Re: Will z/OS be obsolete in 5 years?

2023-07-18 Thread David Crayford
> On 19 Jul 2023, at 12:44 pm, kekronbekron > <02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > The "gift" is not containers but container tech... layering. > Just lifting and shifting distributed tech onto mainframe, with no > consideration of the extreme complexities is very

Re: Will z/OS be obsolete in 5 years?

2023-07-18 Thread kekronbekron
The "gift" is not containers but container tech... layering. Just lifting and shifting distributed tech onto mainframe, with no consideration of the extreme complexities is very wasteful. Container orchestration exists because some of those containers (or the hosts they may run on) may have a

Re: Will z/OS be obsolete in 5 years?

2023-07-18 Thread David Crayford
> On 19 Jul 2023, at 9:52 am, kekronbekron > <02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Here's a dumb and bold prediction - the guts of RHEL (CoreOS) will be laid > bare within zOS. Nice idea, but I doubt it. > USS becomes LSS. zOS native containers are actually normal

Re: Will z/OS be obsolete in 5 years?

2023-07-18 Thread David Crayford
> On 19 Jul 2023, at 11:28 am, zMan wrote: > > Bill, Bill, Bill. Stick to stuff you know something about. IF quantum > computers ever become realistically powerful, they will have VERY specific > uses. They are not suited for general-purpose computing. Nobody even > quantum-adjacent disputes

Re: Will z/OS be obsolete in 5 years?

2023-07-18 Thread zMan
Bill, Bill, Bill. Stick to stuff you know something about. IF quantum computers ever become realistically powerful, they will have VERY specific uses. They are not suited for general-purpose computing. Nobody even quantum-adjacent disputes that, as even the most cursory reading of the research

Re: Will z/OS be obsolete in 5 years?

2023-07-18 Thread kekronbekron
Here's a dumb and bold prediction - the guts of RHEL (CoreOS) will be laid bare within zOS. USS becomes LSS. zOS native containers are actually normal containers that you see in the linux world. DSFS and zCX end up helping to blur the boundaries between zOS and LSS. zOS is not going away. But we

Re: Will z/OS be obsolete in 5 years?

2023-07-18 Thread Bill Johnson
Quantum computing is the future. And IBM is the leader.  https://www.forbes.com/sites/karlfreund/2023/06/14/ibm-achieves-breakthrough-in-quantum-computing/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, July 18, 2023, 8:47 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: IBM RHEL announced it's move to closed source

Will z/OS be obsolete in 5 years?

2023-07-18 Thread Jon Perryman
IBM RHEL announced it's move to closed source (IBM RedHat Enterprise Linux). With some changes, DB2, RACF and other z/OS products could run in Linux on z16 in one sysplexed Linux image. We know it's possible because IBM moved Unix and TCP into z/OS. IBM RHEL said closed source would force

Re: Equivalent of TSOLIB for batch

2023-07-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:58:54 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: > >It is pure batch, which may have only the single task. > If it's pure batch, with only a single task, code STEPLIB in JCL. If it's Assembler with multiple tasks, code TASKLIB in the ATTACH MACRO. What environment prevents this? >On

Re: Equivalent of TSOLIB for batch

2023-07-18 Thread Binyamin Dissen
If I was using TSO in batch it would be quite easy. There are many parent tasks available. It is pure batch, which may have only the single task. On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 10:53:23 -0500 "Lionel B. Dyck" wrote: :>I'm assuming (and I know the danger of doing that) that you are using TSO in :>batch

Re: Equivalent of TSOLIB for batch

2023-07-18 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Binyamin AMV"SH, Please see CBT File 452 (and 797). Regards, David On 2023-07-18 11:49, Binyamin Dissen wrote: I am trying to do the equivalent of TSOLIB for BATCH, i.e., dynamically adding loadlibs. I do not have spare parent tasks that I can hang a JLB DCB. It appears that the system is

Re: Equivalent of TSOLIB for batch

2023-07-18 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
I'm assuming (and I know the danger of doing that) that you are using TSO in batch since you mention TSOLIB. Check out the STEPLIB command on www.cbttape.org in file 452. If nothing else you can look at the source code to see how it does it. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website:

Equivalent of TSOLIB for batch

2023-07-18 Thread Binyamin Dissen
I am trying to do the equivalent of TSOLIB for BATCH, i.e., dynamically adding loadlibs. I do not have spare parent tasks that I can hang a JLB DCB. It appears that the system is very protective of STEPLIB and will not allow me to dynamically concat datasets to it (even after closing it in the

Re: RSU Maintenance: Asking For a Friend

2023-07-18 Thread Colin Paice
I know of one very large customer with many hundred of LPARs, changed they way they did maintenance. If they had MVSA, MVSB,MCSC,MVSD, they created a new LPAR MVSE, with all the maintenance of all products on it. They added it to the sysplex, and when it proved to work, they removed(killed)

