Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-21 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2017-06-21 15:50, Tony Harminc wrote: Muphry's law? ^ Murphy's Law in action. Not this time, at least not yet. Muphry's is rather more specific than Murphy's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law [typing very carefully] Interesting...thanks! -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Softwar

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-21 Thread Tony Harminc
On 21 June 2017 at 14:10, Gord Tomlin wrote: > On 2017-06-21 11:58, Tony Harminc wrote: >> >> Muphry's law? > > ^ Murphy's Law in action. Not this time, at least not yet. Muphry's is rather more specific than Murphy's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law Tony H. ---

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-21 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
ubject: Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates On 2017-06-21 11:58, Tony Harminc wrote: > Muphry's law? ^ Murphy's Law in action. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-71

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-21 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2017-06-21 11:58, Tony Harminc wrote: Muphry's law? ^ Murphy's Law in action. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 -- Fo

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-21 Thread Phil Smith
Tony Harminc wrote: >Or "trying to test STCKF and compare it to STCK"? Sigh, yes. ONE OF THOSE! (Thanks for catching that. Must be a Monday.) "220, 221, whatever it takes..." -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-21 Thread Tony Harminc
On 21 June 2017 at 11:20, Phil Smith wrote: > Of course I meant "trying to test STCKE and compare it to STCK". Or "trying to test STCKF and compare it to STCK"? Muphry's law? (No, I did *not* mean...) Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN s

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-21 Thread Phil Smith
Of course I meant "trying to test STCKE and compare it to STCK". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-20 Thread Chris Hoelscher
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 11:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:27:33 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: >There's a recent CICS APAR PI82188 that showed

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-20 Thread Phil Smith
Paul Gilmartin wrote: >>If you're one in a million, and you live in a city of three million people... >It may be far worse than that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem Hm? This isn't the same thing, it's a monotonically increasing counter. It's just a question of whether things are

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-20 Thread Tony Harminc
On 20 June 2017 at 14:50, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I've always thought of STCKF clashes as a >>theoretical problem not likely to be encountered in one's lifetime. >>The APAR description suggests, without clearly saying so, that this >>has happened at

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-20 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 11:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:27:33 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: >There's a recent CICS APAR PI82188 that showed up in my R

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:27:33 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: >There's a recent CICS APAR PI82188 that showed up in my Red Alert ... > >STCKF and friends have been discussed here and/or the assembler list >in recent years, but I've always thought of STCKF clashes as a >theoretical problem not likely to

Re: Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-20 Thread Phil Smith
Interesting. ObAnecdote: I was trying to test STCK a couple of years ago, and compare it to STCK. I ran a loop of 1M STCKs and another of STCKFs, and found that STCKF was way *slower*. This was on a zPDT; IBM said "Ooops" and wrote a fix. -- ...phsiii Phil Smith III Senior Architect & Product

Store Clock Fast really can give duplicates

2017-06-20 Thread Tony Harminc
There's a recent CICS APAR PI82188 that showed up in my Red Alert feed. Evidently CICS was using STCKF to obtain a "unique" value as a Unit Of Work (UOW) identifier, and once in a while two STCKFs returned the same value, with Very Bad consequences. The fix is to change it (back, by the sound of th