Re: Is z/OS FTP encrypted?

On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 06:54:48 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: > ... >We use ssh on all systems. No telnet. > How does TN3270 connect? I had thought it was TELNET with some handshaking. Or used to be. Headshaking?

Re: Is z/OS FTP encrypted?

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:33:52 -0500, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: >You might try sftp - even if you don't have the Dovetail Co:Z Toolkit for z/OS >access you can still sftp to your omvs filesystem and then use OGET or cp to >copy into z/OS datasets. That is 100% secure. > Does that "sftp" require that

Re: Is z/OS FTP encrypted?

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:26:47 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >The OP was just asking a casual question, and as soon as he heard that z/OS >FTP isn't encrypted by default he went on to other matters. I've been >following the subsequent conversation but for now I'm just gritting my teeth >and using IN

Re: Is z/OS FTP encrypted?

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 18:15:50 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >... >Alan says Filezilla supports FTPS, so no need for AT-TLS with Filezilla. > Doesn't FTPS use AT-TLS? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive acces

Re: Is z/OS FTP encrypted?

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 05:15:13 +, Timothy Sipples wrote: >... >A very long while. z/OS 1.2 (Generally Available on October 26, 2001) >introduced support for TLS/SSL FTP (a.k.a. FTPS) along with related security >enhancements. That was for both the FTP client and server. Of course there >h

Re: Is z/OS FTP encrypted?

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:53:41 -0500, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: >Any chance you can use sftp (ssh) ? > If the desktop files were not uploaded to CKD data sets, sftp should suffice: if the files were (unwosely) uploaded to CKD, Co:Z night suffic

Re: PCOMM 15 UID

On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:30:21 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >I noticed that PCOMM v15 add UID= statement to the session.WS files. >The value is long hex number, I guess it is random. > >Q: what is the meaning of the UID? > >Q2: is there any PCOMM forum or group? > UID? UUID?

Re: RMODE 64

On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 20:12:25 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >Just want to corroborate something >I had a program that I linked RMODE64 > Wait until 3.2. IBM is trying to fix everything. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

Re: SDSF-REXX question

On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 21:02:55 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >It was obvious for me, but I didn't express it clearly: yes, I want to >check *last* job with the jobname. >BTW: does regular ISPF edit SUBMIT get a jobid as a return value? > Perhaps not. However:

REXX fxattr get?

in: Chapter 3. The syscall commands... fxattr list I read: Function fxattr list retrieves the list of extended attribute names associated with the given path in the filesystem. The retrieved list is placed in list, a c

Re: SDSF-REXX question

On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 23:36:22 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >Some REXX script submit a job. >How to check job RC using SDSF-REXX interface? > >The jobname is not unique, however previous jobs were ended long time >ago (i.e. one day). > I assume you know tie (non-unique) job names that interest yo

Re: JAVA: Can it handle TIOT read?

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 10:57:01 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote: >I'm working on a project to "modernize" ALC to Java. > >And I have code that is reading the TIOT to find DDs that the >process is interested in. > All the suggestions I've seen in this thread so far seem to presume Java support for CALL (

Re: IBM macros, SIIS and RENT (was: Relative Instructions not generated by some IBM macros, e.g. STORAGE and ATTACHX)

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 17:37:58 +0200, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: >... >what do you think of the idea asking IBM to provide a similar technique >(an optional parameter, >like MF=L and MF=E, which is present on almost all macros) on their >macros, so that the >definition of the work areas can be put in

Re: Relative Instructions not generated by some IBM macros, e.g. STORAGE and ATTACHX

On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 14:19:38 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >I hadn't ever viewed the relative instructions as completely replacing >addressability. Interesting. > >I do suspect that this is never going to be "fixed": it's a lot of work, and >it essentially ain't broken, so... > "Enhanced" might

Re: Simple Rexx question

On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 10:46:03 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: >On 8/24/2024 10:25 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: >> Hi Ed, that sounds interesting, too...but is it something I can do >> from Rexx without adding the complexity of having to create an ASM >> routine, too? > >Unfortunately, no. A pure-REXX solution w

Re: Non-reentrant program not allowed (where?); Advantages of reentrant programs?

