Re: [EXTERNAL]Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-14 Thread Edward Finnell
Yeah if you have MXG there's ANAL30DD PROC that will point out pgms and  
EXCPs. With slight modification could only look for ERB* modules.
 
 
In a message dated 7/14/2016 4:33:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
vicky.toble...@americannational.com writes:

Well -  now we have RMF disabled in IFAPRD00.  We have deleted all start up 
PROCS  and are working to identify TSO panels and batch jobs as well as any 
remaining  RMF load modules.

Yes we are using  SDSF.


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Re: [EXTERNAL]Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-14 Thread Tobleman, Vicky
Well - now we have RMF disabled in IFAPRD00.  We have deleted all start up 
PROCS and are working to identify TSO panels and batch jobs as well as any 
remaining RMF load modules.

Yes we are using SDSF.

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Are all references to RMF libraries also removed...are you using SDSF?


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Re: [EXTERNAL]Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-14 Thread Clark Morris
[Default] On 14 Jul 2016 12:45:43 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
vicky.toble...@americannational.com (Tobleman, Vicky) wrote:

>The issue was in an IBM software audit ... in addition to the SCRT reports, 
>which did not report on RMF, the audit required us to run Usage Reports.  @ 
>the time we had 3 separate environments - two of them had RMF enabled in 
>IFAPRD00, the 3rd plex did not.
>
>There was usage listed on one of the plex's - almost every day for months, 
>even though we can find no record of RMF tasks being started (we run CMF).  
>The other plex that had RMF enabled only had one day in 3 months were it 
>showed RMF usage.  We also used a CMF utility to look for RMF records mixed in 
>with CMF records (all type 70's) but did not find any - so we are fairly 
>confident that the main RMF tasks were not running anywhere.
>
>So I'm thinking that "enabled" is not the only thing causing the usage 
>reporting.  We did get a message from IBM support center that talks about 
>generating RMF usage if you initiate the monitor tasks from TSO or batch - 
>neither of which  would cut RMF records but would cause RMF usage of modules.  
>Perhaps we had a batch job that was scheduled on that plex that ran one of the 
>RMF monitors and we didn't realize.  We'll explore that avenue - unless anyone 
>has something else to suggest.

Check the step completion type 30 records for any of the program names
used by RMF.

Clark Morris 
>
>vicky.tobleman
>
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>Hi Peter,
>
>I think it still goes back to the original contract that has you entitled to 
>RMF, so I would check that first.
>
>Best regards,
>Cheryl
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>After some research... I am starting to think this might be the case. It 
>appears we had RMF enabled in IFAPRD00, but were not running it. We are 
>running CMF.
>
>Can a SMF type 89 record indicating RMF use be cut under these circumstances?
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Re: [EXTERNAL]Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-14 Thread patrickfalcone7


Are all references to RMF libraries also removed...are you using SDSF?


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From: "Tobleman, Vicky" <vicky.toble...@americannational.com> 
Date: 07/14/2016  3:35 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL]Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage 

The issue was in an IBM software audit ... in addition to the SCRT reports, 
which did not report on RMF, the audit required us to run Usage Reports.  @ the 
time we had 3 separate environments - two of them had RMF enabled in IFAPRD00, 
the 3rd plex did not.

There was usage listed on one of the plex's - almost every day for months, even 
though we can find no record of RMF tasks being started (we run CMF).  The 
other plex that had RMF enabled only had one day in 3 months were it showed RMF 
usage.  We also used a CMF utility to look for RMF records mixed in with CMF 
records (all type 70's) but did not find any - so we are fairly confident that 
the main RMF tasks were not running anywhere.

So I'm thinking that "enabled" is not the only thing causing the usage 
reporting.  We did get a message from IBM support center that talks about 
generating RMF usage if you initiate the monitor tasks from TSO or batch - 
neither of which  would cut RMF records but would cause RMF usage of modules.  
Perhaps we had a batch job that was scheduled on that plex that ran one of the 
RMF monitors and we didn't realize.  We'll explore that avenue - unless anyone 
has something else to suggest.

vicky.tobleman

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Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

Hi Peter,

I think it still goes back to the original contract that has you entitled to 
RMF, so I would check that first.

