Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
unfortuantely ibm management blocked me sending a replay for nearly a year
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email821019
WTF? Why did they blocked you? Perhaps the reasons are written in your
web-pages, but I have missed it.
I was being blamed for online computer
-level
awards for any of the work
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#56 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
part of the issue, in the wake of the future system failure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
... and the change in corporate culture to sycophancy and make no
waves
Message -
From: Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 10:23:43 AM
Subject: Re: Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
one of the side-effects was that some of the organizations started
carefully managing information up the executive
: Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
one of the side-effects was that some of the organizations started
carefully managing information up the executive chain ... any reference
to MVS MTBF of 15mins (even internal only) would have disturbed a
carefully managed image.
When the MVS RAS
.
Bill Fairchild
Nolensville, TN
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From: Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com
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Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 10:23:43 AM
Subject: Re: Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
one of the side-effects was that some
On which planet is that true?
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No, no, Bill. You're
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes:
you be interested in a slightly used, but very lucrative stake in a
bridge in NYC? grin/
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#84 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#87 Difference between MVS
Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
well there is also this (about the same time) ... mentioned upthread, the MVS
RAS group would have gotten me fired ... if they could have figured out how
... but failing in that ... they tried to make things as unpleasant as
possible ... including precluding any
Hello
MVS runs on the prior hardware architecture to zSeries or zArchitecture.
That's up to S/390 Architecture. When the architecture evolved to
zArchitecture for zSeries, z/OS is born. The base control programs of z/OS
are MVS and z/UNIX System Services. z/OS runs only on zSeries hardware
In 532dfe4c.2080...@charter.net, on 03/22/2014
at 05:19 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerha...@charter.net said:
On 3/18/2014 4:20 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
You don't; SVS was OS/VS2 R1 and MVS was OS/VS2 R12 and later. OS/VS1
was the upgrade from OS/360 MFT.
Just to confuse the issue -
/~lynn/2014d.html#54 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#55 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#56 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#57 Difference between MVS and z
In m3fvm8tvfg@garlic.com, on 03/23/2014
at 06:13 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said:
Gerard Schildberger gerar...@rrt.net writes:
Plus, VS/1 also had HASP integrated into it
Not even close; the JES code in OS/VS1 was much closer to the
scheduler code in OS/360 than it was to
in thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#54 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#55 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#56 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html
Suresh Chacko writes:
z/OS runs only on zSeries hardware architecture.
No, that's not correct as written -- and zSeries hardware architecture is
a bit oddly phrased anyway. To clarify, z/OS 1.6 and subsequent releases
require z/Architecture. z/OS 1.5 and prior releases were still compatible
with
On 3/23/2014 9:34 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote:
Suresh Chacko writes:
z/OS runs only on zSeries hardware architecture.
No, that's not correct as written -- and zSeries hardware architecture is
a bit oddly phrased anyway. To clarify, z/OS 1.6 and subsequent releases
require z/Architecture. z/OS
On 3/18/2014 4:20 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
You don't; SVS was OS/VS2 R1 and MVS was OS/VS2 R12 and later. OS/VS1
was the upgrade from OS/360 MFT.
Just to confuse the issue - I thought VS1 to be an upgrade of MFT II?
Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, Vermont
In 12e58ce9881ac54091618c736fa1ac647ddb2e6...@corpexmbx.bekco.com,
on 03/18/2014
at 03:17 PM, Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com said:
In the document, the author specifically mentions you as one of
several people to point out his technical errors. Are you
suggesting that he never corrected
In ec61ef1aa63c694b8a23a9e1350cca220109732...@dr000s060.sfr.net, on
03/17/2014
at 05:07 PM, Helio Jose Da Silva helio.si...@rural.com.br said:
Someone can tell me the relevant differences between the MVS and
z / OS systems?
MVS is anything in the OS/360 family from OS/VS2 Release 2 on; z/OS
In cf4cb1b7.c0106%gary.shimin...@doit.nh.gov, on 03/17/2014
at 06:13 PM, Shiminsky, Gary gary.shimin...@doit.nh.gov said:
If my memory serves me right, back in the 1970s there was OS/MFT,
OS/MVT, OS/VS1, and OS/VS2.
Not quite; MFT and MVT were options of OS/360 once things stabilized.
You
In
caarmm9rnkkjpcko0svtk2saizgpl9ssj-epej2b8xilazdh...@mail.gmail.com,
on 03/17/2014
at 03:08 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said:
It took a long time for the names MVS (and
SVS, for that matter) to appear in official publications;
I see MVSxxx volsers in a 1975 manual; I see MVS in the
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Hello list,
Someone can tell me the relevant differences between the MVS and z / OS systems?
Thank you
Helio Jose da Silva
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In 20140318023541.6004883.11714.4...@yahoo.ca, on 03/17/2014
at 10:35 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said:
I think your dates are wrong.
Yes, but still more accurate than what you wrote.
VM was CP67
In the sense that OS/390 was OS/360. VM was a rewrite of CP67.
SVS was OS/VS1 and MVS
In 20140317203437.6004883.35398.4...@yahoo.ca, on 03/17/2014
at 04:34 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said:
VM was around in 1967. Iirc.
No. However, VM was a rewrite of code that was around earlier, and
1967 sounds right for CP-40 or CP-67.
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OS/MFT became OS/VS1
OS/MVT became SVS and then (later MVS)
snip
I think your dates are wrong.
VM was CP67 released in guess what year?
MVS was first released in 1974.
SVS was OS/VS1 and MVS was OS/VS2, IIRC.
I'm sure, if I'm wrong, somebody'll correct me.
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17, 2014 9:35:41 PM
Subject: Re: Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
I think your dates are wrong.
VM was CP67 released in guess what year?
MVS was first released in 1974.
SVS was OS/VS1 and MVS was OS/VS2, IIRC.
I'm sure, if I'm wrong, somebody'll correct me.
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-teD
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Original
Shmuel Metz wrote:
VM was CP67
In the sense that OS/390 was OS/360. VM was a rewrite of CP67.
VM wasn't a rewrite of CP67, any more than z/OS is a rewrite of OS/360.
It's a linear descendant; plenty of code remained.
As a VMer for 40+ years, the truth has been in here, but:
- CP-40
Have a look at :
http://www.demorton.com/Tech/$OSTL.pdf
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Of Phil Smith
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:59 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Difference between MVS and z / OS
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
In the sense that OS/390 was OS/360. VM was a rewrite of CP67.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#54 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#55 Difference between MVS and z / OS
Sounds like a homework question.Compare and contrast
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Systems
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 13:26:58 +, DASDBILL2 wrote:
VM's predecessor system was called CP67. Both of these systems supported
virtual storage and paging, but they had different names.
And they ran on processors with somewhat different architectures. The s/360
model 67 supported 32-bit
recollections about the
early WWW and Internet
past posts in this thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#54 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#55 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#56 Difference between MVS
m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com (Tom Marchant) writes:
And they ran on processors with somewhat different architectures. The s/360
model 67 supported 32-bit addressing, while s/370 was limited to 24-bit
addressing
until XA in 1982 or 1983 began to support 31-bit addressing, not 32-bit like
the
On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 09:56 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
while s/370 was limited to 24-bit addressing
until XA in 1982 or 1983 began to support 31-bit addressing, not 32-bit like
the
model 67.
I vaguely remember the dual-address-space-facility that began life just
before XA came around.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:56:17 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 13:26:58 +, DASDBILL2 wrote:
... The s/360
model 67 supported 32-bit addressing, while s/370 was limited to 24-bit
addressing
until XA in 1982 or 1983 began to support 31-bit addressing, not 32-bit like
the
On 18 March 2014 12:00, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
How did the 67 deal with legacy code's use of the sign bit to terminate
parameter lists?
I doubt that much legacy code ran on such a machine in 32-bit mode.
There would surely be other reasons to run such code only in 24-bit
#futuresys
... they kicked off 3033, 3081 xa-architecture approximately
concurrently
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#54 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
but the extensive pointer passing api and need to map common address ...
by late in 3033 period, the combination of mvs kernel
(biggest computer goof ever):
http://www.bobbemer.com/P-BIT.HTM
other of his computer history
http://www.bobbemer.com/HISTORY.HTM
other posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#54 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#55 Difference between
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:00:14 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:56:17 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
... The s/360
model 67 supported 32-bit addressing, while s/370 was limited to 24-bit
addressing
until XA in 1982 or 1983 began to support 31-bit addressing, not 32-bit like
the
: Re: Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Helio Jose Da Silva
Hello list,
Someone can tell me the relevant differences between the MVS and z / OS
systems?
MVS is the kernel; z/OS is the whole package.
-jc
:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: RES: Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
Hi,
MVS is Big Mac, z/OS is Number 3 (Big Mac+Fries+Coke)
Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos
Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
BANCO BRADESCO S.A.
4250 / DPCD Engenharia de Software
Sistemas Operacionais
In
b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c29124c5fcad...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com,
on 03/18/2014
at 06:58 AM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said:
I'm assuming from having never seen a reference to such on IBM-MAIN
that no such community resource exists for z/OS-correct?
I'm not aware of one. I'd dearly
In
10e09aae7c8c0e4e9f40585c270c2795d863f...@e14mbx20n.enterprise.emory.net,
on 03/18/2014
at 02:21 PM, Skellen, Frank frank.skel...@emoryhealthcare.org
said:
Have a look at :
http://www.demorton.com/Tech/$OSTL.pdf
BTDT,GTTS. Incomplete and has significant errors.
