Re: ISPF 3.4 question

2014-04-07 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 02:39:19 -0500, Juergen Kehr wrote: So my assumption is, that the dataset is contained in some other active catalog, but I couldn't find out in which catalog ISPF does find the entry. Select Display Catalog Name in the ISPF 3.4-panel (ISRUDLP). Press F11 (=Right) 2 or 3

Re: Real programmers eat foo

2014-04-07 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
English fish and chips. Two lots for lunch, once for dinner and on the way home from the pub was my record on one notable day. In London, the doner kebab and pints of London Pride were the favoured food of the early 80s. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com wrote:

Re: 3270 Emulators and consoles

2014-04-07 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-04-06 14:57, Richards, Robert B. pisze: IBM's Host On Demand AFAIK Host On Demand is some kind of 3270 in web browser, served by HTTP server on z/OS (with some FMID installed). If the above is correct, then how could you use it for IPL ? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland --

Re: Real programmers eat foo

2014-04-07 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: When I started with computers, programmers subsisted on a diet of pizza and coffee. The new generation ate popcorn, which I find less satisfying than pizza. At least one company collected recyclable paper and used the proceeds to buy beer for a monthly party. I

Re: Real programmers eat foo

2014-04-07 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-04-07 12:31, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: When I started with computers, programmers subsisted on a diet of pizza and coffee. The new generation ate popcorn, which I find less satisfying than pizza. At least one company collected recyclable paper and

Re: ISPF 3.4 question

2014-04-07 Thread Lizette Koehler
Are these datasets defined in SYS1.PARMLIB in a PROGxx member? When you do a LISTC ENT('name here') ALL What do you see for the volser? Is it one of your volsers below or ** or a symbolic? Please post a LISTC result. Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: ISPF 3.4 question

2014-04-07 Thread Juergen Kehr
Dear Norbert, that's it ! I should have read the panel more carefully, the field Display Catalog Name solves my problem. Thanks. Kind regards. Juergen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

OT: How would you like _this_ as your z/OS has hard waited message?

2014-04-07 Thread John McKown
The Linux developers are considering using QR codes to encode Kernel OOPS (hard wait) information. Snap a picture of it on the old cell phone, then decode it. It could encode a URL and debug data so that the user could open a bug report using it. In our case, such a thing would need to come up on

Re: 3270 Emulators and consoles

2014-04-07 Thread Richards, Robert B.
We don't. We use PCOMM. :-) But we do use HoD as a web to host 3270 emulator. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 5:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 Emulators and

z9BC - HMC access via Chrome or FireFox?

2014-04-07 Thread John McKown
I've tried to access the system messages function on the HMC (z9BC) via the web interface using the I.E. , Chrome, and Firefox browsers. I can do everything on all of them _except_ for the system messages function; which I use as the z/OS console to IPL from home. This functions only works

Re: Logical Choices (was: ISPF dynamically allocating dataset with DISP=OLD?)

2014-04-07 Thread John McKown
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Fri, 4 Apr 2014 20:11:59 +, Chase, John wrote: Update from the vendor: The scheduler DOES NOT attempt to acquire exclusive allocation of a JCL member; it only needs READ access to the JCL library. So, the

Re: Semi-OT: Government snooping was Re: Is there any MF shop using AWS service?

2014-04-07 Thread Scott Ford
Maybe the people who are so vocal about the government should live/work in another country. Its their rules and your a guest. Been there twice. Regards, Scott www.identityforge.com From: Clark Morris Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎April‎ ‎6‎, ‎2014 ‎12‎:‎34‎ ‎PM To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: OT: How would you like _this_ as your z/OS has hard waited message?

2014-04-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 07:03:25 -0500, John McKown wrote: The Linux developers are considering using QR codes to encode Kernel OOPS (hard wait) information. Snap a picture of it on the old cell phone, then decode it. It could encode a URL and debug data so that the user could open a bug report using

Re: How would you like _this_ as your z/OS has hard waited message?

2014-04-07 Thread Charles Mills
How would they display it? Aren't most *nix consoles simple ASCII-type terminals? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 5:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: OT: How

Re: 3270 Emulators and consoles

2014-04-07 Thread Pommier, Rex
Radoslaw, Yes, HOD is a browser-based 3270 emulator, but it doesn't need to be hosted via IHS on the mainframe. At a prior job it was hosted on a Windows server. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent:

Re: How would you like _this_ as your z/OS has hard waited message?

