Re: z13s with single CPU able to use SMT?

2019-06-28 Thread Brian Westerman
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Re: z13s with single CPU able to use SMT?

2019-06-28 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Agreed Gadi From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Brian Westerman Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 09:44 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13s with single CPU able to use SMT? Bummer Brian

Re: z13s with single CPU able to use SMT?

2019-06-28 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Brian Westerman wrote: >Bummer About what do you say "bummer"? TIA! Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the

Re: Dataset encryption question

2019-06-28 Thread Allan Staller
Nope! Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 6:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Dataset encryption question Outside of using dataset conditional access rules is there

Re: LOAD/LINK exit

2019-06-28 Thread Peter Relson
I suppose there might be security concerns around knowing what gets fetched? It has nothing to do with "knowing" anything. It has to do with the environment in which the code calling the exit runs, and avoiding crippling the system by doing something differently that would likely have

Dataset encryption question

2019-06-28 Thread Mark Jacobs
Outside of using dataset conditional access rules is there anyway to prevent someone from copying encrypted dataset HLQ1.data to HLQ2.data? They have access rights to both HLQ's and the encryption key. Mark Jacobs Sent from [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com), Swiss-based encrypted email.

Re: z13s with single CPU able to use SMT?

2019-06-28 Thread Peter Relson
As Parwez correctly pointed out, z/OS's SMT 2 is limited to zIIPs. Since you cannot have an LPAR with only a zIIP (you could not IPL it), you therefore cannot have an LPAR with only a single CPU running z/OS that is able to use SMT. You could write your own operating system that allows that.

Re: z13s with single CPU able to use SMT?

2019-06-28 Thread Parwez Hamid
I think this was his response to CPs not supporting SMT  Regards Parwez Hamid​ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: 28 June 2019 11:14 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z13s with single CPU able to use SMT?

Re: Dataset encryption question

2019-06-28 Thread Jousma, David
No, and is one of the "problems or challenges" if you will with dataset encryption.An enterprise goes to the significan effort to do data at rest encryption, yet anyone that has legitimate READ access to the data can be sloppy, and re-create the exposure just by copying the data to another

Re: Dataset encryption question

2019-06-28 Thread John McKown
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 6:39 AM Mark Jacobs < 0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Outside of using dataset conditional access rules is there anyway to > prevent someone from copying encrypted dataset HLQ1.data to HLQ2.data? They > have access rights to both HLQ's and the

Re: LOAD/LINK exit

2019-06-28 Thread Thomas David Rivers
Peter Relson wrote: I suppose there might be security concerns around knowing what gets fetched? It has nothing to do with "knowing" anything. It has to do with the environment in which the code calling the exit runs, and avoiding crippling the system by doing something differently that

Re: Dataset encryption question

2019-06-28 Thread Bill Johnson
If they have access to HLQ1.data and the encryption key. Why would they need to copy it to another dataset? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, June 28, 2019, 7:39 AM, Mark Jacobs <0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Outside of using dataset conditional access

Re: Dataset encryption question

2019-06-28 Thread Mark Jacobs
They don't, but sometimes they do. We have several data management rules in place for HLQ1 datasets, i.e. no backups, which wouldn't carry over if the dataset was copied to HLQ2. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key -

Re: Dataset encryption question

2019-06-28 Thread David Spiegel
Maybe one is SMS-Managed and one isn't. On 2019-06-28 08:52, Mark Jacobs wrote: > They don't, but sometimes they do. We have several data management rules in > place for HLQ1 datasets, i.e. no backups, which wouldn't carry over if the > dataset was copied to HLQ2. > > Mark Jacobs > > > Sent

Re: listcat with only dsn

2019-06-28 Thread Lizette Koehler
One last thought Depending on what you are going to list Option 3.4 can do a good job. When the list is presented, you can issue the SAVE command SAVE without any thing else will place the listing in an ISPF dataset (USE the PF1 HELP Key to see where it goes) Or you can use SAVE MYLIST

controversy? Using _any_ tool or only _specific_ tools?

2019-06-28 Thread John McKown
This is just for discussion. I am seemingly one of few z/OS sysprogs (et al.) who view UNIX services as just another set of tools in the box, along with the "legacy" z/OS tools. E.g. I am just as willing to use "awk" for something as REXX. But I've noticed that many, my manager included, who

Re: Dataset encryption question

2019-06-28 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
Using RACF multi-level security will enable you to do this. See Chapter 5 of the RACF Security Administrators manual, SA23-2289-30. Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw | Security Lead | RSM Partners Ltd   Web:  www.rsmpartners.com ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’

Re: Dataset encryption question

2019-06-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
Actually, with MLS authorized personnel can write down. That's necessary in order to provide unclassified summaries of classified data. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of John

Re: Mapping macro for RCWs?

