Re: Do they still make greenbar paper these days?
I'm old enough to know that greenbar paper is 120 columns. There's also 144, still on impact printers. The compressed dump format for the 3800 squeezes in considerably more. Except when there is a legal requirement for carbon paper or NCR copies, doesn't everybody use plain paper with a forms overlay these days? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 1:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Do they still make greenbar paper these days? I had occasion a few minutes ago to note to myself, in a non-computer context, that twice 66 is 132. "How" (an imaginary grandchild asked in my head) "did you know that so fast?" The answer, of course, is that if a computer programmer is old enough he knows 132 characters is the usual width of the old greenbar paper, and 66 is half of that. But it led me to wonder. Punch cards are now an expensive antique. Do they even make greenbar paper any more? Does anyone know? Just curious. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* ...The New York Times Sunday magazine ran a cover story headlined, Can Miami Save Itself? The story went on for many words, but it boiled down to one: "No". ¶ We at Tropic were, naturally, grateful to The Times for going to the trouble of coming here and discovering that our city had problems. In an effort to return the favor, we sent me and photographer Chuck Fadely up to New York on an objective fact-finding trip to see if New York was a rude, filthy, overpriced hellhole or what. -from _He's Not Making This Up_ by Dave Barry */ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Do they still make greenbar paper these days?
I still remember my first computer-oriented job as a burster and decollator operator. My biggest nemesis was the 5-part carbon form with parts 4&5 edge glued (for an insurance company, of course). Ahh, those halcyon days... Thank you and best regards, Billy Ashton -- Original Message -- From "Clifford McNeill" To IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Date 6/8/2022 3:25:37 PM Subject Re: [EXTERNAL] Do they still make greenbar paper these days? Now you need a de-collator. On 6/8/2022 1:09 PM, Pommier, Rex wrote: GIYF or duck duck go or whatever your search engine of choice. Not only is greenbar paper still available (Staples, anyone?) but you can even still get it in carbon paper (shudder). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Do they still make greenbar paper these days?
Now you need a de-collator. On 6/8/2022 1:09 PM, Pommier, Rex wrote: GIYF or duck duck go or whatever your search engine of choice. Not only is greenbar paper still available (Staples, anyone?) but you can even still get it in carbon paper (shudder). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Do they still make greenbar paper these days?
GIYF or duck duck go or whatever your search engine of choice. Not only is greenbar paper still available (Staples, anyone?) but you can even still get it in carbon paper (shudder). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 12:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Do they still make greenbar paper these days? I had occasion a few minutes ago to note to myself, in a non-computer context, that twice 66 is 132. "How" (an imaginary grandchild asked in my head) "did you know that so fast?" The answer, of course, is that if a computer programmer is old enough he knows 132 characters is the usual width of the old greenbar paper, and 66 is half of that. But it led me to wonder. Punch cards are now an expensive antique. Do they even make greenbar paper any more? Does anyone know? Just curious. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* ...The New York Times Sunday magazine ran a cover story headlined, Can Miami Save Itself? The story went on for many words, but it boiled down to one: "No". ¶ We at Tropic were, naturally, grateful to The Times for going to the trouble of coming here and discovering that our city had problems. In an effort to return the favor, we sent me and photographer Chuck Fadely up to New York on an objective fact-finding trip to see if New York was a rude, filthy, overpriced hellhole or what. -from _He's Not Making This Up_ by Dave Barry */ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Do they still make greenbar paper these days?
I just found some while unpacking. Stuff made for some great packing material. The answer to your question however is yes. You can even buy it on Amazon. Sadly no printers show up in "customers were also interested in...". https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Computer-Perforated-Margins-15852/dp/B001E6BYFO On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 1:49 PM Bob Bridges wrote: > I had occasion a few minutes ago to note to myself, in a non-computer > context, that twice 66 is 132. "How" (an imaginary grandchild asked in my > head) "did you know that so fast?" The answer, of course, is that if a > computer programmer is old enough he knows 132 characters is the usual > width > of the old greenbar paper, and 66 is half of that. > > But it led me to wonder. Punch cards are now an expensive antique. Do > they > even make greenbar paper any more? Does anyone know? Just curious. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* ...The New York Times Sunday magazine ran a cover story headlined, Can > Miami Save Itself? The story went on for many words, but it boiled down to > one: "No". ¶ We at Tropic were, naturally, grateful to The Times for going > to the trouble of coming here and discovering that our city had problems. > In an effort to return the favor, we sent me and photographer Chuck Fadely > up to New York on an objective fact-finding trip to see if New York was a > rude, filthy, overpriced hellhole or what. -from _He's Not Making This Up_ > by Dave Barry */ > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ><º>`·.¸¸´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸>(((º> .·´¯`·.><º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><º> <>< Go fishing ><> -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Do they still make greenbar paper these days?
