In 1367845369.9745.yahoomai...@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on
05/06/2013
at 06:02 AM, Lloyd Fuller leful...@sbcglobal.net said:
Actually, Univac played with it back in the 1960s/1970s.
Any ternary logic or memory in the 1960's was probably implemented
with discrete transistors rather than
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Subject: Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?
In 1367845369.9745.yahoomai...@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on
05/06/2013
at 06:02 AM
In
of2170d0c5.b3dd89d3-on85257b60.007023ab-85257b60.00711...@tsys.tss.net,
on 05/03/2013
at 04:35 PM, Kirk Talman rkueb...@tsys.com said:
But is the notation such that 1234567 = 1205.657Ki?
ITYM 1205.631Ki.
And how would one write the Mi value to as many places?
foo = (foo/1048576)Mi; the
In
cajtoo5_ed5s0uqief8aytixs1-ey5fcda-_xcz3k3spqyjn...@mail.gmail.com,
on 05/03/2013
at 05:22 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said:
When you build a memory chip, the input is X number of address bits,
Hasn't anybody built ternary memory?
Silly wabbit, trits are for kids.
When you
In 8d96815f-e298-46fd-9ef5-f3c53f0a1...@yahoo.com, on 05/03/2013
at 06:08 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said:
I always used K, with the understanding it was 1024
I guess that you never programmed the CDC 6x00 and Cyber 70 machines,
where they referred to 512 as octal K.
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In
cae1xxdfkms1d9p+emdpioapnugq-rvtanjcvxo+uuz99r8s...@mail.gmail.com,
on 05/04/2013
at 08:56 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
In situations of this kind the needs of the unlettered must come
first. The word 'inflammable' does not mean 'cannot be set aflame';
some of the unlettered
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In
cajtoo5_ed5s0uqief8aytixs1-ey5fcda-_xcz3k3spqyjn...@mail.gmail.com,
on 05/03/2013
at 05:22 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said:
When you build a memory chip, the input
The context-sensitive distinction between a kilobyte, 1000 bytes, and
a kibibyte, 1024 bytes is, finally, a straightforward one, neither
difficult nor arcane; and it is now required.
When the computing community was small and composed of people having
scientific educations it was gratuitous:
- when you mean 2**30 you are off by almost 7.4%, and so
forth.
Charles
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On 5/2/2013 9:55 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
The code is done LOL. Nope, no options. What you get is what you get.
Customers are happy with it. I now have a need to be able to turn it
OFF (not customer unhappiness; machine parsing: machines are happier
with 7867543225 than with 7.86G). So now I
Charles Mills wrote:
Or phrasing the question differently:
Thanks for clarifying your need. You've got all of us in a corner in a
rondavel! (round room) ;-D
consider the integer 4560. It may be expressed as
4.56 x 10**7 or 4.56E7 in scientific notation; or as
45.6 x 10**6 in engineering
Gerhard,
Like a mangler ..aka manager ...lol
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On May 3, 2013, at 2:10 AM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote:
On 5/2/2013 9:55 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
The code is done LOL. Nope, no options.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote:
Charles Mills wrote:
Or phrasing the question differently:
Thanks for clarifying your need. You've got all of us in a corner in a
rondavel! (round room) ;-D
The farmer went crazy in the round barn.
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On 5/2/2013 9:55 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
The code is done
.
Charles
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On 5/2/2013 9:55 PM, Charles
In 02c2a028-a177-4b92-b4d8-ac2f2d2f2...@yahoo.com, on 05/02/2013
at 09:16 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said:
Ok guys ..I understand the science here but I learned a K = 1024
bytes
Back in the 1960's people who used K when they meant 1024 unsderstood
that they were misusing it. In the
In 51832b68.3090...@acm.org, on 05/02/2013
at 10:13 PM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said:
The correct meaning of K (kilo) from its Greek origins was
1000. But, even before the PC weenies took over, K was used
ambiguously in the computer industry and required one to understand
the context
In 0b9601ce47ec$c6518bd0$52f4a370$@mcn.org, on 05/03/2013
at 06:55 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
Might I humbly observe that some people here are more fond of
posting their favorite answer than of reading the question?
You might, but it might be more useful to note that some
I am curious. I know and understand that 1234567 = 1234.567K = 1.234567M
But is the notation such that 1234567 = 1205.657Ki? And how would one
write the Mi value to as many places?
And how are fractional parts handled in binary notation? The link below
did not say. And the example about
IMHO xxbi scaled notation makes little sense except in the context of things
that have a close relationship to integral powers of 2. It might be accurate to
say my annual salary is 65.37 kibibucks (Ki$ ?) but it is hardly
illuminating.
