sorry, i was not clear.
I mean in assembler, not Rexx or any other language.


Use TR to convert C’A’, C’B’, etc. to x’FA’, x’FB’, etc. and then PACK one more 
byte than what you need.


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Re: Char to Hex

[Sri h Kolusu]

> I need to convert C'123AB' to X'0123AB'

Ituriel,

HEX of 123AB is  F1F2F3C1C2

Sort can convert character to hex and vice versa.

//SYSINDD *
  OPTION COPY
  INREC BUILD=(01,05,HEX)
/*

Looks like you just want to pad leading zero?

Thanks,
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Re: Char to Hex

[Ituriel do Neto]

Hi,

Sorry, i was not clear.
I mean in assembler, not Rexx or any other language.


Best Regards

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W dniu 13.06.2023 o 21:05, Ituriel do Neto pisze:
> Hi all,
>
> I don't want to reinvent the wheel, so I would be grateful for your advice.
> I need to convert C'123AB' to X'0123AB'
>
> Any ideas?

Did you check REXX functions like X2C and C2X?

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[Radoslaw Skorupka]

W dniu 13.06.2023 o 21:05, Ituriel do Neto pisze:

Hi all,

I don't want to reinvent the wheel, so I would be grateful for your advice.
I need to convert C'123AB' to X'0123AB'

Any ideas?


Did you check REXX functions like X2C and C2X?

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unix commands in batch and su

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

I need to issue several commands in batch, that means JCL job.
I know some ways to do it, but... but before I have to issue su command 
to get root authorities.

I put 'su' command before others, but it doesn't work.
Example:
//K EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01
//SYSTSIN DD *
 oshell su;mkdir a;mkdir b;other commands...

The stream works OK, but second and remaining commands failed due to 
lack of root authority.


Any clue how to use su and the commands?
I would like to avoid putting all the commands to the shell script, as 
that require puting the script into filesystem. Less portable.

Or maybe there is a method to run the script embedded in the jobstream?

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Char to Hex

[Ituriel do Neto]

Hi all,

I don't want to reinvent the wheel, so I would be grateful for your advice.
I need to convert C'123AB' to X'0123AB'

Any ideas?


Best Regards

Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
z/OS System Programmer

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Re: The new requirement for Certificates to communicate with IBM -- A Journey

[Phil Smith III]

Tom Longfellow wrote, in part:
>Now to be told by an acknowledged expert that the Intermediate Cert is NOT 
>needed.
>For now I will just leave it on the ring since I went to all the trouble to 
>acquire it.

Strongly recommend that once you get this working, you remove that cert. As I 
wrote before, it will cause you trouble down the road when it expires. If you 
have it handy, ready to re-add, you'll be able to prove that removing causes no 
problem without risking any hassles.


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Re: The new requirement for Certificates to communicate with IBM -- A Journey

[Tom Longfellow]

thank you 

RACDCERT CERTAUTH LISTCHAIN has been both useful and frustrating.

I list the new Intermediate (by label name it was added with).  Bottom line is 
that it says the chain is completed back the the DigiCert Global G2 root .

Still does not work though

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Re: The new requirement for Certificates to communicate with IBM -- A Journey

[Tom Longfellow]

Kurt

the SMP message is
GIM44336S ** AN UNUSUAL CONDITION OCCURRED. GIMJVREQ - 
java.net.SocketException:
 Write failed   

GIM20501IRECEIVE PROCESSING IS COMPLETE. THE HIGHEST RETURN CODE WAS 12.


My gut reaction is the the SocketException is because the Socket is not being 
correctly negotiated for encryption.

I feel like a dupe.  After watching my first round of RECEIVE ORDERs performed 
after the posted changes were starting I went to follow the 'Do it or DIE' 
instructions sent to me via multiple IBM sources.  Now to be told by an 
acknowledged expert that the Intermediate Cert is NOT needed.   For now I 
will just leave it on the ring since I went to all the trouble to acquire it.