On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 13:12:10 +, Peter Relson wrote: > >Regarding REFRPROT/NOREFRPROT: >The "no" version had to be provided and had to be the default, for >compatibility reasons. >The refreshable attribute had always been ignored by MVS / OS/390 / z/OS so >there were plenty of cases where modu

Re: Non-reentrant program not allowed (where?); Advantages of reentrant programs?

On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:11:01 +, Lennie Bradshaw wrote: > . >As this was not always the case, and for compatibility purposes, it can be >disabled for non-authorised programs, I believe. > Is REFRPROT the default nowadays? IMO it was bad design ever to allow NOREFRPROT. REFR programs should h

Re: Simple Rexx question

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 19:15:13 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >I don't think I see the flaw yet. How would you define it? Because all DSDD >does is tell me whether a character string represents a (catalogued) DSN >and/or an (allocated) DDN; and if the problem you're thinking of is that the >situatio

Re: Simple Rexx question

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 16:57:05 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >Wait, so was Gil just asking whether there's a "danger" of (for example) the >DSN not being there when I run DSDD, but then coïncidentally having been >catalogued 20 milliseconds later when I start to try to create it? > >I guess that's a f

Re: Simple Rexx question

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:33:10 +, Billy Ashton wrote: > . >For output: >to a PDS member with data: BPX was 95% faster 100% of the time (I guess >there was a lot of work to set the EOF pointer and such) >... Update-in-place PDS member? I understand this was done for UADS to obviate the need

Re: Simple Rexx question

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 07:58:28 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >... >"EXECIO 5 DISKR Q1Q2Q3 (FINIS" > Fairly good idea. But suppose Q1Q2Q3 contains fewer than 5 records. I'll suggest: "EXECIO 0 DISK{r|w} Q1Q2Q3 (OPEN" Be sure to handle correctly the case where Q1Q2Q3 is writab

Re: Simple Rexx question

On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 09:28:34 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >I wrote these before learning about BPXWDYN, and I'm used to them now. To >tell you the truth, I STILL haven't learned about BPXWDYN, not really; I don't >do much with Unix, just enough to log on, create a user's home directory, >check ow

Re: Simple Rexx question

On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 21:04:34 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >I have two external REXX execs that I use frequently (depending on which one >you need): > >TEMPDD returns a DD name that is guaranteed not to be currently in use; it's >up to the caller to allocate it. I can specify a prefix; for example,

Re: Simple Rexx question

On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 19:54:38 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >LISTDSI has a FILENAME option to test a ddname. > >r == LISTDSI(ABCXYZ FILE) > Will that work for tapes? Most infuriatingly, I learned long ago thatn LISTDSI(ABCXYZ FILE) returns attributes of the FILE as I had intended, but those fr

Re: Simple Rexx question

On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 19:28:12 +, Billy Ashton wrote: >Hi all, I have a simple question, but my searches are eluding me (maybe >I don't know what to ask for). > >In my Rexx program, before I try to do an EXECIO against it, I want to >do something to make sure the DD statement is there and con

Re: Filezilla & ZOS "native" datasets?

On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 12:07:41 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: >On Sun, Aug 18, 2024, at 11:57 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > >The sftp protocol doesn't have a cd command. > That's surprising. I suspect many clients and many servers extend that. >Which client implementation of sf

Re: Filezilla & ZOS "native" datasets?

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 22:46:36 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: >If you are using Co:Z SFTP (client or server with IBM z/OS OpenSSH), then the >syntax is: > >//hlq.my.dsn > >It also supports: > >/-/hlq.my.dsn > What states result from: cd /- (server) and lcd // (client)? In those states, wha

Re: Preserving RDW for VB Files in CA XCOM Transfers from z/OS to Linux

On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 19:26:56 -0500, Jason Cai wrote: > > We need to transfer a large number of Variable Blocked (VB) format files from > z/OS to Linux systems while maintaining the Record Descriptor Word (RDW) > intact. >Previously, using z/OS FTP, we achieved this with the bin command and locsi

ISPF Regular Expression: BRE vs. ERE?

