Re: Power failure
Each cable are connected to two different UPS. Yes i am in a process (management approval) to perform a test by powering of one of its breaker for a minute and verify. Thanks for the suggestions and i will respond back with the outcome On Fri, 18 Oct, 2019, 10:18 PM Edward Finnell, < 000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Each Branch has an Environmental specialist. They'll help you and are > familiar with Auto-Cad for layouts and loading. > > In a message dated 10/18/2019 4:56:15 AM Central Standard Time, > kees.verno...@klm.com writes: > Or: open the floor and check if the power cords are really connected to > different rails. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
Each Branch has an Environmental specialist. They'll help you and are familiar with Auto-Cad for layouts and loading. In a message dated 10/18/2019 4:56:15 AM Central Standard Time, kees.verno...@klm.com writes: Or: open the floor and check if the power cords are really connected to different rails. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
Or: open the floor and check if the power cords are really connected to different rails. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: 18 October, 2019 0:02 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Power failure > > I agree. By mistake both power cords lead to the same UPS, or even > the same breaker. Pick a low impact time. Turn each breaker off for > 1 minute then turn back on. Look for anything that went down and > change outlets as needed. Then power off each UPS to check for > different breakers but same UPS. Or isn't there a device that will > send a signal over the line and you can determine which outlets are > wired to that breaker? Or is that only phone / network lines? > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:27 AM Tom Marchant > <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:41:24 +0400, Peter wrote: > > > > >We have a dual... connectivity from UPS wired to z14. > > > > > >Even if one goes down and another would take a control > > > > That's what you said. > > > > Some of us are skeptical that it is actually implemented the way > > that you intended that it be implemented. > > > > -- > > Tom Marchant > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [External] Re: Power failure
Jerry, That's true (it's also true if you accidentally IPL a test system using the production paging subsystem) that corrupting/losing critical DASD will cause z/OS to fall over. However, I believe the OP mentioned that the SEs were restarted as well. I don't recall if the z14 has internal battery backup for the SE's or not, but if not, IBM made (in my opinion) a mistake moving from laptops with internal batteries to 1u "pizza boxes" for the SEs without BBU. It sure smells to me like there was some kind of power issue that impacted both of the power feeds coming in to the z14. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 5:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: Power failure I seem to remember that Peter mentioned that they may have had an outage on their Storage Subsystem - if you ripped away all the DASD from under z/OS I'll guarantee you'll be reIPL'ing Jerry Whitteridge Delivery Manager / Mainframe Architect GTS - Safeway Account 602 527 4871 Mobile jerry.whitteri...@ibm.com IBM Services IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 10/17/2019 03:01:57 PM: > From: Mike Schwab > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 10/17/2019 02:50 PM > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Power failure > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > I agree. By mistake both power cords lead to the same UPS, or even > the same breaker. Pick a low impact time. Turn each breaker off for > 1 minute then turn back on. Look for anything that went down and > change outlets as needed. Then power off each UPS to check for > different breakers but same UPS. Or isn't there a device that will > send a signal over the line and you can determine which outlets are > wired to that breaker? Or is that only phone / network lines? > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:27 AM Tom Marchant > <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:41:24 +0400, Peter wrote: > > > > >We have a dual... connectivity from UPS wired to z14. > > > > > >Even if one goes down and another would take a control > > > > That's what you said. > > > > Some of us are skeptical that it is actually implemented the way > > that you intended that it be implemented. > > > > -- > > Tom Marchant > > > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
I seem to remember that Peter mentioned that they may have had an outage on their Storage Subsystem - if you ripped away all the DASD from under z/OS I'll guarantee you'll be reIPL'ing Jerry Whitteridge Delivery Manager / Mainframe Architect GTS - Safeway Account 602 527 4871 Mobile jerry.whitteri...@ibm.com IBM Services IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 10/17/2019 03:01:57 PM: > From: Mike Schwab > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 10/17/2019 02:50 PM > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Power failure > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > I agree. By mistake both power cords lead to the same UPS, or even > the same breaker. Pick a low impact time. Turn each breaker off for > 1 minute then turn back on. Look for anything that went down and > change outlets as needed. Then power off each UPS to check for > different breakers but same UPS. Or isn't there a device that will > send a signal over the line and you can determine which outlets are > wired to that breaker? Or is that only phone / network lines? > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:27 AM Tom Marchant > <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:41:24 +0400, Peter wrote: > > > > >We have a dual... connectivity from UPS wired to z14. > > > > > >Even if one goes down and another would take a control > > > > That's what you said. > > > > Some of us are skeptical that it is actually implemented the way > > that you intended that it be implemented. > > > > -- > > Tom Marchant > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
I agree. By mistake both power cords lead to the same UPS, or even the same breaker. Pick a low impact time. Turn each breaker off for 1 minute then turn back on. Look for anything that went down and change outlets as needed. Then power off each UPS to check for different breakers but same UPS. Or isn't there a device that will send a signal over the line and you can determine which outlets are wired to that breaker? Or is that only phone / network lines? On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:27 AM Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:41:24 +0400, Peter wrote: > > >We have a dual... connectivity from UPS wired to z14. > > > >Even if one goes down and another would take a control > > That's what you said. > > Some of us are skeptical that it is actually implemented the way > that you intended that it be implemented. > > -- > Tom Marchant > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:41:24 +0400, Peter wrote: >We have a dual... connectivity from UPS wired to z14. > >Even if one goes down and another would take a control That's what you said. Some of us are skeptical that it is actually implemented the way that you intended that it be implemented. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
We have a dual... connectivity from UPS wired to z14. Even if one goes down and another would take a control On Thu, 17 Oct, 2019, 11:39 AM Mike Schwab, wrote: > Maybe the NYC/WE is single power source and it lost power momentarily and > ordered a reboot when it restarted? > > > On Thursday, October 17, 2019, Peter wrote: > > Yes... How can a SE reboot a machine on its own > > > > On Thu, 17 Oct, 2019, 11:02 AM Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM, < > > kees.verno...@klm.com> wrote: > > > >> Still makes you wonder what *good* reason it had to reboot on its own. > >> > >> Kees. > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On > >> > Behalf Of Peter > >> > Sent: 17 October, 2019 8:33 > >> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >> > Subject: Re: Power failure > >> > > >> > Ibm responded > >> > > >> > Says this system reboot could be due to at SE level. > >> > > >> > Half of the log collected got corrupted > >> > > >> > Error data not in cache . > >> > > >> > Still wondering if SE can really reboot the machine on its own. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, 16 Oct, 2019, 6:21 PM Jousma, David, < > >> > 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> > > >> > > +1 for what Tom says. I didn’t reply to the earlier email from > Peter > >> > this > >> > > morning, but did you drill down into the "restarted forcibly" > message > >> > that > >> > > you presumably saw on the HMC? I'd also go look for hardware > messages > >> > at > >> > > the CEC level, there should be events there, that you can also drill > >> > down > >> > > into. While you may not see the shutdown (hopefully there is > >> > something), > >> > > you would see more of the startup information. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > __ > >> > ___ > >> > > Dave Jousma > >> > > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering > >> > > > >> > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > >> > > Rapids, MI 49546 > >> > > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -Original Message- > >> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > >> Behalf > >> > > Of Tom Marchant > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:07 AM > >> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >> > > Subject: Re: Power failure > >> > > > >> > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > >> > > > >> > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > >> > > unexpected emails** > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:51:34 +0400, Peter wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >I looked into audit and log messages during those time frames. > >> > > > > >> > > >I just see a message as system was restarted forcibly. It doesn't > say > >> > > >what caused it. > >> > > > >> > > If power was lost abruptly, there may have been no opportunity to > log > >> > > anything. > >> > > > >> > > >Does IBM receives more detailed message ? > >> > > > >> > > Have you asked IBM? > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Tom Marchant > >> > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > >> > email > >> > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > **CAUTION > >> > > EXTERNAL EMAIL** > >> > > > >> > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > >> > > unexpected emails** > >> > > > >> > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential > and > >> > may > >
Re: Power failure
Maybe the NYC/WE is single power source and it lost power momentarily and ordered a reboot when it restarted? On Thursday, October 17, 2019, Peter wrote: > Yes... How can a SE reboot a machine on its own > > On Thu, 17 Oct, 2019, 11:02 AM Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM, < > kees.verno...@klm.com> wrote: > >> Still makes you wonder what *good* reason it had to reboot on its own. >> >> Kees. >> >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> > Behalf Of Peter >> > Sent: 17 October, 2019 8:33 >> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> > Subject: Re: Power failure >> > >> > Ibm responded >> > >> > Says this system reboot could be due to at SE level. >> > >> > Half of the log collected got corrupted >> > >> > Error data not in cache . >> > >> > Still wondering if SE can really reboot the machine on its own. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, 16 Oct, 2019, 6:21 PM Jousma, David, < >> > 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> > >> > > +1 for what Tom says. I didn’t reply to the earlier email from Peter >> > this >> > > morning, but did you drill down into the "restarted forcibly" message >> > that >> > > you presumably saw on the HMC? I'd also go look for hardware messages >> > at >> > > the CEC level, there should be events there, that you can also drill >> > down >> > > into. While you may not see the shutdown (hopefully there is >> > something), >> > > you would see more of the startup information. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> __ >> > ___ >> > > Dave Jousma >> > > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering >> > > >> > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand >> > > Rapids, MI 49546 >> > > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -Original Message- >> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >> Behalf >> > > Of Tom Marchant >> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:07 AM >> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> > > Subject: Re: Power failure >> > > >> > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** >> > > >> > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or >> > > unexpected emails** >> > > >> > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:51:34 +0400, Peter wrote: >> > > >> > > >I looked into audit and log messages during those time frames. >> > > > >> > > >I just see a message as system was restarted forcibly. It doesn't say >> > > >what caused it. >> > > >> > > If power was lost abruptly, there may have been no opportunity to log >> > > anything. >> > > >> > > >Does IBM receives more detailed message ? >> > > >> > > Have you asked IBM? >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Tom Marchant >> > > >> > > -- >> > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >> > email >> > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION >> > > EXTERNAL EMAIL** >> > > >> > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or >> > > unexpected emails** >> > > >> > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and >> > may >> > > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. >> > If >> > > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or >> > disseminate >> > > it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any >> disclosure, >> > > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is >> > > prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the >> > sender >> > > that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from >> > your >> > > computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is >> > appreciated. >>
Re: Power failure
Yes... How can a SE reboot a machine on its own On Thu, 17 Oct, 2019, 11:02 AM Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM, < kees.verno...@klm.com> wrote: > Still makes you wonder what *good* reason it had to reboot on its own. > > Kees. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > > Behalf Of Peter > > Sent: 17 October, 2019 8:33 > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Power failure > > > > Ibm responded > > > > Says this system reboot could be due to at SE level. > > > > Half of the log collected got corrupted > > > > Error data not in cache . > > > > Still wondering if SE can really reboot the machine on its own. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Oct, 2019, 6:21 PM Jousma, David, < > > 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > +1 for what Tom says. I didn’t reply to the earlier email from Peter > > this > > > morning, but did you drill down into the "restarted forcibly" message > > that > > > you presumably saw on the HMC? I'd also go look for hardware messages > > at > > > the CEC level, there should be events there, that you can also drill > > down > > > into. While you may not see the shutdown (hopefully there is > > something), > > > you would see more of the startup information. > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > ___ > > > Dave Jousma > > > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering > > > > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > > > Rapids, MI 49546 > > > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf > > > Of Tom Marchant > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:07 AM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: Power failure > > > > > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > > > > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > > > unexpected emails** > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:51:34 +0400, Peter wrote: > > > > > > >I looked into audit and log messages during those time frames. > > > > > > > >I just see a message as system was restarted forcibly. It doesn't say > > > >what caused it. > > > > > > If power was lost abruptly, there may have been no opportunity to log > > > anything. > > > > > > >Does IBM receives more detailed message ? > > > > > > Have you asked IBM? > > > > > > -- > > > Tom Marchant > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email > > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION > > > EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > > > > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > > > unexpected emails** > > > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and > > may > > > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. > > If > > > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or > > disseminate > > > it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any > disclosure, > > > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is > > > prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the > > sender > > > that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from > > your > > > computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > For informat
Re: Power failure
Still makes you wonder what *good* reason it had to reboot on its own. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Peter > Sent: 17 October, 2019 8:33 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Power failure > > Ibm responded > > Says this system reboot could be due to at SE level. > > Half of the log collected got corrupted > > Error data not in cache . > > Still wondering if SE can really reboot the machine on its own. > > > > On Wed, 16 Oct, 2019, 6:21 PM Jousma, David, < > 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > +1 for what Tom says. I didn’t reply to the earlier email from Peter > this > > morning, but did you drill down into the "restarted forcibly" message > that > > you presumably saw on the HMC? I'd also go look for hardware messages > at > > the CEC level, there should be events there, that you can also drill > down > > into. While you may not see the shutdown (hopefully there is > something), > > you would see more of the startup information. > > > > > > > __ > ___ > > Dave Jousma > > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering > > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > > Rapids, MI 49546 > > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > > Of Tom Marchant > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:07 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Power failure > > > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > > unexpected emails** > > > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:51:34 +0400, Peter wrote: > > > > >I looked into audit and log messages during those time frames. > > > > > >I just see a message as system was restarted forcibly. It doesn't say > > >what caused it. > > > > If power was lost abruptly, there may have been no opportunity to log > > anything. > > > > >Does IBM receives more detailed message ? > > > > Have you asked IBM? > > > > -- > > Tom Marchant > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION > > EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > > unexpected emails** > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and > may > > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. > If > > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or > disseminate > > it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, > > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is > > prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the > sender > > that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from > your > > computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is > appreciated. > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
Ibm responded Says this system reboot could be due to at SE level. Half of the log collected got corrupted Error data not in cache . Still wondering if SE can really reboot the machine on its own. On Wed, 16 Oct, 2019, 6:21 PM Jousma, David, < 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > +1 for what Tom says. I didn’t reply to the earlier email from Peter this > morning, but did you drill down into the "restarted forcibly" message that > you presumably saw on the HMC? I'd also go look for hardware messages at > the CEC level, there should be events there, that you can also drill down > into. While you may not see the shutdown (hopefully there is something), > you would see more of the startup information. > > > _ > Dave Jousma > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > Rapids, MI 49546 > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 > > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Tom Marchant > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:07 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Power failure > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > unexpected emails** > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:51:34 +0400, Peter wrote: > > >I looked into audit and log messages during those time frames. > > > >I just see a message as system was restarted forcibly. It doesn't say > >what caused it. > > If power was lost abruptly, there may have been no opportunity to log > anything. > > >Does IBM receives more detailed message ? > > Have you asked IBM? > > -- > Tom Marchant > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION > EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > unexpected emails** > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate > it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is > prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender > that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your > computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
+1 for what Tom says. I didn’t reply to the earlier email from Peter this morning, but did you drill down into the "restarted forcibly" message that you presumably saw on the HMC? I'd also go look for hardware messages at the CEC level, there should be events there, that you can also drill down into. While you may not see the shutdown (hopefully there is something), you would see more of the startup information. _ Dave Jousma AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Power failure **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:51:34 +0400, Peter wrote: >I looked into audit and log messages during those time frames. > >I just see a message as system was restarted forcibly. It doesn't say >what caused it. If power was lost abruptly, there may have been no opportunity to log anything. >Does IBM receives more detailed message ? Have you asked IBM? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:51:34 +0400, Peter wrote: >I looked into audit and log messages during those time frames. > >I just see a message as system was restarted forcibly. It doesn't say what >caused it. If power was lost abruptly, there may have been no opportunity to log anything. >Does IBM receives more detailed message ? Have you asked IBM? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
I looked into audit and log messages during those time frames. I just see a message as system was restarted forcibly. It doesn't say what caused it. Does IBM receives more detailed message ? On Tue, 15 Oct, 2019, 9:12 PM Peter, wrote: > Gary > > When you told about 3380 and we did had some maintenance for DS8K Box. Not > sure if would cause the z box to restart. > > Hopefully log tells more about this. > > On Tue, 15 Oct, 2019, 7:16 PM Gary Jacek, wrote: > >> This reminds me of a problem we had with a brand new 3745 a very long >> time ago at my previous employer. >> >> One main selling point of the 3745, touted by IBM, was dual power >> supplies. >> >> We had just completed our move to a new data centre. Within 24 hours we >> lost our network. That 3745 failed. >> The one flaw in that dual power supply design was a single power cable. >> And that was the component that failed. >> We were down for many hours, until a replacement power cable could be >> flown in from Toronto. (We were in Vancouver) >> >> The other failure we had during that move was a "swing DASD" 3380 that >> just happened to be a sysres pack. >> Of all the 3380s on the floor, this was the only one painted olive drab. >> We spent that week making up stories about this 3380 being depth charged in >> a US submarine or bouncing around in an army drab truck. >> >> Gary Jacek - TELUS IT - Western Canada IT Services - tel (604) 695-6282 >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Peter >> Sent: October 15, 2019 04:47 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Power failure >> >> Hi >> >> We had a power failure on our z14 zr1. I couldn't find any reason on the >> log or hardware message on why it had power failure. Also our z14 box is >> connected to two different UPS and they never went down . >> >> Where can we find the root cause of this power outage? When i checked our >> Support element was initialising and not sure what made this power outage. >> As other machines were all working intact. >> >> Any clue or suggestions to look into this? >> >> Peter >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >> email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
Gary When you told about 3380 and we did had some maintenance for DS8K Box. Not sure if would cause the z box to restart. Hopefully log tells more about this. On Tue, 15 Oct, 2019, 7:16 PM Gary Jacek, wrote: > This reminds me of a problem we had with a brand new 3745 a very long time > ago at my previous employer. > > One main selling point of the 3745, touted by IBM, was dual power supplies. > > We had just completed our move to a new data centre. Within 24 hours we > lost our network. That 3745 failed. > The one flaw in that dual power supply design was a single power cable. > And that was the component that failed. > We were down for many hours, until a replacement power cable could be > flown in from Toronto. (We were in Vancouver) > > The other failure we had during that move was a "swing DASD" 3380 that > just happened to be a sysres pack. > Of all the 3380s on the floor, this was the only one painted olive drab. > We spent that week making up stories about this 3380 being depth charged in > a US submarine or bouncing around in an army drab truck. > > Gary Jacek - TELUS IT - Western Canada IT Services - tel (604) 695-6282 > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Peter > Sent: October 15, 2019 04:47 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Power failure > > Hi > > We had a power failure on our z14 zr1. I couldn't find any reason on the > log or hardware message on why it had power failure. Also our z14 box is > connected to two different UPS and they never went down . > > Where can we find the root cause of this power outage? When i checked our > Support element was initialising and not sure what made this power outage. > As other machines were all working intact. > > Any clue or suggestions to look into this? > > Peter > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
This reminds me of a problem we had with a brand new 3745 a very long time ago at my previous employer. One main selling point of the 3745, touted by IBM, was dual power supplies. We had just completed our move to a new data centre. Within 24 hours we lost our network. That 3745 failed. The one flaw in that dual power supply design was a single power cable. And that was the component that failed. We were down for many hours, until a replacement power cable could be flown in from Toronto. (We were in Vancouver) The other failure we had during that move was a "swing DASD" 3380 that just happened to be a sysres pack. Of all the 3380s on the floor, this was the only one painted olive drab. We spent that week making up stories about this 3380 being depth charged in a US submarine or bouncing around in an army drab truck. Gary Jacek - TELUS IT - Western Canada IT Services - tel (604) 695-6282 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: October 15, 2019 04:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Power failure Hi We had a power failure on our z14 zr1. I couldn't find any reason on the log or hardware message on why it had power failure. Also our z14 box is connected to two different UPS and they never went down . Where can we find the root cause of this power outage? When i checked our Support element was initialising and not sure what made this power outage. As other machines were all working intact. Any clue or suggestions to look into this? Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
I just did a quick look on a z114 HMC, Single Object Operations -> Console Actions -> Audit and Log Management.This log will contain entries for POR and Acivtate actions if the CPC was powered on. Dana On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:44:16 +0400, Peter wrote: >I have a query, if the hardware gets restarted due to power failure does it >write this message anywhere in the logs ? > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
I have a query, if the hardware gets restarted due to power failure does it write this message anywhere in the logs ? On Tue, 15 Oct, 2019, 4:39 PM Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM, < kees.verno...@klm.com> wrote: > Sure. Some time ago we did a check of the power connections before a major > action on one of the power rails and we also found a couple of devices that > had their redundant power plugs connected to the same rail. > > Kees. > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > > Behalf Of Jousma, David > > Sent: 15 October, 2019 14:30 > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Power failure > > > > My point about the UPS's is that while I am sure you know they are fine, > > do you KNOW for sure your z14 is wired to both? Only your facilities > > guys can answer that. We've been known to see a few servers go down > when > > our facilities guys take a PDU offline to do some maintenance, only to > > find that some servers had both of their power feeds coming off the > > same... > > > > > __ > > ___ > > Dave Jousma > > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering > > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > > Rapids, MI 49546 > > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > > Of Peter > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:24 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Power failure > > > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > > unexpected emails** > > > > We have checked our local UPS and they are fine .. > > > > Not sure why SE didn't write anything about this failure and there was no > > IBM call made from box. > > > > There should be somewhere this kind of failure notification would be > > recorded ? > > > > On Tue, 15 Oct, 2019, 3:51 PM Jousma, David, < 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc- > > requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Assuming you have the box properly installed, and reporting "home" to > > > IBM, I'd suspect something local. These boxes have redundant power > > > supplies, and if one fails, it will phone home. Maybe what you think > > > is true about your redundant connections is not really the case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > ___ > > > Dave Jousma > > > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering > > > > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > > > Rapids, MI 49546 > > > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > > Behalf Of Peter > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:47 AM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Power failure > > > > > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > > > > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > > > unexpected emails** > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > We had a power failure on our z14 zr1. I couldn't find any reason on > > > the log or hardware message on why it had power failure. Also our z14 > > > box is connected to two different UPS and they never went down . > > > > > > Where can we find the root cause of this power outage? When i checked > > > our Support element was initialising and not sure what made this power > > outage. > > > As other machines were all working intact. > > > > > > Any clue or suggestions to look into this? > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > > > > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > > > unexpected emails** > > > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidenti
Re: Power failure
Sure. Some time ago we did a check of the power connections before a major action on one of the power rails and we also found a couple of devices that had their redundant power plugs connected to the same rail. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jousma, David > Sent: 15 October, 2019 14:30 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Power failure > > My point about the UPS's is that while I am sure you know they are fine, > do you KNOW for sure your z14 is wired to both? Only your facilities > guys can answer that. We've been known to see a few servers go down when > our facilities guys take a PDU offline to do some maintenance, only to > find that some servers had both of their power feeds coming off the > same... > > __ > ___ > Dave Jousma > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > Rapids, MI 49546 > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 > > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Peter > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:24 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Power failure > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > unexpected emails** > > We have checked our local UPS and they are fine .. > > Not sure why SE didn't write anything about this failure and there was no > IBM call made from box. > > There should be somewhere this kind of failure notification would be > recorded ? > > On Tue, 15 Oct, 2019, 3:51 PM Jousma, David, < 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc- > requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Assuming you have the box properly installed, and reporting "home" to > > IBM, I'd suspect something local. These boxes have redundant power > > supplies, and if one fails, it will phone home. Maybe what you think > > is true about your redundant connections is not really the case? > > > > > > > > > > __ > > ___ > > Dave Jousma > > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering > > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > > Rapids, MI 49546 > > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Peter > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:47 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Power failure > > > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > > unexpected emails** > > > > Hi > > > > We had a power failure on our z14 zr1. I couldn't find any reason on > > the log or hardware message on why it had power failure. Also our z14 > > box is connected to two different UPS and they never went down . > > > > Where can we find the root cause of this power outage? When i checked > > our Support element was initialising and not sure what made this power > outage. > > As other machines were all working intact. > > > > Any clue or suggestions to look into this? > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > > unexpected emails** > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and > may > > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. > If > > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or > > disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, > > any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > > information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by > > informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, > > please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting > this error is appreciated. > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.u
Re: Power failure
My point about the UPS's is that while I am sure you know they are fine, do you KNOW for sure your z14 is wired to both? Only your facilities guys can answer that. We've been known to see a few servers go down when our facilities guys take a PDU offline to do some maintenance, only to find that some servers had both of their power feeds coming off the same... _ Dave Jousma AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Power failure **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** We have checked our local UPS and they are fine .. Not sure why SE didn't write anything about this failure and there was no IBM call made from box. There should be somewhere this kind of failure notification would be recorded ? On Tue, 15 Oct, 2019, 3:51 PM Jousma, David, < 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Assuming you have the box properly installed, and reporting "home" to > IBM, I'd suspect something local. These boxes have redundant power > supplies, and if one fails, it will phone home. Maybe what you think > is true about your redundant connections is not really the case? > > > > > __ > ___ > Dave Jousma > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > Rapids, MI 49546 > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Peter > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:47 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Power failure > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > unexpected emails** > > Hi > > We had a power failure on our z14 zr1. I couldn't find any reason on > the log or hardware message on why it had power failure. Also our z14 > box is connected to two different UPS and they never went down . > > Where can we find the root cause of this power outage? When i checked > our Support element was initialising and not sure what made this power outage. > As other machines were all working intact. > > Any clue or suggestions to look into this? > > Peter > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > unexpected emails** > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or > disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, > any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by > informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, > please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this > error is appreciated. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
Ask IBM to dial in on the box and check the logs. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Peter > Sent: 15 October, 2019 14:24 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Power failure > > We have checked our local UPS and they are fine .. > > Not sure why SE didn't write anything about this failure and there was no > IBM call made from box. > > There should be somewhere this kind of failure notification would be > recorded ? > > On Tue, 15 Oct, 2019, 3:51 PM Jousma, David, < > 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Assuming you have the box properly installed, and reporting "home" to > > IBM, I'd suspect something local. These boxes have redundant power > > supplies, and if one fails, it will phone home. Maybe what you think is > > true about your redundant connections is not really the case? > > > > > > > > > > > __ > ___ > > Dave Jousma > > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering > > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > > Rapids, MI 49546 > > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 > > > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > > Of Peter > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:47 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Power failure > > > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > > unexpected emails** > > > > Hi > > > > We had a power failure on our z14 zr1. I couldn't find any reason on the > > log or hardware message on why it had power failure. Also our z14 box is > > connected to two different UPS and they never went down . > > > > Where can we find the root cause of this power outage? When i checked > our > > Support element was initialising and not sure what made this power > outage. > > As other machines were all working intact. > > > > Any clue or suggestions to look into this? > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION > > EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > > unexpected emails** > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and > may > > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. > If > > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or > disseminate > > it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, > > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is > > prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the > sender > > that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from > your > > computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is > appreciated. > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
We have checked our local UPS and they are fine .. Not sure why SE didn't write anything about this failure and there was no IBM call made from box. There should be somewhere this kind of failure notification would be recorded ? On Tue, 15 Oct, 2019, 3:51 PM Jousma, David, < 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Assuming you have the box properly installed, and reporting "home" to > IBM, I'd suspect something local. These boxes have redundant power > supplies, and if one fails, it will phone home. Maybe what you think is > true about your redundant connections is not really the case? > > > > > _ > Dave Jousma > AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > Rapids, MI 49546 > 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Peter > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:47 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Power failure > > **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > unexpected emails** > > Hi > > We had a power failure on our z14 zr1. I couldn't find any reason on the > log or hardware message on why it had power failure. Also our z14 box is > connected to two different UPS and they never went down . > > Where can we find the root cause of this power outage? When i checked our > Support element was initialising and not sure what made this power outage. > As other machines were all working intact. > > Any clue or suggestions to look into this? > > Peter > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION > EXTERNAL EMAIL** > > **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or > unexpected emails** > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate > it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is > prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender > that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your > computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Power failure
Assuming you have the box properly installed, and reporting "home" to IBM, I'd suspect something local. These boxes have redundant power supplies, and if one fails, it will phone home. Maybe what you think is true about your redundant connections is not really the case? _ Dave Jousma AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 616.653.8429 | fax: 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Power failure **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** Hi We had a power failure on our z14 zr1. I couldn't find any reason on the log or hardware message on why it had power failure. Also our z14 box is connected to two different UPS and they never went down . Where can we find the root cause of this power outage? When i checked our Support element was initialising and not sure what made this power outage. As other machines were all working intact. Any clue or suggestions to look into this? Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Power failure
Hi We had a power failure on our z14 zr1. I couldn't find any reason on the log or hardware message on why it had power failure. Also our z14 box is connected to two different UPS and they never went down . Where can we find the root cause of this power outage? When i checked our Support element was initialising and not sure what made this power outage. As other machines were all working intact. Any clue or suggestions to look into this? Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PPRC power failure
For messaging, review of Message Flood Automation rules would seem to be in order: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ieae200/msgfld.htm On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 9:44 PM Peter wrote: > Hi > > One of our DS box in DR had a power failure last night and our production > LPARS logon got impacted . When I checked up the RMF i saw many DASD > devices were overloaded and flood of PPRC error messages too in SYSLOG. > > Once we fixed the power failure and re-established the replication the > logins and all the application started running. > > Is there any relationship to system performance with the PPRC failure ? > > Peter > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PPRC power failure
Peter, My experience is over a decade old with XRC, but I imagine the potential for some form of read/write/IO pacing is the same and that it could impact performance. Open a PMR and ask IBM. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: PPRC power failure Hi One of our DS box in DR had a power failure last night and our production LPARS logon got impacted . When I checked up the RMF i saw many DASD devices were overloaded and flood of PPRC error messages too in SYSLOG. Once we fixed the power failure and re-established the replication the logins and all the application started running. Is there any relationship to system performance with the PPRC failure ? Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PPRC power failure
On the sending DASD there is a 1 bit per track table of updated tracks. When each track is sent the bit is reset. When it gets caught up it sets a sync point. On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 9:44 PM Peter wrote: > > Hi > > One of our DS box in DR had a power failure last night and our production > LPARS logon got impacted . When I checked up the RMF i saw many DASD > devices were overloaded and flood of PPRC error messages too in SYSLOG. > > Once we fixed the power failure and re-established the replication the > logins and all the application started running. > > Is there any relationship to system performance with the PPRC failure ? > > Peter > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
PPRC power failure
Hi One of our DS box in DR had a power failure last night and our production LPARS logon got impacted . When I checked up the RMF i saw many DASD devices were overloaded and flood of PPRC error messages too in SYSLOG. Once we fixed the power failure and re-established the replication the logins and all the application started running. Is there any relationship to system performance with the PPRC failure ? Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