As far as the 'Incomplete' goes.   it is the result of a RACF Cert LIST command 
when listing by the ugly Cert key string.
That list command came from one of the many 'IBM is changing'  emails and web 
pages I received over the last several weeks.  I can find the exact command at 
the moment.
It left me with the feeling that the 'chain' of certificates is what is 
'incomplete'  (pardon my paraphrasing of the intricacies)

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The new requirement for Certificates to communicate with IBM -- A Journey

[Donald Blake]

For those with certificate chain problems, have you tried RACDCERT
CHECKCERT as documented here:
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=certificates-racdcert-checkcert-check-certificate-certificate-chain
and RACDCERT LISTCHAIN as documented here:
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=certificates-racdcert-listchain-list-certificate-chain

I've found both helpful in the past.

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Re: [EXT] Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Seymour J Metz]

Nothing wrong with that if you provide training and time to get up to speed.

What do you mean by "It's not in the budget."?

riight; soon; inexpensive m- pick two.


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I knew a couple of VP's who didn't understand why mainframe folks weren't 
interchangeable.

You have too many MVS guys and need a CICS guy.  Move an MVS guy over to the 
CICS team.  What could be simpler?

Robert Crawford
Abstract Evolutions LLC
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Brennan
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 7:42 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXT] Re: Mainframe help now available!

LOL.  When things like the "Project Management Office" became common in maybe 
the late 1990's where I worked, they called us Resources.  I remember writing a 
note back saying I'm not a lump of coal or even a vein of gold.

The real problem though, was like you mentioned, they treated us as a simple 
headcount.  That didn't work because it might take 10 of me to do the work of 
(for example) one good CICS person, if I can figure it out at all.

On 6/12/2023 4:18 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 at 22:13, James FRSolutions
> 
> wrote:
>
>> FR Solutions has programs to help find resources or build new
>> resources for organizations in search of Mainframe professionals.
>> With the marketplace shrinking in the MF skills area, we can help.
>> https://www.frsolutionscorp.com/mainframe
>
>
> So "resources" is your respectful word for, uh people? I've always
> aspired to be a resource. Or maybe a headcount.
>
> Tony H.
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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Seymour J Metz]

What top management in large companies often doesn't understand is that we live 
in a capitalistic economy. If an employee can find better pay or better working 
conditions elsewhere, he is free to leave. Everything that I have read suggests 
that it costs a lot less to retain a professional than it does to replace him. 
Treat employees well and they may choose to remain even if they are offered 
more pay elsewhere, but if you are not loyal to them, don't be shocked if they 
treat you the same.

HR often has tunnel vision, but it's far from the only own. You have no idea 
how much havoc an autocratic procurement department can wreak. Remember, "If it 
doesn't come out of my budget then it'd not a cost."; what matters is my cash 
flow, not whether what I substituted for what you ordered will actually work.


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Regarding your first paragraph: To be fair to the "Human Resources" moniker, 
the point when it first became chic was to remind the Personnel department that 
people, too, are important to the organization.  We don't abuse computers or 
desks, we don't waste pens or typewriter ribbons, we ought to treat the human 
beings too as valuable.

Regarding your second: A change in terminology doesn't by itself fix an 
underlying problem.  "HR" became the new word for "Personnel", but a company, 
to survive, still has to spend as little as possible and produce as much as 
possible.  And the centralized HR folks can never understand your value as well 
as your boss can...even if your boss can't.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Tom 
Brennan
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 20:42

When things like the "Project Management Office" became common in maybe the 
late 1990's where I worked, they called us Resources.  I remember writing a 
note back saying I'm not a lump of coal or even a vein of gold.

The real problem though, was like you mentioned, they treated us as a simple 
headcount.  That didn't work because it might take 10 of me to do the work of 
(for example) one good CICS person, if I can figure it out at all.

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Re: The new requirement for Certificates to communicate with IBM -- A Journey

[Colin Paice]

You might try
RACDCERT CHECKCERT('') and see what RACF thinks in the certificate.  If
there were funny chars, it should show up
Colin

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 at 14:40, Peter Vander Woude 
wrote:

> I open the file created by the export, using notepad.  Select all the text
> in the file, copy and then in an edit of a dataset with the following
> characteristics:
>
> recfm=vb
> lrecl=84
>
> I paste the text from the pc file.  The  use that as the source for the
> RACDCERT import of the CA Cert, making sure to mark the certificate as
> trusted.
>
> Peter
>
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 08:36:34 -0500, Paul Gilmartin 
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 08:22:03 -0500, Peter Vander Woude wrote:
> >
> >>What I have done, to get these certificates, is to look at the keystore
> on the pc, and save a copy of the certauth record from there, in base64
> .cer format.  Then edit it, copy and past into a dataset on the mainframe.
> >>
> >Is it ASCII, EBCDIC, or neutral?  What must you edit?
> >
> >
> >>><
> https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf
> >
> >>>
> >Of course you can trust the PC.  It's where you keep your credit cards.
> >
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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Rebecca Richards]

I have already posted on Indeed. I’ll post on other sites. I’ll check to see if 
my school has an placement office. And I’ll reach out to his former colleagues
Thanks  
Rebecca Richards


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On Tuesday, June 13, 2023, 11:23 AM, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

Does your school have a placement office?

Have you created accounts on, e.g., Dice, Monster?

Have you tried networking with your husband's colleagues?

Good luck.


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Subject: Re: Mainframe help now available!

Hi All,
 This Is Rebecca Richards, my Late Robert Richards who was a contributor on 
here and a Senior Systems Programmer with Dine Development Corp.
I recently got certified for Studies to be a z/OS Systems Operator and Entry 
level Systems Programmer and im still continuing my education while trying to 
find a job.
Can anyone recommend the best way to find a job when first starting out?
I am certified through IBM and I am certified with
z/OS Enterprise Environment 2.4IBM Mainframe Systems Systems Operator Level 1 
with JCL, SDSF, JES2, TSO/ISPF, z/OS, Touching Base
Also with z/VM Monitoring and controlling z/VM operations.
I also am certified with z/VM concepts, System Initialization and Shutdown
I’m now working on my certification for a newrelease 2.5 that has that was 
added to my schooling
Any advice would be appreciated. The school I’mEnrolled in is IBM Interskill 
and I’m looking to start out as a Systems Operator.
Thanks everyone for your time Rebecca Richards


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FR Solutions has programs to help find resources or build new resources for 
organizations in search of Mainframe professionals.  With the marketplace 
shrinking in the MF skills area, we can help.  
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1tiDaOh9cgm-jBhKGsVwe3qamV_ujgrgAVEzmxXaA41yVnrk_HEAnrvNzEOfe8wWn1ucftKj5daqexfdb5jXQXeXcLf2kFJFysVughqbrWyJNyB_JgpYde_JzZmq8Iq_k6eNLUEFQSp_1WLaa6nSKUyAKdFJAJeHqWMWFUCncXpoTNjt7IUBdCF7nZaxGgrmTU8VU5wydFUha5XpZMeTrrZfx5C7JN-infpkweSkJG3gcDKZgUdUOzSbMHOKsSkyq-K-s6YYgIFcySH9T0CF-wWxxdjx7pR1aluyrf0EQWZ2hpy5JkAyRbNyPMJKpkOuph4kswiYDUOD9TVG4wBs4fNXm9HgvkYCnP7Am-ol1RXCl0q6_2BKgeDgJV-_3uJJSr3rOPttvQfHPC2UUo_5ln9e-rJS3UJWroPQ0S15fdDg/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.frsolutionscorp.com%2Fmainframe

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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Seymour J Metz]

Worker bee: Why did you tell the cusomer that we could easilly add foo when 
it's the one thing that we cannot add with this design?
Project manager: I have confidence in you.

"Remember that after Achilles cleaned the Augean Stables, he killed he man who 
asked him to to it'' Robert Townsend in Up the Organization.


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Orchestra conductor talking to a violin player: "I know you usually play the 
violin, but today we need another french horn player. You are a musician. You 
can do it."

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Does your school have a placement office?

Have you created accounts on, e.g., Dice, Monster?

Have you tried networking with your husband's colleagues?

Good luck.