(sent a week ago to ISPF-L; received no followup.) I read in Regular expressions (string, string1): ... matching a basic or extended regular expression. How can users indicate whether they are using BRE or ERE synta

Re: 3270 programming

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:33:41 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: >Hi Lennie, >"... (in the late 1970s) I wrote some program for TSO using 3270 >protocols. This was in the days before ISPF ..." >I Used ISPF's predecessor in the late '70s. (It was called SPF -- >Structured Programming Facility). > In that e

Re: Spawned address space name quandry

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 22:19:41 +, Mark Jacobs wrote: >I have an STC that when it initializes it spawns an OMVS address space. In two >of our three sysplexs the jobname is USERID1 as I would normally expect. On >the other sysplex the > Did you have _BPX_XHAREAS=MUST?

Re: getting HOLDDATE report after apply

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 15:04:21 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote: >The syntax requires a select specified and I have some 1400 sysmods.. > How about?: -- gil -- For IBM-M

Re: getting HOLDDATE report after apply

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 13:33:17 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote: >How might I get a HOLDDATA report after an APPLY was done? >Please advise > Is this useful?: -- gil --

Re: Ability to pass symbolic variable back from REXX to JCL?

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 13:10:28 -0500, Steve Estle \ wrote: >Thanks to responses. > >Follow-on question - I have looked through JCL Ref Guide & Init & Tuning Guide >and can't seem to find what I am looking for. I am looking for exhaustive >built-in symbols list (such as &SYSUID) that can be used

Re: Ability to pass symbolic variable back from REXX to JCL?

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 14:28:11 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >There's no way to do it in a single job. Could you instead dynamically >allocate the files? >... I'm pretty sure that referbacks won't help either. Use ADDRESS LINKMVS to invoke the target program[s] in the same job step. >

Re: Sic transit PDF?

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 11:43:53 +, Peter Relson wrote: >Gil wrote > The PDF was in two-up format >and I failed to read the second column. > > >Just curious: which book was that? I know that PoP is, but I didn't realize >there were others. > DFSORT Messages, Codes and Diagnosis Guide SC23-6879-60

Re: 3270 programming

On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:12:35 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos-basic-skills?topic=terminal-3270-data-stream >Specifically listed but no link, > is it here: -- gil

Re: 3270 programming

On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:30:15 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >Might be useful to know what OP wants to do. There are things like the >IND$FILE protocol that aren't documented, or barely; IIRC, the best doc on >that one is hiding in the PC3270 book. But it was 30+ years ago, from the >Relay/Gold d

Re: 3270 programming

On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:16:15 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >There have been no updates. > Does IBM continue to support the device? If not, there's little business case to provide user's manuals. Regardless, some documentation is necessary as long as IBM products depend on 3270 data streams. -- gi

Re: Sic transit PDF?

On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:30:26 -0500, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: >Colin - agree 10,000% - the thumbs up/down is cute but I use the PDFs and >there is no way to report issues with a PDF. > I'll correct myself and apologize here. My complaint about PDF incompleteness was in error. The PDF was in two-u

Sic transit PDF?

I was in an off-list discussion with a Developer where I mentioned where an M&C PDF Programmer response contained insufficient information to resolve a problem. Developer supplied URL of the web page, which contains the necessary information. Catch-22: RCF process is gone. Doc problems can be

Re: .netrc for OpenSSH SFTP command?

On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 07:49:04 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: >On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 21:55:45 + "Pew, Curtis G"\ wrote: > >:>The sftp protocol is a part of ssh, and ssh supports public/private key >authentication, so you can avoid the use of passwords. > +1 Why not? Avoid keeping passwords in fill

Re: Filezilla & ZOS "native" datasets?

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 22:04:05 -0500, Steve Estle wrote: >... The unfortunate thing is Windows 10 native SFTP client does not allow > for Ascii or Bin settings so that is why I think I'm hoping to get better > results with one of two open source FTP clients. > At times I've fallen back to ssh

Re: Filezilla & ZOS "native" datasets?