2014-04-07 Thread David Crayford
April fools for sure On 07/04/2014, at 9:19 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: How would they display it? Aren't most *nix consoles simple ASCII-type terminals? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf

Re: How would you like _this_ as your z/OS has hard waited message?

2014-04-07 Thread John McKown
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: How would they display it? Aren't most *nix consoles simple ASCII-type terminals? Not any more. In the olden days, most *nix terminals were RS232 connected teletype-like devices. Then came the glass ttys, the most popular

Re: z/OS hfs/zfs library managment?

2014-04-07 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:48:23 -0400, Moore, Kenneth C. wrote: Every webservice CICS region needs to be running the same code. It would seem the way to do this is to keep a read-only pick-up directory mounted everywhere. You would need to unmount the read-only everywhere and update it on one

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Re: z9BC - HMC access via Chrome or FireFox?

2014-04-07 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-04-07 14:40, John McKown pisze: I've tried to access the system messages function on the HMC (z9BC) via the web interface using the I.E. , Chrome, and Firefox browsers. I can do everything on all of them _except_ for the system messages function; which I use as the z/OS console to

Re: z/OS hfs/zfs library managment?

2014-04-07 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Marchant On Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:48:23 -0400, Moore, Kenneth C. wrote: Every webservice CICS region needs to be running the same code. It would seem the way to do this is to keep a read-only pick-up directory

Re: Logical Choices (was: ISPF dynamically allocating dataset with DISP=OLD?)

2014-04-07 Thread John Gilmore
The old, old question: Why are PDSs (instead of PDSEs) being used here? John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the

Re: Logical Choices (was: ISPF dynamically allocating dataset with DISP=OLD?)

2014-04-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 09:53:03 -0500, John McKown wrote: Hum, I don't see the need to downgrade. From what I understand, when a user does an ISPF editor SAVE command, ISPF does: ENQ SPFEDIT dsn OLD write out to PDS STOW to update the PDS directory DEQ SPFEDIT dsn That is, ISPF does not have a SHR

Re: 3270 Emulators and consoles and SSL

2014-04-07 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 4 Apr 2014 13:57:38 -0500, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Vista Tn3270 does support SSL. Just not client certificates. As I told someone who emailed me off list, I can get to guest z/OS systems with Vista, but not the RDP VM systems to activate the guest / IPL etc. I was

Re: Logical Choices (was: ISPF dynamically allocating dataset with DISP=OLD?)

2014-04-07 Thread John McKown
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote: On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 09:53:03 -0500, John McKown wrote: Hum, I don't see the need to downgrade. From what I understand, when a user does an ISPF editor SAVE command, ISPF does: ENQ SPFEDIT dsn OLD write out to PDS

Re: Logical Choices (was: ISPF dynamically allocating dataset with DISP=OLD?)

2014-04-07 Thread John McKown
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote: snip I use LM services for background updates of PDS. (And once was caught by a MIM failure.) Soon, it may be time for a(nother) rant about the difficulty of LMCOPY from a UNIX file to a PDS member. The best I can

Re: How would you like _this_ as your z/OS has hard waited message?

2014-04-07 Thread Charles Mills
I have several Linux VMs here and they all have a console that looks EXACTLY like the one that illustrates the article -- straight ASCII, straight out of the 80's. If the illustration in the article illustrates the problem, how could that display be used to implement the described solution?

Re: How would you like _this_ as your z/OS has hard waited message?

2014-04-07 Thread Charles Mills
Datelined April 5. These things are usually datelined April 1 if they are intended as April foolery. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 6:30 AM To:

Re: How would you like _this_ as your z/OS has hard waited message?

2014-04-07 Thread John McKown
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: I have several Linux VMs here and they all have a console that looks EXACTLY like the one that illustrates the article -- straight ASCII, straight out of the 80's. If the illustration in the article illustrates the

Re: How would you like _this_ as your z/OS has hard waited message?