Re: RSU Maintenance: Asking For a Friend

2023-07-18 Thread Roger W Suhr
My opinion: If the SYSPLEX capacity for each LPAR is designed to accept the workload of another LPAR and you have procedures in place to move the load from one LPAR to another, it should be possible to do that. After all, that is the main purpose of creating a SYPLEX. Please let me know if

Re: RSU Maintenance: Asking For a Friend

2023-07-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
No. But you can shift the workload and wait for current jobs to finish. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 10:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: RSU Maintenance: Asking For a Friend

2023-07-18 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Tom, Can you workload shift running Jobs from one LPAR to another? (Please note too this customer's Initiator setup is different on every LPAR.) Regards, David On 2023-07-18 09:52, Tom Marchant wrote: In a Sysplex environment it is possible to shift the workload off of one system so that

Re: RSU Maintenance: Asking For a Friend

2023-07-18 Thread Tom Marchant
In a Sysplex environment it is possible to shift the workload off of one system so that it can be IPLed at any time, not just on weekends. IMO, customers that are stuck in the old way of doing things should not serve as a model for others. -- Tom Marchant On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 06:52:02 -0400,

Re: Copy Jes2 Joblog

2023-07-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 13:30:18 +, Rob Scott wrote: >Munif > >You could use SDSF REXX to achieve what you want quite easily. You could >either insert a separator between each DD, or write to a new member of a PDS >with (maybe) member name = DD name. > I did that long ago, target is a UNIX

Re: Copy Jes2 Joblog

2023-07-18 Thread Rob Scott
Munif You could use SDSF REXX to achieve what you want quite easily. You could either insert a separator between each DD, or write to a new member of a PDS with (maybe) member name = DD name. Sample SDSF REXX statements can be generated using the in-product "RGEN" command (which will produce

Copy Jes2 Joblog

2023-07-18 Thread Munif Sadek
Is there a way (like sdsf XDC) to copy JES2 job output either to a dataset or ZFS with segregation of JESMSGLG JESJCL JESYSMSG SMPOUT SMPRPT SMPLOG SYSPRINT etc rather as a PS. regards Munif. -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: z/OS installation Question

2023-07-18 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Thanks We managed to figure out that you need to create a new catalog entry, which is one of the options in the Actions Menu. Gadi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kurt J. Quackenbush Sent: יום ג 18 יולי 2023 15:24 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: which configuration members were used when a zos system ipl

2023-07-18 Thread Peter Relson
Mark J wrote: You can specify most configuration members like LPA, PROG, OMVS as options on the D IPLINFO command. The response back will display what was used at IPL time. As Mark wrote, you can specify all "system parameters" (i.e., those in IEASYSxx) as an operand of DISPLAY IPLINFO to

Re: z/OS installation Question

2023-07-18 Thread Kurt J. Quackenbush
> There is a column in the dataset list named 'Must be in Master Catalog'. For > some datasets the value is YES. > How do I change this to NO or BLANK? You can't change that value, but you don't need to, because that column is only tourist information and does not affect z/OSMF's processing.

Re: How to set a SLIP to catch S0C4 in OMVS separate AS

2023-07-18 Thread Peter Relson
CEE3204S The system detected a protection exception (System Completion Code=0C4). From compile unit TOROLABA:./Objects/object.c at entry point PyObject_Hash at statement 769 at compile unit offset +1C3A79B4 at entry offset +0074 at address 1C3A79B4.

Re: RSU Maintenance: Asking For a Friend

2023-07-18 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Brian, One of my customers decided (many years ago) to upgrade software/apply maintenance once a year (on each of their 4 complexes). There are not enough weekends in the year to do this more frequently (due to other groups doing upgrades and "blocked out" weekends). Regards, David On

z/OS installation Question

2023-07-18 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Hi, We are in the process of installing z/OS v2.5. We are using z/OSMF under z/OS v2.3. We've changed the names of most of the datasets and libraries. We now have three High Level Qualifiers. We would like datasets and libraries with an HLQ of SYS1 and CPAC to be cataloged in a master catalog,

Re: which configuration members were used when a zos system ipl

2023-07-18 Thread Rob Scott
The SDSF command “SYSP” will show them – and if you are z/OS 2.5 you can use the “L” action against those that have member suffix specifications to show them in the logical PARMLIB concatenations. Rob Scott Rocket Software From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: 18

Re: RSU Maintenance: Asking For a Friend

2023-07-18 Thread Brian Westerman
All RSU's are not created equal. The quarterly ones (i.e. 2303 2306 2309 2312), are tested by IBM differently and tend to be "easier" to install. There is NEVER a good reason to skip maintenance for a long period of time. Only doing maintenance when you install a new copy of the OS is a