Re: JCL for WTO

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 16:04:53 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

>It's just as easy to turn off as it is to turn on--except for a shop that has 
>built its entire production culture around it. Even making it NOT work by 
>default would still dump the accommodation burden squarely on the customer's 
>shoulders. Hard to imagine such a change making it into GA.
> 
Is user key CSA a parallel?

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>From:  Paul Gilmartin
>Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 6:07 PM
>
>On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 00:58:08 +, Jesse 1 Roninson wrote:
>
>>I doubt that anyone who scored a passing grade in Audit 101 would let this 
>>mechanism fly today. It is very easy to implement but is totally 
>>uncontrollable as to who can issue what command under what circumstances. It 
>>might have made sense in 1969. Not in 2019. 
>> 
>IBM has been known to change defaults when integrity is involved.
>Should this be a candidate?

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Re: JCL for WTO

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

It's just as easy to turn off as it is to turn on--except for a shop that has 
built its entire production culture around it. Even making it NOT work by 
default would still dump the accommodation burden squarely on the customer's 
shoulders. Hard to imagine such a change making it into GA.

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Paul Gilmartin
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 00:58:08 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

>I doubt that anyone who scored a passing grade in Audit 101 would let this 
>mechanism fly today. It is very easy to implement but is totally 
>uncontrollable as to who can issue what command under what circumstances. It 
>might have made sense in 1969. Not in 2019. 
> 
IBM has been known to change defaults when integrity is involved.
Should this be a candidate?

>-Original Message-
>From: Seymour J Metz
>Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 11:08 AM
>
>And there is support to prevent the use of // COMMAND. IMHO a well run shop 
>turns it off. Using it to issue a SNED command is like using a stick of 
>dynamite to kill a fly.

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Re: JCL for WTO

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 00:58:08 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

>I doubt that anyone who scored a passing grade in Audit 101 would let this 
>mechanism fly today. It is very easy to implement but is totally 
>uncontrollable as to who can issue what command under what circumstances. It 
>might have made sense in 1969. Not in 2019. 
> 
IBM has been known to change defaults when integrity is involved.
Should this be a candidate?

>-Original Message-
>From: Seymour J Metz
>Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 11:08 AM
>
>And there is support to prevent the use of // COMMAND. IMHO a well run shop 
>turns it off. Using it to issue a SNED command is like using a stick of 
>dynamite to kill a fly.

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Re: JCL for WTO

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

I doubt that anyone who scored a passing grade in Audit 101 would let this 
mechanism fly today. It is very easy to implement but is totally uncontrollable 
as to who can issue what command under what circumstances. It might have made 
sense in 1969. Not in 2019. 

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Seymour J Metz
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 11:08 AM
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And there is support to prevent the use of // COMMAND. IMHO a well run shop 
turns it off. Using it to issue a SNED command is like using a stick of 
dynamite to kill a fly.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


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Lizette Koehler 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 7:56 PM
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Subject: Re: JCL for WTO

There is a function in JCL called COMMAND

Depending on your version of the operating system - it can be found in the JCL 
Reference manual

JCL command statement
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1dA3rIaA6mO5TSrO_TpdQor9qoNW2uwXD9pihKI8VZ9NualQHGRrzi-LGpTkk4sqRi0w8iw18A0-GQdX2u0E24G98EjIHQvxFZnJ1tzCtHH1iEJdPN1sV7iQq1EoX42D9i0SCDSG0lpMbf898ZNIjCNROlINBbYwgaSdUUfOWjN8FuoJc-evtmDVmhcAM6DEJ240gfK89hKkRwsaFMSHwpTjul3qZdubp9YAOD3WkcaNUD-Wms3s3g_0LiNPVuTUS1lFAjzrEWJtii9IGttWQxzNjiHhKNJosBgPTMTtpJKHzQDFJ4QaM8xicfPA8gxe12wQN0JiDGLN5URZ1za1721Tc95wtdJGSQc8diHRZTIwgTuPlrGWL1xBkm3qjbwzelXrqAuDNbdERruPIcKQapqXxunUcrPKkJ8Z6bjgY4FiecjEiC7Kj6uTwQRV9pFoR/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2FSSLTBW_2.3.0%2Fcom.ibm.zos.v2r3.ieab600%2Fcomdst.htm