Best regards,
Cheryl

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Subject: Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

After some research... I am starting to think this might be the case. It 
appears we had RMF enabled in IFAPRD00, but were not running it. We are running 
CMF.

Can a SMF type 89 record indicating RMF use be cut under these circumstances?

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Re: [EXTERNAL]Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-14 Thread Tobleman, Vicky
The issue was in an IBM software audit ... in addition to the SCRT reports, 
which did not report on RMF, the audit required us to run Usage Reports.  @ the 
time we had 3 separate environments - two of them had RMF enabled in IFAPRD00, 
the 3rd plex did not.

There was usage listed on one of the plex's - almost every day for months, even 
though we can find no record of RMF tasks being started (we run CMF).  The 
other plex that had RMF enabled only had one day in 3 months were it showed RMF 
usage.  We also used a CMF utility to look for RMF records mixed in with CMF 
records (all type 70's) but did not find any - so we are fairly confident that 
the main RMF tasks were not running anywhere.

So I'm thinking that "enabled" is not the only thing causing the usage 
reporting.  We did get a message from IBM support center that talks about 
generating RMF usage if you initiate the monitor tasks from TSO or batch - 
neither of which  would cut RMF records but would cause RMF usage of modules.  
Perhaps we had a batch job that was scheduled on that plex that ran one of the 
RMF monitors and we didn't realize.  We'll explore that avenue - unless anyone 
has something else to suggest.

vicky.tobleman

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Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

Hi Peter,

I think it still goes back to the original contract that has you entitled to 
RMF, so I would check that first.

Best regards,
Cheryl

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After some research... I am starting to think this might be the case. It 
appears we had RMF enabled in IFAPRD00, but were not running it. We are running 
CMF.

Can a SMF type 89 record indicating RMF use be cut under these circumstances?

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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-14 Thread patrickfalcone7


I suspect you mean MULC and not SCRT. We had a similar issue. Once we disabled 
RMF in IFA it stopped reporting in the MULC Software Summary Report section... 
I don't remember this being about usage but it showing up in Summary Report ... 
this back in 2010...


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Date: 07/14/2016  8:55 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage 

After some research... I am starting to think this might be the case. It 
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CMF.

Can a SMF type 89 record indicating RMF use be cut under these circumstances?

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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-14 Thread Al Sherkow
RMF will be in the PRODFEAT fields of TYPE89-2 (PDB.TYPE892 in MXG) but SCRT 
does not read that field and SCRT does not report that fields. In the same 
records, the PRODREGS should be zero if you are not using RMF.

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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-14 Thread Cheryl Watson
Hi Peter,

I think it still goes back to the original contract that has you entitled to 
RMF, so I would check that first.

Best regards,
Cheryl

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After some research... I am starting to think this might be the case. It 
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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-14 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
After some research... I am starting to think this might be the case. It 
appears we had RMF enabled in IFAPRD00, but were not running it. We are running 
CMF.

Can a SMF type 89 record indicating RMF use be cut under these circumstances?

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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-12 Thread Patrick Falcone
Somehow we got dinged on this, maybe it was MULC. We had recently done a CMF 
conversion and it kept showing up in one of the usage reports but the task(s) 
were not active. I'm fairly certain that we had RMF enabled in IFA and had CMF 
also running but no RMF tasks active.


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 Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:40 PM
 Subject: Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage
  
SCRT only reports on products. It does not report features of products. AND 
SCRT only reports on products it knows to be IBM Sub-Capacity products. So SCRT 
does not report on RMF, just as SCRT does not report on IMS TM or IMS DB. It 
only reports IMS as a product. 

As Cheryl wrote if you invoice shows RMF, then IBM's license data needs to be 
corrected.

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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-12 Thread Al Sherkow
SCRT only reports on products. It does not report features of products. AND 
SCRT only reports on products it knows to be IBM Sub-Capacity products. So SCRT 
does not report on RMF, just as SCRT does not report on IMS TM or IMS DB. It 
only reports IMS as a product. 

As Cheryl wrote if you invoice shows RMF, then IBM's license data needs to be 
corrected.

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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-12 Thread patrickfalcone7


Sorry... didn't see Peters original ... check ifa member in parmlib to ensure 
you don't have the rmf enabled



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Date: 07/12/2016  4:20 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage 

Hi Peter,

Usually, RMF does NOT show up on the SCRT report that you create to send IBM.  
It will show up, however, on their bill coming back (also in Excel format).  
Where are you seeing it?  If it's on the bill, then here is what is happening:

1.  When you sign a license for z/OS, you also indicate which other 
entitlements come with that, such as RMF, DFSORT, and similar tools.  If you 
have alternative products, such as CMF or SYNCSORT, then you would remove those 
entitlements during the license signing.

2.  IBM keeps that information in their license database.

3.  You run an SRCT report that shows all of the LPARs where z/OS runs.  IBM 
bills you for every entitlement in every LPAR where z/OS runs, whether you run 
the component or not.  Therefore, if RMF is an entitlement in your license, 
then RMF will show up in every LPAR.

So EITHER you should have removed RMF as an entitlement once you installed CMF, 
OR you are running RMF in at least one LPAR and you're getting charged for all 
LPARs (but there's nothing you can do about that - it's the way it works).

Is this the situation in your case?

Best regards,
Cheryl


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Our SCRT reporting for IBM showed type 89 records that indicted that RMF was 
used. We do not run RMF, we run CMF. I am looking back at syslogs and SMF data; 
I am trying to determine what caused that (RMF usage) type 89 record to get 
cut. It does not appear that the RMF STC was started… wondering what else could 
be the cause.

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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-12 Thread Cheryl Watson
Hi Peter,

Usually, RMF does NOT show up on the SCRT report that you create to send IBM.  
It will show up, however, on their bill coming back (also in Excel format).  
Where are you seeing it?  If it's on the bill, then here is what is happening:

1.  When you sign a license for z/OS, you also indicate which other 
entitlements come with that, such as RMF, DFSORT, and similar tools.  If you 
have alternative products, such as CMF or SYNCSORT, then you would remove those 
entitlements during the license signing.

2.  IBM keeps that information in their license database.

3.  You run an SRCT report that shows all of the LPARs where z/OS runs.  IBM 
bills you for every entitlement in every LPAR where z/OS runs, whether you run 
the component or not.  Therefore, if RMF is an entitlement in your license, 
then RMF will show up in every LPAR.

So EITHER you should have removed RMF as an entitlement once you installed CMF, 
OR you are running RMF in at least one LPAR and you're getting charged for all 
LPARs (but there's nothing you can do about that - it's the way it works).

Is this the situation in your case?

Best regards,
Cheryl


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Our SCRT reporting for IBM showed type 89 records that indicted that RMF was 
used. We do not run RMF, we run CMF. I am looking back at syslogs and SMF data; 
I am trying to determine what caused that (RMF usage) type 89 record to get 
cut. It does not appear that the RMF STC was started… wondering what else could 
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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-12 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
Our SCRT reporting for IBM showed type 89 records that indicted that RMF was 
used. We do not run RMF, we run CMF. I am looking back at syslogs and SMF data; 
I am trying to determine what caused that (RMF usage) type 89 record to get 
cut. It does not appear that the RMF STC was started… wondering what else could 
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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-12 Thread Martin Packer
RMF is NOT involved in the cutting of SMF 89, just like it isn't in the 30s.

(I mention 30s only because they're another source of Usage information.)

Cheers, Martin

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> 
> What makes you think it is part of RMF? 
> Did you look at the SMF manual?
> 
> It is product usage for capacity level billing.
> 
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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-11 Thread Roger Lowe
Have you checked your IFAPRDxx Parmlib member to see whether RMF is ENABLED? Or 
issue the 'D PROD,STATE,ALL' command and that should also show you the state of 
the various product entries.

It may have been ENABLED and someone started/stopped RMF?

Just my 0.02 worth

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Re: SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-11 Thread Roach, Dennis
What makes you think it is part of RMF? 
Did you look at the SMF manual?

It is product usage for capacity level billing.


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Can anyone think of how a SMF type 89 record reporting RMF usage would be 
generated without running the RMF STC?

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SMF type 89 records reporting RMF usage

2016-07-11 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
Can anyone think of how a SMF type 89 record reporting RMF usage would be 
generated without running the RMF STC?

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