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Hi All,
 This Is Rebecca Richards, my Late Robert Richards who was a contributor on 
here and a Senior Systems Programmer with Dine Development Corp.
I recently got certified for Studies to be a z/OS Systems Operator and Entry 
level Systems Programmer and im still continuing my education while trying to 
find a job.
Can anyone recommend the best way to find a job when first starting out?
I am certified through IBM and I am certified with
z/OS Enterprise Environment 2.4IBM Mainframe Systems Systems Operator Level 1 
with JCL, SDSF, JES2, TSO/ISPF, z/OS, Touching Base
Also with z/VM Monitoring and controlling z/VM operations.
I also am certified with z/VM concepts, System Initialization and Shutdown
I’m now working on my certification for a newrelease 2.5 that has that was 
added to my schooling
Any advice would be appreciated. The school I’mEnrolled in is IBM Interskill 
and I’m looking to start out as a Systems Operator.
Thanks everyone for your time Rebecca Richards


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FR Solutions has programs to help find resources or build new resources for 
organizations in search of Mainframe professionals.  With the marketplace 
shrinking in the MF skills area, we can help.  
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1tiDaOh9cgm-jBhKGsVwe3qamV_ujgrgAVEzmxXaA41yVnrk_HEAnrvNzEOfe8wWn1ucftKj5daqexfdb5jXQXeXcLf2kFJFysVughqbrWyJNyB_JgpYde_JzZmq8Iq_k6eNLUEFQSp_1WLaa6nSKUyAKdFJAJeHqWMWFUCncXpoTNjt7IUBdCF7nZaxGgrmTU8VU5wydFUha5XpZMeTrrZfx5C7JN-infpkweSkJG3gcDKZgUdUOzSbMHOKsSkyq-K-s6YYgIFcySH9T0CF-wWxxdjx7pR1aluyrf0EQWZ2hpy5JkAyRbNyPMJKpkOuph4kswiYDUOD9TVG4wBs4fNXm9HgvkYCnP7Am-ol1RXCl0q6_2BKgeDgJV-_3uJJSr3rOPttvQfHPC2UUo_5ln9e-rJS3UJWroPQ0S15fdDg/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.frsolutionscorp.com%2Fmainframe

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Hi All,
 This Is Rebecca Richards, my Late Robert Richards who was a contributor on 
here and a Senior Systems Programmer with Dine Development Corp.
I recently got certified for Studies to be a z/OS Systems Operator and Entry 
level Systems Programmer and im still continuing my education while trying to 
find a job.
Can anyone recommend the best way to find a job when first starting out? 
I am certified through IBM and I am certified with 
z/OS Enterprise Environment 2.4IBM Mainframe Systems Systems Operator Level 1 
with JCL, SDSF, JES2, TSO/ISPF, z/OS, Touching Base
Also with z/VM Monitoring and controlling z/VM operations.
I also am certified with z/VM concepts, System Initialization and Shutdown
I’m now working on my certification for a newrelease 2.5 that has that was 
added to my schooling
Any advice would be appreciated. The school I’mEnrolled in is IBM Interskill 
and I’m looking to start out as a Systems Operator. 
Thanks everyone for your time Rebecca Richards


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FR Solutions has programs to help find resources or build new resources for 
organizations in search of Mainframe professionals.  With the marketplace 
shrinking in the MF skills area, we can help.  
https://www.frsolutionscorp.com/mainframe

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Re: [EXT] Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Crawford Robert C (Contractor)]

Nice Sabbath reference.  

Robert Crawford
Abstract Evolutions LLC
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This also fits into an easy game.  Name that song:
"Treating people just like pawns in chess, wait till their judgment day comes, 
yeah!"

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 9:47 AM Tom Marchant < 
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> a musician. You can do it."
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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[P H]

As an old timer, having worked for 46+ years, I well remember the good old 
Personal department. They were always very helpful and more importantly took 
responsibility to resolve/address the issue/problem I had raised. Then came 
along the Human Resources department. They never took responsibility, failed to 
address the issue and 'closed' it by just quoting the rules from the employees 
or the managers handbook. During a meeting (town hall for the US folks) which I 
attended, held by HR for PR purposes, got the same old BS from them. I publicly 
suggested to the HR managers that the 'value' we got from their department the 
more appropriate name for HR would be department of Human Remains. At least it 
generated a great applause from the 100+ attendees.

Regards

Parwez Hamid​

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Bridges 
Sent: 13 June 2023 14:04
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Subject: Re: Mainframe help now available!