If an in-stream command is to be executed (see the explanation in the following 
section "Defaults" ), the system usually executes it as soon as it is read. 
Therefore, the command will not be synchronized with the execution of any job 
or step in the input stream. To synchronize a command with the job processing, 
tell the operator the commands you want entered and when they should be issued, 
and let the operator enter them from the console.

The system processes each command according to installation options for both 
the input device from which the job was read, and the job class.

A command statement can appear anywhere after a JOB statement and before the 
end of the job. If a command statement appears between jobs, it is ignored. A 
command statement should not be placed before the first JOB statement in an 
input stream.

Example

// F NETVIEW,CLOSE IMMED


You can imbed any MVS or JES2 or JES3 command on this type of statement.  This 
includes the SEND command.

If you want something that has more options, like action the WTO, let the list 
know.  There are tools on the CBTTAPE.ORG that could be helpful.


Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 4:43 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: JCL for WTO
>
> Not knowing your shop, have you checked to see if you already have 
> tools that will do this?
>
> For example, if you want a WTO to indicate a job has done something, 
> if you have automation tools (like CA OPS/MVS) or a scheduler tool 
> (like IBM Tivoli
> Scheduler)  then they may already be able to provide this function.
>
> Since you only asked the basic question, you may not get a solution 
> that will fit your environment.
>
> If you do not have tools, then the solutions offered could work.
>
> However, if you do have tools, it might be easier to engage your 
> system programmers to see what solutions to do what you want are available.
>
> Or provide more details on what problem you are trying to solve, and 
> you may get better answers.
>
>
>
> Lizette
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> > Behalf Of Bill Giannelli
> > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 12:32 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: JCL for WTO
> >
> > can you run a WTO command directly from JCL?
> > I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
> > thanks
> > Bill

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Re: JCL for WTO

[David Spiegel]

Hi Bill,
This can be done via DFSMSdss (provided that you don't mind seeing 
AFDR111I in front of your message).
Example:
//DSSWTO01 JOB (ACCT),
// '    ',
// CLASS=A,
// MSGCLASS=X,
// MSGLEVEL=(1,1),
// REGION=0M,
// NOTIFY=&SYSUID
//  EXPORT SYMLIST=MSG
// SET MSG='HELLO WORLD'
//STEP001 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSIN    DD  *,SYMBOLS=JCLONLY
   WTO '&MSG'

On 2019-04-06 15:32, Bill Giannelli wrote:
> can you run a WTO command directly from JCL?
> I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
> thanks
> Bill
>
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Re: JCL for WTO

[Seymour J Metz]

And there is support to prevent the use of // COMMAND. IMHO a well run shop 
turns it off. Using it to issue a SNED command is like using a stick of 
dynamite to kill a fly.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Lizette Koehler 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 7:56 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JCL for WTO

There is a function in JCL called COMMAND

Depending on your version of the operating system - it can be found in the JCL 
Reference manual

JCL command statement
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1dA3rIaA6mO5TSrO_TpdQor9qoNW2uwXD9pihKI8VZ9NualQHGRrzi-LGpTkk4sqRi0w8iw18A0-GQdX2u0E24G98EjIHQvxFZnJ1tzCtHH1iEJdPN1sV7iQq1EoX42D9i0SCDSG0lpMbf898ZNIjCNROlINBbYwgaSdUUfOWjN8FuoJc-evtmDVmhcAM6DEJ240gfK89hKkRwsaFMSHwpTjul3qZdubp9YAOD3WkcaNUD-Wms3s3g_0LiNPVuTUS1lFAjzrEWJtii9IGttWQxzNjiHhKNJosBgPTMTtpJKHzQDFJ4QaM8xicfPA8gxe12wQN0JiDGLN5URZ1za1721Tc95wtdJGSQc8diHRZTIwgTuPlrGWL1xBkm3qjbwzelXrqAuDNbdERruPIcKQapqXxunUcrPKkJ8Z6bjgY4FiecjEiC7Kj6uTwQRV9pFoR/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2FSSLTBW_2.3.0%2Fcom.ibm.zos.v2r3.ieab600%2Fcomdst.htm