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 19:12:10 -0400, Rob Schramm wrote: >Add coz. Sshd will serve datasets. Client must support secsh v6...not v2. > Ah! So that requires an ISV product on the z. That hadn't been previously mentioned specifically here:\ >> That's

Re: How to "touch" mainframe files

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 21:20:18 +, Farley, Peter wrote: >Re: “. . . when initiation was changed so PGM=IEFBR14 might bypass some >recalls . . .”, can you cite a reference for that change? I never heard of >any such change in the behavior of step allocation, whether PGM=IEFBR14 or >not. Many

Re: How to "touch" mainframe files

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 16:12:12 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >Well there you go: > >//MASK EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 >//STEPLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=some.dataset.name > >Looked before, DOLR was 8/1; repeated to be sure looking at DOLR didn't change >DOLR (which would be Bad, but); ran job; now D

Re: How to "touch" mainframe files

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 20:32:32 +, Farley, Peter wrote: >Yes it does – recalling large migrated files may not have enough free DASD to >get recalled, especially when there are lots of them (as OP also said I >believe). > Once an NFS user did a generic query which recalled, well, everything until

Re: Filezilla & ZOS "native" datasets?

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 14:17:46 -0400, Mike Shaw wrote: >... >That said, I don't think the /_'.' construct is unique to the >Tectia SSH server. I found a reference to a similar construct in the z/OS >V2R5 OpenSSH User's Guide in the section titled "Accessing MVS data sets >within sftp". It

Re: Filezilla & ZOS "native" datasets?

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 10:08:34 -0500, Ramsey Hallman wrote: >As mentioned by Mike Shaw yesterday, the below will list z/OS datasets with >any high-level qualifier: > >/__SYS2. > Given that the z/OS sshd doesn't grok Classic data sets, how do Filezilla et al. clients accomplish this? Some z/OS utilit

Re: Filezilla & ZOS "native" datasets?

tem Messages and Codes Neither title matches my expectations of a User's Guide. >>> On Saturday, August 3rd, 2024 at 1:00 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 16:35:05 +, Mark Jacobs wrote: >>>> >>>> Not direct

Re: Filezilla & ZOS "native" datasets?

On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 13:52:52 -0400, Mike Shaw wrote: > >In Filezilla, after you logon to the remote site using SFTP (SSH) as the >protocol, in the 'Remote site:' box on the right top side of the Filezilla >window, type this in as the remote site directory identifier: > >/_'.' > Citation nee

Re: Filezilla & ZOS "native" datasets?

On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 16:35:05 +, Mark Jacobs wrote: >Not directly but you might be able to leverage DSFS to do so. > Don't know. Where's the DSFS User's Guide? Might one of the ISV products, Dovetailed or Rocket facilitate this? (S)FTP was not designed for GUI or scripting. It presumes huma

Re: How to "touch" mainframe files

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 23:22:31 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >Well this is interesting, in that it sounds like I'm not the only one who's >not 100% clear on what the rules are for "touch". Doc doesn't say much either >(typical *ix doc). > And if z/OS doc were as complete as you might wish, this que

Re: How to "touch" mainframe files

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 23:24:44 +, Gibney, Dave wrote: >I always understood that Unix touch was primarily used to for non-distructive >assurance that the file existed. No changes to an existing file and >automatically creating a file when it was not already there. > "touch" creates a file but up

Re: How to "touch" mainframe files

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 16:30:02 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >... >In fact, the more I think about this, I now wonder what "last referenced" even >means; I assume it's time of last access, not change? > Beware the differe

T11 Print train CCSID?