I had occasion a few minutes ago to note to myself, in a non-computer context, that twice 66 is 132. "How" (an imaginary grandchild asked in my head) "did you know that so fast?" The answer, of course, is that if a computer programmer is old enough he knows 132 characters is the usual width of the old greenbar paper, and 66 is half of that. But it led me to wonder. Punch cards are now an expensive antique. Do they even make greenbar paper any more? Does anyone know? Just curious. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* ...The New York Times Sunday magazine ran a cover story headlined, Can Miami Save Itself? The story went on for many words, but it boiled down to one: "No". ¶ We at Tropic were, naturally, grateful to The Times for going to the trouble of coming here and discovering that our city had problems. In an effort to return the favor, we sent me and photographer Chuck Fadely up to New York on an objective fact-finding trip to see if New York was a rude, filthy, overpriced hellhole or what. -from _He's Not Making This Up_ by Dave Barry */ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
I've got several boxes of the greenbar and 1 of them is specifically two sided (it says so on the outside of the box as well), the rest (the normal ones) are only one sided. I have multi-part greenbar as well and the first layer is two sided and the rest appear to be single sided. I don't know why, there isn't anything to print on the back side with. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
Rubber stamps...for cancellation? That stuff has gotten expensive. In a message dated 07/19/13 01:51:45 Central Daylight Time, brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com writes: I don't know why, there isn't anything to print on the back side with -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
It depends upon the manufacturer of the paper. Most did not, but I saw a few boxes that did. Lloyd From: Phil Smith p...@voltage.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:31 PM Subject: Greenbar Settle a debate: did greenbar paper have the bars on both sides of the paper? A colleague and I remember it differently (I won't tell you which way I'm arguing, lest I tempt anyone). Once we have an answer, I'll explain how this came up! ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
Brian Westerman saved my sanity with: I've got several boxes of the greenbar and 1 of them is specifically two sided (it says so on the outside of the box as well), the rest (the normal ones) are only one sided. I have multi-part greenbar as well and the first layer is two sided and the rest appear to be single sided. I don't know why, there isn't anything to print on the back side with. Ah hah! I was *sure* I remembered two-sided. Yes, I was the one arguing for that. This came up because in a movie (or TV show, I forget which) there was some greenbar and it was one-sided. I noticed it at the time and thought Ah, the props folks didn't know any better! but it seems I was the one who didn't know. And Gerhard Adam wrote: No, it was on one side only. I'm looking at a listing from 1977 as a confirmation of that. Time to clean up your office, eh? :) Thanks to all. ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
One side only. You had to turn the feed around to print Snoopy, calendars, and so on. :-) Cheers,,,Steve Steven F. Conway, CISSP LA Systems z/OS Systems Support Phone: 703.295.1926 steve_con...@ao.uscourts.gov -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 18:47:19 -0500, efinnell15 wrote: Long ago and far away our Director got several hundred boxes of 'Greenbar' at GSA in Anniston for like 10 cents a box. Nice paper easy to load and fold. After a few days the security officer issued a cease and desist. It had 'Top Secret' pre-printed in the margins...well we'll print on the other side NO YOU WON'T! Did you have to shred them? There's a story that Ralph Griswold harbored a contempt for some security practices. Accordingly, he distributed SNOBOL4 on tapes on reels with red flanges, imagining with delight some recipients' shock at opening the packages and being required to call security officers to have them investigated. An employer long ago delivered a software product that issued a message on startup proclaiming that it contained the vendor's trade Secret. We rapidly learned that in some customer environments secret is deemed NSFW. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Greenbar
Settle a debate: did greenbar paper have the bars on both sides of the paper? A colleague and I remember it differently (I won't tell you which way I'm arguing, lest I tempt anyone). Once we have an answer, I'll explain how this came up! ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
No, it was on one side only. I'm looking at a listing from 1977 as a confirmation of that. Adam -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Smith Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Greenbar Settle a debate: did greenbar paper have the bars on both sides of the paper? A colleague and I remember it differently (I won't tell you which way I'm arguing, lest I tempt anyone). Once we have an answer, I'll explain how this came up! ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
Our current supply of greenbar has lines on one side only. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote: Settle a debate: did greenbar paper have the bars on both sides of the paper? A colleague and I remember it differently (I won't tell you which way I'm arguing, lest I tempt anyone). Once we have an answer, I'll explain how this came up! ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Walter Davies IT Analyst II walter.dav...@edcgov.us (530) 621-5420 NOTICE: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential information, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any retransmission, dissemination or other use of the information by persons other than the intended recipient or entity is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error please contact the sender by return e-mail and delete the material from your system. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