If an in-stream command is to be executed (see the explanation in the following 
section "Defaults" ), the system usually executes it as soon as it is read. 
Therefore, the command will not be synchronized with the execution of any job 
or step in the input stream. To synchronize a command with the job processing, 
tell the operator the commands you want entered and when they should be issued, 
and let the operator enter them from the console.

The system processes each command according to installation options for both 
the input device from which the job was read, and the job class.

A command statement can appear anywhere after a JOB statement and before the 
end of the job. If a command statement appears between jobs, it is ignored. A 
command statement should not be placed before the first JOB statement in an 
input stream.

Example

// F NETVIEW,CLOSE IMMED


You can imbed any MVS or JES2 or JES3 command on this type of statement.  This 
includes the SEND command.

If you want something that has more options, like action the WTO, let the list 
know.  There are tools on the CBTTAPE.ORG that could be helpful.


Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
> Lizette Koehler
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 4:43 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: JCL for WTO
>
> Not knowing your shop, have you checked to see if you already have tools that
> will do this?
>
> For example, if you want a WTO to indicate a job has done something, if you
> have automation tools (like CA OPS/MVS) or a scheduler tool (like IBM Tivoli
> Scheduler)  then they may already be able to provide this function.
>
> Since you only asked the basic question, you may not get a solution that will
> fit your environment.
>
> If you do not have tools, then the solutions offered could work.
>
> However, if you do have tools, it might be easier to engage your system
> programmers to see what solutions to do what you want are available.
>
> Or provide more details on what problem you are trying to solve, and you may
> get better answers.
>
>
>
> Lizette
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of Bill Giannelli
> > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 12:32 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: JCL for WTO
> >
> > can you run a WTO command directly from JCL?
> > I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
> > thanks
> > Bill
> >
>
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Re: JCL for WTO

[Lizette Koehler]

There is a function in JCL called COMMAND

Depending on your version of the operating system - it can be found in the JCL 
Reference manual

JCL command statement
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ieab600/comdst.htm

If an in-stream command is to be executed (see the explanation in the following 
section "Defaults" ), the system usually executes it as soon as it is read. 
Therefore, the command will not be synchronized with the execution of any job 
or step in the input stream. To synchronize a command with the job processing, 
tell the operator the commands you want entered and when they should be issued, 
and let the operator enter them from the console.

The system processes each command according to installation options for both 
the input device from which the job was read, and the job class.

A command statement can appear anywhere after a JOB statement and before the 
end of the job. If a command statement appears between jobs, it is ignored. A 
command statement should not be placed before the first JOB statement in an 
input stream.

Example

// F NETVIEW,CLOSE IMMED


You can imbed any MVS or JES2 or JES3 command on this type of statement.  This 
includes the SEND command.

If you want something that has more options, like action the WTO, let the list 
know.  There are tools on the CBTTAPE.ORG that could be helpful.


Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
> Lizette Koehler
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 4:43 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: JCL for WTO
> 
> Not knowing your shop, have you checked to see if you already have tools that
> will do this?
> 
> For example, if you want a WTO to indicate a job has done something, if you
> have automation tools (like CA OPS/MVS) or a scheduler tool (like IBM Tivoli
> Scheduler)  then they may already be able to provide this function.
> 
> Since you only asked the basic question, you may not get a solution that will
> fit your environment.
> 
> If you do not have tools, then the solutions offered could work.
> 
> However, if you do have tools, it might be easier to engage your system
> programmers to see what solutions to do what you want are available.
> 
> Or provide more details on what problem you are trying to solve, and you may
> get better answers.
> 
> 
> 
> Lizette
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of Bill Giannelli
> > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 12:32 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: JCL for WTO
> >
> > can you run a WTO command directly from JCL?
> > I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
> > thanks
> > Bill
> >
> 
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Re: JCL for WTO

[Lizette Koehler]

Not knowing your shop, have you checked to see if you already have tools that 
will do this?