Regarding your first paragraph: To be fair to the "Human Resources" moniker, 
the point when it first became chic was to remind the Personnel department that 
people, too, are important to the organization.  We don't abuse computers or 
desks, we don't waste pens or typewriter ribbons, we ought to treat the human 
beings too as valuable.

Regarding your second: A change in terminology doesn't by itself fix an 
underlying problem.  "HR" became the new word for "Personnel", but a company, 
to survive, still has to spend as little as possible and produce as much as 
possible.  And the centralized HR folks can never understand your value as well 
as your boss can...even if your boss can't.

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Brennan
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 20:42

When things like the "Project Management Office" became common in maybe the 
late 1990's where I worked, they called us Resources.  I remember writing a 
note back saying I'm not a lump of coal or even a vein of gold.

The real problem though, was like you mentioned, they treated us as a simple 
headcount.  That didn't work because it might take 10 of me to do the work of 
(for example) one good CICS person, if I can figure it out at all.

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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Bfishing]

This also fits into an easy game.  Name that song:
"Treating people just like pawns in chess, wait till their judgment day
comes, yeah!"

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 9:47 AM Tom Marchant <
000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

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> the violin, but today we need another french horn player. You are a
> musician. You can do it."
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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Tom Marchant]

Orchestra conductor talking to a violin player: "I know you usually play the 
violin, but today we need another french horn player. You are a musician. You 
can do it."

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Re: The new requirement for Certificates to communicate with IBM -- A Journey

[Peter Vander Woude]

I open the file created by the export, using notepad.  Select all the text in 
the file, copy and then in an edit of a dataset with the following 
characteristics:

recfm=vb
lrecl=84

I paste the text from the pc file.  The  use that as the source for the 
RACDCERT import of the CA Cert, making sure to mark the certificate as trusted.

Peter

On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 08:36:34 -0500, Paul Gilmartin  wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 08:22:03 -0500, Peter Vander Woude wrote:
>
>>What I have done, to get these certificates, is to look at the keystore on 
>>the pc, and save a copy of the certauth record from there, in base64 .cer 
>>format.  Then edit it, copy and past into a dataset on the mainframe.
>> 
>Is it ASCII, EBCDIC, or neutral?  What must you edit?
>
>
>>>
>>>
>Of course you can trust the PC.  It's where you keep your credit cards.
>
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Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Bob Bridges]

Regarding your first paragraph: To be fair to the "Human Resources" moniker, 
the point when it first became chic was to remind the Personnel department that 
people, too, are important to the organization.  We don't abuse computers or 
desks, we don't waste pens or typewriter ribbons, we ought to treat the human 
beings too as valuable.

Regarding your second: A change in terminology doesn't by itself fix an 
underlying problem.  "HR" became the new word for "Personnel", but a company, 
to survive, still has to spend as little as possible and produce as much as 
possible.  And the centralized HR folks can never understand your value as well 
as your boss can...even if your boss can't.

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-Dave Barry, 2000-09-17 */

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Tom 
Brennan
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 20:42

When things like the "Project Management Office" became common in maybe the 
late 1990's where I worked, they called us Resources.  I remember writing a 
note back saying I'm not a lump of coal or even a vein of gold.

The real problem though, was like you mentioned, they treated us as a simple 
headcount.  That didn't work because it might take 10 of me to do the work of 
(for example) one good CICS person, if I can figure it out at all.

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Re: [EXT] Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Pommier, Rex]

I resemble that remark!  Been in z/OS since the MVS 2.1.7 days.  Due to a 
buyout several years ago it was decided we had too many z/OS people so I was 
magically transformed overnight to an IDMS DBA.  You can imagine how well that 
worked out.  :-)

Rex

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Crawford Robert C (Contractor)
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 7:47 AM
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I knew a couple of VP's who didn't understand why mainframe folks weren't 
interchangeable.  

You have too many MVS guys and need a CICS guy.  Move an MVS guy over to the 
CICS team.  What could be simpler?

Robert Crawford
Abstract Evolutions LLC
(210) 913-3822

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Brennan
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LOL.  When things like the "Project Management Office" became common in maybe 
the late 1990's where I worked, they called us Resources.  I remember writing a 
note back saying I'm not a lump of coal or even a vein of gold.