What CCSID matches the classic T11 print train? In DFSMSdfp Advanced Services i find several mentions of T11 and a couple of CCSID, but none showing a correspondence. Is there a better place too look? How can the CHARACTERS value returned by SDSF be converted to a CCSID? -- gil -

Re: LISTDSI Bad return value z/OS 3.1

On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 21:32:48 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote: >Thanks to Kolusu, I re-examined my DD statement, and UNIT=3390 >was one char too much and so it became UNIT=339. > (That seems to have been an off-list communication; Idon't see it in the archives.) Did Kolusu explain what syntactic pro

Re: YA Leap Second Smear Idea

On Mon, 29 Jul 2024 22:54:03 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Second hand; no subscription required: ><https://www.notus.org/2024-election/timothy-mellon-rfk-trump-donor> > Rats! pasted the wrong link. Try: <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2024-July/059016.html> >

YA Leap Second Smear Idea

Second hand; no subscription required: That's a compromise, or "kicking the can down the road." The proponent is a scientist with NIST. If this were to become a standard, replacing UTC, how might z/OS adapt. Does the TIME ma

Re: Can I edit uncataloged datasets?

On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:48:53 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote: >If the dataset is SMS managed and the dataset is not cataloged in your current >catalog structure, you can't edit it without specifying the volser. > >For instance, if you use 3.4 and display a SMS volume (by volser and not >displayin

Re: Does MVCDK move 'per byte' like MVC?

On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 17:01:35 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >Sorry, it appears to operate between doubleword (multiple of 8 byte) >boundary to other processors, page 301 on >https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/SSQ2R2_15.0.0/com.ibm.tpf.toolkit.hlasm.doc/dz9zr006.pdf > I'm trying to visualize. Either source o

Re: Does MVCDK move 'per byte' like MVC?

On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 16:03:40 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote: >MVC has another exemption. The entire 256 bytes appear to move at >once. > How can you tell? How might this "appear" different from moving sequentially? Was that true even on the earliest s/360? Is that to say that the move appears "blo

Re: Does MVCDK move 'per byte' like MVC?

On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 15:30:31 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: > >No - MVC has a specific exemption ("When the operands overlap, the result >is obtained as if the operands were processed one byte at a time and each >result byte were stored immediately after fetching the necessary operand >byte.") from the

Re: CTN's and auto DST changes

On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 22:51:59 +, George Kozakos <...@AU1.IBM.COM> wrote: >... >Note, you can only specify one time zone for the STP CTN. If you need to >manage multiple time zones then the other time zones need to be managed >manually. > Underreaching. Consider users in several time zon

Re: CTN's and auto DST changes

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 09:48:05 -0500, Paul Feller wrote: >Rex, short answer is no. > >If you have access to the IBM RedBooks please look at the IBM Z Server Time >Protocol Guide (SG24-8480-01). This manual might help you with any questions >you have. > >https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg24

Re: CTN's and auto DST changes

On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 15:19:09 +, Jousma, David wrote: >... Now that we have a lot of K systems, etc, I�d like to have the > majority of lpars set spring forward/back automatically for all lpars that > can, > All modern systems have automated this: . The

Servuce tools (was: World’s largest computer outage!)

On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 13:27:18 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: >Hi Phil, >With VSAM CSIs? ... Maybe you'd prefer SMP with CDS/CRQ PDSs? {:->} >(SMP4 PDSs could be mimicked by Directories/Files a lot easier than >implementing (SMP/e) VSAM.) > > >On 2024-07-21 13:14, Phil Smith III wrote: >>... >> My

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:49:04 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >... >As I've been saying for 30++ years: > Applications people worry about how it's going to work. > Systems people worry about how it's going to fail. >Neither Microsoft nor ClownStrike seem to have enough systems folks. >

Re: World’s largest computer outage!

On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 06:12:29 -0500, Joe Monk wrote: > > Cash is ..., universally accepted, > It says so, right on the dollar bill. *But* have you never seen a sign, "Cash not accepted"? I nave. In reaction, Colorado passed a law, which should have been superfluous, requiring acceptanc

Re: World’s largest computer outing!

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:31:59 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: >*outage not *outing > Yes, but it may be better to replicate misspellings in Subject: lines to facilitate text searches. (Does LISTSERV support threading headers?) -- gil --

Re: Problem when transfereing PDS members using ftp.