One side only Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Programmer Safeway Inc. 925 951 4184 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Smith Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Greenbar Settle a debate: did greenbar paper have the bars on both sides of the paper? A colleague and I remember it differently (I won't tell you which way I'm arguing, lest I tempt anyone). Once we have an answer, I'll explain how this came up! ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Email Firewall made the following annotations. -- Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: not any I saw ... we use to feed 2741 terminals with greenbar paper reversed ... printing on the backside which was white. HONE systems ... some past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone were setup shortly after 23Jun69 unbundling announcement ... some past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle to give branch office SEs place to practice with operating systems. prior to unbundling, apprentice SEs could get training and experience as part of large SE teams at customer location. after unbundling, SE time was charge for ... and nobody could figure out how to not charge for the apprentice SE time. HONE initially was several CP67 virtual machine datacenters in the US with dialin from branch offices. the science center ... some past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech ported apl\360 to cms for cms\apl. It included APIs for CMS system services (like file i/o ... which didn't exist in apl\360) and allowed apl workspace size to be as large as virtual memory (typical apl\360 workspace size was limited to 16kbytes) ... which really opened up APL for real-world use (one of the remote users of cambridge system was armonk business planners ... that loaded the most valuable corporate data on the cambridge cp67 system ... all the detailed customer information ... using APL for business modeling ... this required some security considerations ... since cambridge also had students, staff, professors use from local Boston/Cambridge univ). HONE then started delivery APL-based salesmarketing support tools ... which eventually came to dominate all HONE use ... and the original branch SE use quickly dwindled away. In the mid-70s, the US HONE datacenters consolidated in bay area (and by this time had moved from cp67 to vm370) ... trivia later new bldg. would be built next door and Facebook moved in ... before moving across town to the old SUN campus. One of my hobbies was production systems for internal datacenters ... one of my longtime customers was HONE ... not only US ... but US HONE system was cloned at multiple locations around the world. In any case, found in box ... 18May1977 printed output from HONE1 system ... the output is printed on the white reverse side of greenbar paper; it is the RSCS RL3PLC15 manual as well as output of all the nodes on the internal network. First part of the internal network output is box diagram ... one box per node with printed lines for each network connection (1403/3211 printer) ... followed by one line for each node listing with node name, location on the network node map, machine model, operating system, and local contact number. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
Long ago and far away our Director got several hundred boxes of 'Greenbar' at GSA in Anniston for like 10 cents a box. Nice paper easy to load and fold. After a few days the security officer issued a cease and desist. It had 'Top Secret' pre-printed in the margins...well we'll print on the other side NO YOU WON'T! In a message dated 07/18/13 16:36:05 Central Daylight Time, walter.dav...@edcgov.us writes: Our current supply of greenbar has lines on one side only. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
One sided... On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:47 AM, efinnell15 efinnel...@aol.com wrote: Long ago and far away our Director got several hundred boxes of 'Greenbar' at GSA in Anniston for like 10 cents a box. Nice paper easy to load and fold. After a few days the security officer issued a cease and desist. It had 'Top Secret' pre-printed in the margins...well we'll print on the other side NO YOU WON'T! In a message dated 07/18/13 16:36:05 Central Daylight Time, walter.dav...@edcgov.us writes: Our current supply of greenbar has lines on one side only. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
We always used low bit green bar, so we got it from many different vendors. I was always one-sided. Linda - Original Message - From: Phil Smith p...@voltage.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:31:12 PM Subject: Greenbar Settle a debate: did greenbar paper have the bars on both sides of the paper? A colleague and I remember it differently (I won't tell you which way I'm arguing, lest I tempt anyone). Once we have an answer, I'll explain how this came up! ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Greenbar
That was low BID. Linda - Original Message - From: Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:51:00 PM Subject: Re: Greenbar We always used low bit green bar, so we got it from many different vendors. I was always one-sided. Linda - Original Message - From: Phil Smith p...@voltage.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:31:12 PM Subject: Greenbar Settle a debate: did greenbar paper have the bars on both sides of the paper? A colleague and I remember it differently (I won't tell you which way I'm arguing, lest I tempt anyone). Once we have an answer, I'll explain how this came up! ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