The real problem though, was like you mentioned, they treated us as a simple 
headcount.  That didn't work because it might take 10 of me to do the work of 
(for example) one good CICS person, if I can figure it out at all.

On 6/12/2023 4:18 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 at 22:13, James FRSolutions 
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> FR Solutions has programs to help find resources or build new 
>> resources for organizations in search of Mainframe professionals.
>> With the marketplace shrinking in the MF skills area, we can help.
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.frsolutionscorp.com/mainframe
>> __;!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj!oQz1-URQ342S9blWoHgOyB7gysvEqv5d-INkehcKozKKawU
>> a34E5wE-e5gCFhUvne1QKrsGJVKIBhsULcAuhdH7pO2ImPlifHaWi$
> 
> 
> So "resources" is your respectful word for, uh people? I've always 
> aspired to be a resource. Or maybe a headcount.
> 
> Tony H.
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Re: The new requirement for Certificates to communicate with IBM -- A Journey

[Kurt J. Quackenbush]

> ...  The named labels, the download steps (Only the new Intermediate was 
> required)., the upload steps, the
> Cert adds (yes trusted).  the keyring connect to the same keyring used for 
> the last successful loads.

The intermediate is NOT required.  You can safely remove that one from your 
keyring.  

> I have gone further to display the cert by the long character string value.  
> and displayed the cert only to have it tell me "Incomplete" but not why.

I still don't understand this "Incomplete".  Perhaps it is a red herring, but 
where do you see this, and when?  I may have missed it in an earlier post, but 
what specific errors are you getting from SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER?  Are the errors 
occurring when submitting orders to the order server?  Or are the failures on 
the download of the order files?  You can contact me directly if you'd like to 
pursue in more detail off-list.

Kurt Quackenbush
IBM  |  z/OS SMP/E and z/OSMF Software Management  |  ku...@us.ibm.com

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Re: [EXT] Re: Mainframe help now available!

[Crawford Robert C (Contractor)]

I knew a couple of VP's who didn't understand why mainframe folks weren't 
interchangeable.  

You have too many MVS guys and need a CICS guy.  Move an MVS guy over to the 
CICS team.  What could be simpler?

Robert Crawford
Abstract Evolutions LLC
(210) 913-3822

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Tom 
Brennan
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 7:42 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXT] Re: Mainframe help now available!

LOL.  When things like the "Project Management Office" became common in maybe 
the late 1990's where I worked, they called us Resources.  I remember writing a 
note back saying I'm not a lump of coal or even a vein of gold.

The real problem though, was like you mentioned, they treated us as a simple 
headcount.  That didn't work because it might take 10 of me to do the work of 
(for example) one good CICS person, if I can figure it out at all.

On 6/12/2023 4:18 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 at 22:13, James FRSolutions 
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> FR Solutions has programs to help find resources or build new 
>> resources for organizations in search of Mainframe professionals.  
>> With the marketplace shrinking in the MF skills area, we can help.
>> https://www.frsolutionscorp.com/mainframe
> 
> 
> So "resources" is your respectful word for, uh people? I've always 
> aspired to be a resource. Or maybe a headcount.
> 
> Tony H.
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Re: The new requirement for Certificates to communicate with IBM -- A Journey

[Bruce Hewson]

Hello Tom,

If you have been using COPY/PASTE to move/convert text data up to ISPF EDIT, 
you may have some character conversion issue. The one I am seeing here lateky 
are in COPY/PASET from MS Teams chat sessions.  In my case some blank 
characters are ending up a x'41' EBCDIC -  RACF would not like that.  Just 
something to check.

On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 17:04:33 -0500, Tom Longfellow 
 wrote:

>Thank you Charles.
>
>you have just spelled out every single step that I have already performed.  
>The named labels, the download steps (Only the new Intermediate was 
>required)., the upload steps, the Cert adds (yes trusted).  the keyring 
>connect to the same keyring used for the last successful loads.
>I have gone further to display the cert by the long character string value.  
>and displayed the cert only to have it tell me "Incomplete" but not why.
>
>It is annoying when you do the same thing that used to work.. that you have 
>been assured WILL work and it DOES NOT work.
>


Regards
Bruce

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