For example, if you want a WTO to indicate a job has done something, if you 
have automation tools (like CA OPS/MVS) or a scheduler tool (like IBM Tivoli 
Scheduler)  then they may already be able to provide this function.

Since you only asked the basic question, you may not get a solution that will 
fit your environment.

If you do not have tools, then the solutions offered could work.

However, if you do have tools, it might be easier to engage your system 
programmers to see what solutions to do what you want are available.

Or provide more details on what problem you are trying to solve, and you may 
get better answers.



Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
> Bill Giannelli
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 12:32 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: JCL for WTO
> 
> can you run a WTO command directly from JCL?
> I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
> thanks
> Bill
> 

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Re: JCL for WTO

[Jackson, Rob]

I don't know for sure, but I imagine the TMP is more efficient than forking 
into an OMVS address space.  I suspect ITschak's method is the best.  Don't 
know if there are any other things to consider though . . . case, message 
length . . . .

First Tennessee Bank
Mainframe Technical Support


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Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 4:15 PM
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[External Email]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 14:32:19 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote:

>can you run a WTO command directly from JCL?
>I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
>
How about:
//X EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,
//  PARM='SH echo "some text" >/dev/console'

(Beware auto ops rules.)

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Re: JCL for WTO

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 14:32:19 -0500, Bill Giannelli wrote:

>can you run a WTO command directly from JCL? 
>I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
>  
How about:
//X EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH,
//  PARM='SH echo "some text" >/dev/console'

(Beware auto ops rules.)

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Re: JCL for WTO

[Jackson, Rob]

Well, crap!  Never even occurred to me, and I've used the send command to issue 
messages to the console.  Unbelievable, a WTO is a WTO, after all.

If it makes me look less idiotic, I also have versions for highlighted messages 
and WTORs.  Can't do that with send.  (I hope.  :))

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ITschak Mugzach
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 3:38 PM
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Subject: Re: JCL for WTO

[External Email]

Tso batch with send command (cn operand) will do the job. You can use jcl 
command (or jes /*), but it will be issued at job read without your control.

ITschak

בתאריך שבת, 6 באפר׳ 2019, 22:32, מאת Bill Giannelli ‏<
billgianne...@gmail.com>:

> can you run a WTO command directly from JCL?
> I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
> thanks
> Bill
>
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Re: JCL for WTO

[Jackson, Rob]

Not that I know of, but it's a tiny assembler program to do it, and I have 
another tiny REXX program to invoke it, so it's friendly with TSO, as well.  
Then it would be executing the TMP in JCL with a one-line sysin.  If you want 
it, I will be happy to share.  Doubtless, others here have better solutions.

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[External Email]

can you run a WTO command directly from JCL?
I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
thanks
Bill

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Re: JCL for WTO

[Lionel Dyck]

Many sites have a program that takes as a parm the WTO message. I’m sure one 
can be found on the CBT tape.


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can you run a WTO command directly from JCL?
I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
thanks
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Re: JCL for WTO

[ITschak Mugzach]

Tso batch with send command (cn operand) will do the job. You can use jcl
command (or jes /*), but it will be issued at job read without your control.

ITschak

בתאריך שבת, 6 באפר׳ 2019, 22:32, מאת Bill Giannelli ‏<
billgianne...@gmail.com>:

> can you run a WTO command directly from JCL?
> I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
> thanks
> Bill
>
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JCL for WTO

[Bill Giannelli]

can you run a WTO command directly from JCL? 
I want to execute a WTO directly from my job.
thanks
Bill

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