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Jeez. Misread my own notes. VM/370 was announced August 2, 1972, per
http://www.sinenomine.net/publications/history/vm370-announcement
From: Phil Smith
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:59 AM
To: ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
Shmuel Metz wrote:
VM
On 3/17/2014 10:07 AM, Helio Jose Da Silva wrote:
Someone can tell me the relevant differences between the MVS and z / OS systems?
40 years.
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Phoenix Software International, Inc
831 Parkview Drive North
El Segundo, CA 90245
http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/
In m3iorbsfz2.fsf@lhwserver.localdomain, on 03/18/2014
at 11:07 AM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said:
360/67 multiprocessor support also allowed all processors to address
all channels ... the 360/65 multiprocessor support just shared memory
but had dedicated channels for each processor
In 5298812145489891.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
03/18/2014
at 11:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
How did the 67 deal with legacy code's use of the sign bit to
terminate parameter lists?
24-bit mode.
Did it also have a 31-bit mode?
No.
--
Shmuel
In 1395156127.1979.21.camel@localhost, on 03/18/2014
at 11:22 AM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com said:
I vaguely remember the dual-address-space-facility that began life
just before XA came around. There was some exploitation of it in - I
think - MVS/SE2 (or was it SP1?).
MVS/SP 1.2,
Hello list,
Someone can tell me the relevant differences between the MVS and z / OS systems?
Thank you
Helio Jose da Silva
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:07:14 +, Helio Jose Da Silva wrote:
Someone can tell me the relevant differences between the MVS and z / OS
systems?
Well, z/OS runs on zSeries; MVS doesn't.
But MVS is often used as generic (IBM jargon would say esoteric),
inclusive of MVS, MVS/370, MVS/XA, MVS/ESA,
Jose Da Silva helio.si...@rural.com.br
To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
Date: 03/17/2014 10:07 AM
Subject: Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
Hello list,
Someone can tell me the relevant differences between the MVS and z
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:07:14 + Helio Jose Da Silva
helio.si...@rural.com.br wrote:
:Someone can tell me the relevant differences between the MVS and z / OS
systems?
Depends on the context. What do you mean by MVS and z/OS? Which versions?
--
Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Well, z/OS runs on zSeries; MVS doesn't.
More accurately, z/OS ran on zSeries, now runs on System z and zEnterprise. The
zSeries name was obsolete as of 2005 or so.
Yes, I'm being pedantic, but in this context especially it seems appropriate.
...phsiii
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Helio Jose Da Silva wrote:
Hello list,
Someone can tell me the relevant differences between the MVS and z / OS
systems?
MVS
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Helio Jose Da Silva
Hello list,
Someone can tell me the relevant differences between the MVS and z / OS
systems?
MVS is the kernel; z/OS is the whole package.
-jc-
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From: Gary Shiminsky gary.shimin...@doit.nh.gov
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:13:21 PM
Subject: Re: Difference between MVS and z / OS systems
Hi,
If my memory serves me right, back in the 1970s there was OS/MFT, OS/MVT,
OS/VS1, and OS/VS2.
OS/VS2 morphed to OS
gary.shimin...@doit.nh.gov (Shiminsky, Gary) writes:
If my memory serves me right, back in the 1970s there was OS/MFT, OS/MVT,
OS/VS1, and OS/VS2.
OS/VS2 morphed to OS/SVS and then OS/MVS(? Or maybe just MVS) starting in
the 1980s.
OS/VS2 started out as single virtual address space (svs ...
On 17 March 2014 13:51, John Eells ee...@us.ibm.com wrote:
MVS was the prior name of what has become z/OS. What was started out as MVS
in 1974 was renamed to:
[...]
Although the name MVS was around in 1974, IBM chose, for the usual
marketing reasons of the day, to sell it as OS/VS2 Release 2,
VM was around in 1967. Iirc.
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Close. OS/VS2 was released having been already pre-morphed
I would like to interrupt this reminiscent thread with a quiz:
How to you replace MVS with z/OS ?
Answer:
the MVSt instruction :-)
Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com
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VM was around in 1967. Iirc.
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t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes:
These were re-integrated only with the OS/390 bundling. I doubt any
one present -- even Lynn Wheeler -- knows all the politics behind all
these changes.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#54 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
OS/390
://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#54 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#55 Difference between MVS and z / OS
systems
as mentioned upthread, os/vs2 svs started out using cp67 ccwtrans
crafted into EXCP processing to perform building a copy of the passed
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Close. OS/VS2 was released having been already pre-morphed into SVS and MVS.
SVS was first called OS/VS2 Release 1, was first available in 1974, and that's
when I worked with it. MVS was first
On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:35 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I think your dates are wrong.
VM was CP67 released in guess what year?
MVS was first released in 1974.
SVS was OS/VS1 and MVS was OS/VS2, IIRC.
I'm sure, if I'm wrong, somebody'll correct me.
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-teD
Ted:
SVS was *NOT* os/vs1 many many reasons
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