2014-04-07 Thread retired mainframer
I wonder about those facilities which ban all cameras, including cell phones, for security reasons. :: -Original Message- :: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On :: Behalf Of John McKown :: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 5:03 AM :: To:

Re: How would you like _this_ as your z/OS has hard waited message?

2014-04-07 Thread John McKown
They won't benefit? Their choice. From what I gather, it is really supposed to be so that an average Linux user, who is not a real techie, can get better support from their vendor. Places which ban devices such as you mentioned will just be forced to do things the older way. On Fedora, I run abrt.

Re: Real programmers eat foo

2014-04-07 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 April 2014 21:14, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: What data center food/drink customs have others encountered? In my early days as junior sysprog we did a lot of late night testing. In those days long predating the popularization of good coffee beans and methods,

Re: Logical Choices (was: ISPF dynamically allocating dataset with DISP=OLD?)

2014-04-07 Thread Bob Shannon
Why is it that SYS1.NUCLEUS can't be a PDSE? SYS1.LINKLIB? SYS1.LPALIB, SYS1.PARMLIB? Could it be the short sighted and inadequate implementation? Common Clark. You should already know that NIP is too early in the IPL process to use PDSEs. Bob Shannon Rocket Software

Re: Logical Choices (was: ISPF dynamically allocating dataset with DISP=OLD?)

2014-04-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 17:41:42 +, Bob Shannon wrote: Why is it that SYS1.NUCLEUS can't be a PDSE? SYS1.LINKLIB? SYS1.LPALIB, SYS1.PARMLIB? Could it be the short sighted and inadequate implementation? Common Clark. You should already know that NIP is too early in the IPL process to use PDSEs.

Re: Logical Choices (was: ISPF dynamically allocating dataset with DISP=OLD?)

2014-04-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 10:54:55 -0500, John McKown wrote: Soon, it may be time for a(nother) rant about the difficulty of LMCOPY from a UNIX file to a PDS member. The best I can do is first copy it to a temp DS (or SYSCALL readfile, then LMPUT in a loop). IBM should enhance the UNIX cp command

Re: z9BC - HMC access via Chrome or FireFox?

2014-04-07 Thread Ken Smith
I can confirm operating system messages doesn't work for me in Firefox (22) but does in IE 8. The popup window doesn't pop under Firefox. This is HMC 2.11 on a z/10. All other pop ups work in Firefox. Unable to find any info on supported browsers. If they support firefox this is a defect. Ken

Re: z9BC - HMC access via Chrome or FireFox?

2014-04-07 Thread John McKown
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Ken Smith featse...@gmail.com wrote: I can confirm operating system messages doesn't work for me in Firefox (22) but does in IE 8. The popup window doesn't pop under Firefox. This is HMC 2.11 on a z/10. All other pop ups work in Firefox. I have so many

Re: z9BC - HMC access via Chrome or FireFox?

2014-04-07 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-04-07 20:53, Ken Smith pisze: I can confirm operating system messages doesn't work for me in Firefox (22) but does in IE 8. The popup window doesn't pop under Firefox. This is HMC 2.11 on a z/10. All other pop ups work in Firefox. I can confirm operating system messages does

Re: z9BC - HMC access via Chrome or FireFox?

2014-04-07 Thread Staller, Allan
pop-up blocker facility in Firefox? snip I can confirm operating system messages doesn't work for me in Firefox (22) but does in IE 8. The popup window doesn't pop under Firefox. This is HMC 2.11 on a z/10. All other pop ups work in Firefox. Unable to find any info on supported browsers. If

Re: z9BC - HMC access via Chrome or FireFox?

2014-04-07 Thread Keith Smith
I don't know about 2.11 but 2.12 works fine under FireFox 22 for me. I did have to tell Firefox to accept the risk and allow popups from the HMC IP address. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Ken Smith featse...@gmail.com wrote: I can confirm operating system messages doesn't work for me in

Re: 3270 Emulators and consoles

2014-04-07 Thread Ward, Mike S
We use Host Explorer as ICC Consoles. Works great. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 2:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 3270 Emulators and consoles The question is what

Re: Semi-OT: Government snooping was Re: Is there any MF shop using AWS service?