Charles
Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote:
In 51832b68.3090...@acm.org, on 05/02/2013
at 10:13 PM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said:
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PC folks didn't understand those
conventions and made things even more confused by ambiguously using
Shmuel,
I always used K, with the understanding it was 1024 ...if you write assembler a
base register used to cover 4K ,,4096 bytes it's all through IBM manuals as
far as I know ...unless your doing baseless.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through
When you build a memory chip, the input is X number of address bits,
and you have to return 2 ** X number of unique storage bytes. If the
next chip will allow 1 more bit, you have to hold twice as many
storage locations. So memory chips *MUST* be a multiple of 2.
Examples are 10 address bits,
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
Shmuel,
I always used K, with the understanding it was 1024 ...if you write assembler
a base register used to cover 4K ,,4096 bytes it's all through IBM
manuals as far as I know ...unless your doing baseless.
And, if you were offered a job that paid $100K, would you expect to receive
$102,400?
=
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Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 18:08:28 -0400
From: scott_j_f...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?
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Shmuel,
I always used K
18:08:28 -0400
From: scott_j_f...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?
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Shmuel,
I always used K, with the understanding it was 1024 ...if you write
assembler a base register used to cover 4K ,,4096 bytes it's all through
IBM
But that K=1024 usage was ONLY because in the context of Assembler
coding you were dealing with processor memory addresses in hardware
instructions, and memory on the S/360 (and its successors) was addressed
by binary values of 24 bits (later 31 bits). So the S/360 PoOp and ASM
manuals, only
This question has nothing to do with mainframes (other than that I am trying
to name an option for a mainframe program) but I know there are some
ultra-precise word jockeys here.
What is the correct term for K, M or G type notation? If I had integers 1234
and 456, what would you call it if
K is ISO for Kilo meaning times 1000.
Ki is ISO for Kibi meaning times 1024
ref:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8
http://www.nist.gov/pml/pubs/sp330/index.cfm
http://www.nist.gov/pml/pubs/sp811/index.cfm
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:57 AM,
Charles Mills wrote:
...ultra-precise word jockeys here.
...have already discussed 1001 times on IBM-MAIN and posted/refered in IBM-MAIN
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#IEC_standard_prefixes
There you will learn about kibi and friends.
Enjoy. ;-)
Groete / Greetings
Elardus
is the proper term for K notation?
This question has nothing to do with mainframes (other than that I am
trying
to name an option for a mainframe program) but I know there are some
ultra-precise word jockeys here.
What is the correct term for K, M or G type notation? If I had integers
1234
be used as a control statement option?
Charles
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?
Charles
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No, no one is answering the question I tried
See the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) website:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
They are called binary and decimal prefixes (sic). The more commonly
used, (10^3)^n, notation is formally called SI decimal-prefix
notation. The binary, (2^3)^n, notation is
, 2013 1:24 PM
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No, no one is answering the question I tried to ask. Sorry if I was unclear.
I am NOT asking what is the difference between kilo and kibi? or is it
right
to refer to 1024 as 1K? or anything
ITYM: (2^10)^n, notation =
=
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 14:31:45 -0400
From: jwgli...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
See the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) website:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units
On 2 May 2013 14:31, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
Strictly speaking nude values like 1.234K are not well formed. They
specify a magnitude but not a unit, kilobyte or kibibyte, kilocalorie
or kibicalorie, kilogram or kibigram, kilometer or kibimeter, etc.,
etc.
To the question 'If
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No, no one is answering the question I tried to ask. Sorry if I was unclear.
I am NOT asking what is the difference between kilo and kibi? or is it right
: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?
I get it. The question is not about what scaling factor is being specified, or
even the name of a specific measurement units designation, but a more
general-level question of what kind of name would one give to the concept of a
scaled number
'Scaled', 'scaling', and their cognates have a long history in computing.
Packed-decimal arithmetic results are scaled programmatically in
compiled COBOL code. In assembly language, on the other hand, all
packed-decimal arithmetic is integer arithmetic. The programmer who
uses it for
On May 2, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
You do get it! g Your second sentence is a perfect exposition of
what I was trying to ask. Your last paragraph is a perfect
exposition of the problem I am solving with the K notation.
Thanks all, especially JG.
Scaled seems to be pretty
On 5/2/2013 4:08 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
Yeah, I suppose it might say just plain In = 25.7KB, but, as we say,
the program doesn't work that way. (Also, due to other constraints
it MUST appear in a string format message, not in tabular form like
most mainframe reports.)
This reminds me of G
In 0a4a01ce474d$c93942b0$5babc810$@mcn.org, on 05/02/2013
at 11:57 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
What is the correct term for K, M or G type notation?
IEC prefixes or IEC decimal prefixes if you need to distinguish them
from Ki, Mi, Gi et al.
OTOH, what would be the contrasting
: Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?
I get it. The question is not about what scaling factor is being specified,
or even the name of a specific measurement units designation, but a more
general-level question of what kind of name would one give to the concept of
a scaled
.
Charles
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