On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 16:05:26 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote: >... >To Gil's point: it makes sense that if TZ is not set then the default would >be to match the z/OS system setting. Maybe BPXPRMxx would configure >how/whether this is done. > I ranted to that effect hereabouts several years ago. The

Re: Problem when transfereing PDS members using ftp.

On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 09:40:40 +, Sri Hari Kolusu wrote: >> When he looked at the destination he say that the last update time was 3 >> hours less than it should have been. > >Gadi, > >Check this >https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/time-tags-incorrect-ftp-generated-ispf-statistics > Sigh. Why,

Re: Tech Library -- Where is it hidden now

On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 12:49:12 -0500, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: >By drilling down you can find that link - >https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/3.1.0?topic=documentation-pdf-files-zos-310-library > >I was thinking that from the main link you can find that for any release. > What is the newest .pdx file y

Re: Tech Library -- Where is it hidden now

On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 15:46:26 +, Sri Hari Kolusu wrote: >> Thanks. Is there a way to sort (your specialty) or filter that list by date? > >Gil, > >Your wish granted. Check the attachment > >PS : I did use DFSORT. 😊 > (Of course.) Wow; thanks! Can you contribute your technique to Pubs so th

Re: Mainframe history - 12 inch floppies?

On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 05:19:52 +, Timothy Sipples wrote: >... >Drifting even further afield, ... > Many early personal computers used Compact Cassettes for program and data storage, often using inexpensive audio recorders as drives. Was the forma

Re: IRXJCL with sequential SYSEXEC

On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 18:31:19 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: >It is because on MVS, REXX execs can be mixed in with CLISTs in the SYSPROC >DD. In that case, it needs the comment to know that it is REXX. (Assuming >EXECUTIL SEARCHDD(YES) is in effect, which it is by default I think.) > >This is on

Re: Tech Library -- Where is it hidden now

On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 15:15:51 +, Sri Hari Kolusu wrote: >>> I use: >>> >o IBM got 3.1 right the first time; there's little need for updates? > > >Gil, > >In the URL that you use , If you click on the " All P

Re: IRXJCL with sequential SYSEXEC

xecblk> MEMBER Specifies the member name of the exec if the exec is in a partitioned data set. If the exec is in a sequential data set, this field must be blank. ISTR pretty clearly that in earlier releases it said, not "blank" but 8x'00'. Something may have cha

Re: IRXJCL with sequential SYSEXEC

On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 16:21:57 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: >... >My questions are: > >1. Why such an obscure method of saying that the SYSEXEC is sequential? Why >not, oh I don't know, process SYSEXEC as sequential if the organization of >SYSEXEC is sequential? > It would have been better.

Re: Tech Library -- Where is it hidden now

On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 12:59:56 +, Michael Watkins wrote: >I feel your pain. Why IBM hides the documentation that allows people to train >themselves (and reduces the TCO of the mainframe environment) is beyond me. >Have you tried this: > >https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/3.1.0 > I use:

Re: Mainframe history - 12 inch floppies?

On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 18:00:18 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >I just found information in some book that IBM mainframes used 12 inch >floppy diskettes. Late 70's. > "some"? >Anybody heard about such diskettes? -- gil -- For IB

Re: Mainframe history - 12 inch floppies?

On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:03:28 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >It's older than that: > > >1969 > Better: What does it say about floppy

Re: signature processing [was: Off topic discussions]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 13:44:49 -0400, Rick Troth wrote: >This thread is relevant to IBM-MAIN because it discusses file handling, >specifically in CMS. > To me, "mainframe" does not imply "MVS". If other contributors wish it otherwise, they should petition for a charter change and that hardware, As

Re: As a long-time Rexx programmer

printf( "Raw: %s\n", argv[ 0 ] ); argv[ 0 ] = realpath( argv[ 0 ], NULL ); printf( "Real: %s\n", argv[ 0 ] ); return( 0 ); } > ... While some languages might abstract away the actual pointer, > Such as Pascal formal parameters qualified VAR. >__

Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 17:24:18 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >AFAIK the 32-bit API is compatible and the 64-bit APIiis not. > 32? As in 360/67? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email

Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 16:11:45 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >. > z/OS REXX on the other hand automatically integrates into most available >environments. > >No. Various applications are REXX-aware, and they would continue to be so were >IBM to make ooRexx a supported scripting language. > Are the ex

Re: As a long-time Rexx programmer

On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 15:48:16 +, Eric Rossman wrote: >call by value where the value is an address >That's the definition of call by reference. > Not quite. Only in the former case the called routine receives a modifiable local copy of that pointer. In the latter, no pointer is visible. >_

Re: As a long-time Rexx programmer (but not SMP/E)

On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 09:34:18 -0500, Jon Perryman wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 07:36:39 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > >>> call-by-reference is a parameter passing format used by programs. >>No. I once looked at the SMP/E API which depends heavily on passing >>reference

Re: As a long-time Rexx programmer

On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 14:14:42 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: >Isn't address linkpgm 'progname var1 var2 var3...' call by reference? > Yes, as far as t goes. The ICSF API uses LINKPGM (examples in SAMPLIB), using STORAGE() to construct and dissect control blocs. The SMP/E API,however, depends on co

Re: As a long-time Rexx programmer

On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 01:03:53 -0500, Jon Perryman wrote: >On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 10:04:46 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >... >>REXX lacks call-by-reference, expected by programmers of most other languages, >>in lieu of which it provides a pseudo-call-by-name, confusing such p

Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 20:05:13 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >... >> What is the signifiaance o f the "name" of a stem? > >It's the value returned by the STRING method. It's also the default value for >missing (not dropped) elements. > Is the distinction between "missing" and "dropped" elements an

Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:34:43 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >in ooRexx it assigns a name to the stem and removes all elements. You can see >from the test that the stem has no elements after that. That behavior matches >the documentation. > I'm imagining: stem. = '2 + 2' /* 5-character string

Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 17:14:45 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> Conscientious documentation of Rexx avoid the word >> "default" in this context for two reasons: >> `1. The expression is assigned to the stem with every >>possible tail, not to only those not previously given >>a value. > >Not s

Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

pound symbol with that stem >variable >returns the new value until another value is assigned to the stem, the Stem >object, >or the individual compound variable." > >From: Paul Gilmartin >Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2024 10:38 AM > >On

Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

the compound symbol with a single string object; leaving no members to DROP? > >From: Paul Gilmartin >Sent: Monday, July 1, 2024 8:32 PM > >What does DO OVER do for the analogue of REXX: >A. = 'Preset' >drop A.GAP >Null = &#

Re: Rexx command handlers implemented in Java and in ooRexx (Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 13:02:50 +0200, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: >On 02.07.2024 12:58, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: >> Prolog: it seems that the mailer has distorted the code and made it >> illegible, hence resending the >> mail, now with the code preformatted in the hope that than the mailer does >> not

Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 15:01:33 -0500, Hobart Spitz wrote: > > - Stems are multi-key tables, not arrays. > Is that different from what's commonly called "Associative array"? > - Internal routines are almost always faster than repetitive code. The

Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 23:13:04 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Yes, on my PCs I only use ooRexx, which has DO OVER and USE ARG; in TSO I'm >stuck with classic REXX, which has neither. > What does DO OVER do for the analogue of REXX: A. = 'Preset' drop A.GAP Null = ''; A.Null = "I dunno" ?

Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 21:06:34 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >How do you write an ISPF dialog or EDIT macro in Python. The REXX concept of >registering an environment makes it very useful. > >That said, TSO/E is way behind the xexx world. In ooRexx you can iterate over, >e.g., arrays, stem objects.

Re: Rexx is quite cool, flexible, powerful, feature-rich, thank you! (Re: z/OS 3.1 Enhancements & Support News

On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 18:54:40 +, Schmitt, Michael wrote: >>> Lack of support for instream data. > >address TSO >"NEWSTACK" >queue a line >queue another line > ... >ALLOC the DD you want them in (e.g. SYSIN) >"EXECIO" queued() "DISKW SYSIN (FINIS" >"DELSTACK" > >Works because EXECIO, by default,

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