2014-04-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 00fe01cf51bd$96812ab0$c3838010$@mxg.com, on 04/06/2014 at 12:28 PM, Barry Merrill ba...@mxg.com said: And, I believe the actual company name with the SHARE code of CAD was listed as Northern Virginia Department of Highways, which I also think was the sign on the GW Parkway to the CIA. Way

Re: 3270 Emulators and consoles

2014-04-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 534273d9.8080...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 04/07/2014 at 11:46 AM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said: AFAIK Host On Demand is some kind of 3270 in web browser, served by HTTP server on z/OS (with some FMID installed). No; you instal it from a web server, but after that it runs

3270 .csv spreadsheet

2014-04-07 Thread Ed Finnell
Maybe we can fill in the blanks. I just guessed and don't know about cost or cost per seat. Should be able to cut and past into Excel. Product,Vendor,Link,Site License,Cost,RFC Support,ICC Comp.,Win 7/8 Attachmate Extra Extreme 9,,,y,100,y,y,y BlueZone ,Rocket Soft,,y,100,y,y,y Host on

Re: 3270 .csv spreadsheet

2014-04-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 19:28:17 -0400, Ed Finnell wrote: Maybe we can fill in the blanks. I just guessed and don't know about cost or cost per seat. Should be able to cut and past into Excel. Or not. Some troublemaker Mail Agent converted this to format=flowed and failed to reflect this in the

Re: Logical Choices (was: ISPF dynamically allocating dataset with DISP=OLD?)

2014-04-07 Thread Clark Morris
On 7 Apr 2014 10:41:50 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Why is it that SYS1.NUCLEUS can't be a PDSE? SYS1.LINKLIB? SYS1.LPALIB, SYS1.PARMLIB? Could it be the short sighted and inadequate implementation? Common Clark. You should already know that NIP is too early in the IPL process

Re: 3270 .csv spreadsheet

2014-04-07 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 19:28:17 -0400, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com wrote: Maybe we can fill in the blanks. I just guessed and don't know about cost or cost per seat. Should be able to cut and past into Excel. Or not. Some troublemaker Mail Agent converted this to format=flowed and failed to

Re: Using DB2 and MQ under JZOS

2014-04-07 Thread Timothy Sipples
Mohammad Khan writes: My reasons for not using a transaction manager are You've listed three arguments. The first argument is that *you* won't be using all the features a major transaction manager offers. To which I'd reply that almost nobody uses all those features for any particular, single

Re: Semi-OT: Government snooping was Re: Is there any MF shop using AWS service?

2014-04-07 Thread David Purdy
In the late 70's, I was programming for 'Project Match', where large corporations voluntarily gave their employment data to the various state governments (via the FBI), and we matched them against welfare enrollment of some kind. Snooping's been going on for a while, don't you think? David

Re: Logical Choices (was: ISPF dynamically allocating dataset with DISP=OLD?)

2014-04-07 Thread John McKown
In case anybody is interested. I looked at the RedHat Fedora initramfs which is the boot image used by the GRUB boot loader to start up my Linux/Intel system at home. This is basically a compressed archive. The file itself is 41 meg compressed. It expands to 103 meg. The boot loader in Linux

Re: 3270 Emulators and consoles

2014-04-07 Thread Timothy Sipples
Yes, both IBM Personal Communications and IBM Host On-Demand are OSA-ICC compliant clients. A brief word about licensing. If you license IBM Personal Communications you also license IBM Host On-Demand. IBM combined the licenses into one package several years ago. Here are the package options: 1.

Re: How would you like _this_ as your z/OS has hard waited message?

2014-04-07 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks. I learned something. Seriously. Also: One popular aspect of this is the ability to have console show the Tux logo at boot up. I can definitely see the business case for that. g Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On

Re: Logical Choices (was: ISPF dynamically allocating dataset with DISP=OLD?)

2014-04-07 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 20:27:18 -0500, John McKown wrote: I looked at the RedHat Fedora initramfs which is the boot image used by the GRUB boot loader to start up my Linux/Intel system at home. No it isn't. It is designed to be used to ensure the root filesystem is mountable by the kernel.

Why won't you DIE? IBM's S/360 and its legacy at 50 • The Channel

2014-04-07 Thread Ed Gould
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2014/04/07/ibm_s_360_50_anniversary/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN