Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural
@John McKown, love the Heinlein reference. Brings back very fond memories from high school in the late 70s reading The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Anyway... Compuware includes support for zIIP enablement in the Compuware Shared Services (CSS) Cobol, PL/I, and Assembler language processors at no extra charge. Also, some of our products are written in Java, making them zAAP eligible. For example, our Fault Analytics tool, which is now (as of June, 2013) included with Abend-AID has large portions written in Java. Roland J. Kinsman, Solution Consultant Compuware Corporation http://www.compuware.com/en_us/mainframe-solutions.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural
We are looking at it. We pulled together a month of SMF data for them to analyze to assess is we're a good candidate or not. Now awaiting those results. In our initial meetings SAG believed we may indeed be a good candidate due to our heavy batch environment. On 6/6/2013 7:30 PM, Longnecker, Dennis wrote: Just ran across this that enables Natural to utilize the zIIP processor. https://www.softwareag.com/us/images/SAG_zIIP_Enabler_FS_May12_web_tcm89-98519.pdf Wondering if anyone is using it or has more details they can share. Thanks, Dennis -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Brian W. France Systems Administrator (Mainframe) Pennsylvania State University Administrative Information Services - Infrastructure/SYSARC Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 814-863-4739 b...@psu.edu To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural
Is this an additional charge feature or just a startup option? Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural
I believe there is an additional charge. On 6/7/2013 8:23 AM, Bob Shannon wrote: Is this an additional charge feature or just a startup option? Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Brian W. France Systems Administrator (Mainframe) Pennsylvania State University Administrative Information Services - Infrastructure/SYSARC Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 814-863-4739 b...@psu.edu To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural
On 6/7/2013 5:23 AM, Bob Shannon wrote: Is this an additional charge feature or just a startup option? It appears to be an additional charge, which is interesting. AFAIK, every other vendor from IBM, to CA, to (Phoenix--that's us!), to you-name-it has offered zIIP enablement free as a way to make their products more attractive and to help lower costs for our platform. Software AG's approach is probably aimed at helping them recoup some of the development costs associated with zIIP enablement--which can be quite high. Have other software providers done this as well? Or is Software AG the first? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural
My cynicism and knowing Sag's attitude towards subcapacity licensing leads me to expect that they charge close to what they would charge for a full CP. Natural is a good language, but Sag's growth model is in other areas of their product line. Adabas/Natural shops are a captive revenue source. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural On 6/7/2013 5:23 AM, Bob Shannon wrote: Is this an additional charge feature or just a startup option? It appears to be an additional charge, which is interesting. AFAIK, every other vendor from IBM, to CA, to (Phoenix--that's us!), to you- name-it has offered zIIP enablement free as a way to make their products more attractive and to help lower costs for our platform. Software AG's approach is probably aimed at helping them recoup some of the development costs associated with zIIP enablement--which can be quite high. Have other software providers done this as well? Or is Software AG the first? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural
W dniu 2013-06-07 19:07, Norman.Hollander pisze: CA used to offer % of zIIP pricing. Example, if you used the base IDMS, it offloaded up to 40% to zIIP for no additional dollars. If you want 75%, there was a OTC offered for the feature. If you wanted 100%, you needed a big-ticket Enterprise feature to unlock that feature. I'm Sure there were certain arrangements made for the larger customers. Fuzzy Math Alert, numbers mentioned are an example, not actual values. It looks funny: You pay company A to decrease other payments to other companies. Offload to zIIP/zAAP means less MIPS, which could mean less MIPS installed or used (SCRT), which means less fees to IBM and ISV's. And company A want money for that. Is it far from Neon approach? The only difference I can see is Neon's product was pure offloader of third party software - and this is considered illegal. But in case when the third party software is offloaded by its manufacturer it's OK. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2013 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.555.904 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural
As Robert Anson Heinlein once wrote in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. Especially in marketing. What the buyer hopes is that the software cost reduction from other products is greater than the cost increase to the other. On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:34 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: W dniu 2013-06-07 19:07, Norman.Hollander pisze: CA used to offer % of zIIP pricing. Example, if you used the base IDMS, it offloaded up to 40% to zIIP for no additional dollars. If you want 75%, there was a OTC offered for the feature. If you wanted 100%, you needed a big-ticket Enterprise feature to unlock that feature. I'm Sure there were certain arrangements made for the larger customers. Fuzzy Math Alert, numbers mentioned are an example, not actual values. It looks funny: You pay company A to decrease other payments to other companies. Offload to zIIP/zAAP means less MIPS, which could mean less MIPS installed or used (SCRT), which means less fees to IBM and ISV's. And company A want money for that. Is it far from Neon approach? The only difference I can see is Neon's product was pure offloader of third party software - and this is considered illegal. But in case when the third party software is offloaded by its manufacturer it's OK. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomo ci mo e zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wy cznie do u ytku s u bowego adresata. Odbiorc mo e by jedynie jej adresat z wy czeniem dost pu osób trzecich. Je eli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomo ci lub pracownikiem upowa nionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dzia anie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i mo e by karalne. Je eli otrzyma e t wiadomo omy kowo, prosimy niezw ocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysy aj c odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo w czaj c w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl S d Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru S dowego, nr rejestru przedsi biorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wed ug stanu na dzie 01.01.2013 r. kapita zak adowy BRE Banku SA (w ca o ci wp acony) wynosi 168.555.904 z otych. --**--**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural
On 6/7/2013 11:34 AM, R.S. wrote: But in case when the third party software is offloaded by its manufacturer it's OK. In that case, it is not a third party. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
zIIP Enabler for Natural
Just ran across this that enables Natural to utilize the zIIP processor. https://www.softwareag.com/us/images/SAG_zIIP_Enabler_FS_May12_web_tcm89-98519.pdf Wondering if anyone is using it or has more details they can share. Thanks, Dennis -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural
On 2013-06-06 17:30, Longnecker, Dennis wrote: Just ran across this that enables Natural to utilize the zIIP processor. https://www.softwareag.com/us/images/SAG_zIIP_Enabler_FS_May12_web_tcm89-98519.pdf Wondering if anyone is using it or has more details they can share. Is this IBM-approved, or another Neon zPrime? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: zIIP Enabler for Natural
On 6/6/2013 4:58 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On 2013-06-06 17:30, Longnecker, Dennis wrote: Just ran across this that enables Natural to utilize the zIIP processor. https://www.softwareag.com/us/images/SAG_zIIP_Enabler_FS_May12_web_tcm89-98519.pdf Wondering if anyone is using it or has more details they can share. Is this IBM-approved, or another Neon zPrime? A quick read of the brochure makes it clear this is IBM-approved zIIP exploitation and not another zPrime hack: Brochure HOW IT WORKS zIIP Enabler for Natural moves eligible batch workload from the GPP by switching to Service Request Block (SRB) execution mode whenever possible. By keeping the overhead involved with switching to a minimum while maximizing the execution time on the zIIP processor, reductions in GPP CPU of up to 95 percent can be achieved /Brochure -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