2019-06-28 Thread Dave Cole
Thanks Peter. That pretty much confirms the negative. Oh well. Dave At 6/23/2019 06:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: The end of that DFSMS section on "Variable-Length Record Formats" does cover the VBS differences and bit settings and capabilities. But again, I'm not aware of any

Re: Mapping macro for RCWs?

2019-06-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 22:38:13 +, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: > ... >I did also mean to say to Dave that I have always seen these prefix fields >referred to as Record or Block *Descriptor* Words, not *Control* Words., but >either or both could be considered appropriate. > For RECFM=VBS, I've

Re: WTO for message that will require explicit deletion?

2019-06-28 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks everyone for your input. Sorry for the delays in responding -- I was OOO for a day plus. I am going to re-phrase this question and post it again. I am going to drop up one level to the "real" problem to be solved. I *suspect* that my problem with DESC=3 not behaving exactly as I hoped

Re: controversy? Using _any_ tool or only _specific_ tools?

2019-06-28 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:42:16 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> Even when I use UNIX for an "ad hoc" report for myself, my manager is >> "unhappy" with it and asks why I don't just use REXX. > >A perfect example of micromanagement, straight out of Dilbert (which is >autobiographical, IMHO.) Yes.

Re: controversy? Using _any_ tool or only _specific_ tools?

2019-06-28 Thread scott Ford
John, A very familiar tune. After reading through this thread, it illustrates the level on ignorance that exists in some companies. I have been seeing unless it paid for we don’t do it . Scott On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 2:04 PM Tom Marchant <

Re: controversy? Using _any_ tool or only _specific_ tools?

2019-06-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
You have to carve the bird at the joints. When the only too in your toolbox is pipe, everything looks like a filter. REXX is a wonderful language for some purposes, but there are things that it does not do well. Does your management really want you to use REXX instead of PL/I or SAS to

Re: WTO for message that will require explicit deletion?

2019-06-28 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 13:49:45 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Thanks everyone for your input. Sorry for the delays in responding -- I was >OOO for a day plus. > >I am going to re-phrase this question and post it again. I am going to drop up >one level to the "real" problem to be solved. > >I

Re: listcat with only dsn

2019-06-28 Thread Mark Zelden
using "NAME" produces two lines (one that includes that catalog). Once you know that catalog adding "CAT(blahblah)" to the LISTCAT will give one line per dataset name. A better option is my version of IGGCSI00 - CATSRCH. It can be used with a panel or just by itself -"TSO CATSRCH

Re: controversy? Using _any_ tool or only _specific_ tools?

2019-06-28 Thread Charles Mills
Of course! You use the best available tool for the job. Now yes, "best" involves many factors including whether there is more than one person in the shop who can maintain the code. But this just sounds like resistance to change. I have always that many in this industry ironically tended to be

Re: LOAD/LINK exit

2019-06-28 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 6/28/2019 4:29 AM, Peter Relson wrote: It has nothing to do with "knowing" anything. It has to do with the environment in which the code calling the exit runs, and avoiding crippling the system by doing something differently that would likely have horrendous performance characteristcs.. It

Re: controversy? Using _any_ tool or only _specific_ tools?

2019-06-28 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Jun 28, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John McKown mailto:john.archie.mck...@gmail.com>> wrote: This is just for discussion. I am seemingly one of few z/OS sysprogs (et al.) who view UNIX services as just another set of tools in the box, along with the "legacy" z/OS tools. E.g. I am just as willing to use

Re: [External] controversy? Using _any_ tool or only _specific_ tools?

2019-06-28 Thread Pommier, Rex
John, There is nothing "efficient and cost effective" in eliminating brain trust material and people who are willing/able to dig in and use the tools available. I've seen firsthand (as I'm sure, many on this list) the short term "gain" and long term crippling of a company by doing just that -

Re: controversy? Using _any_ tool or only _specific_ tools?

2019-06-28 Thread Tom Marchant
For a manager to insist that every program should be written in ReXX is a little like a conductor insisting that everyone in the orchestra should be playing a trombone. -- Tom Marchant On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:27:28 -0500, John McKown wrote: >This is just for discussion. I am seemingly one of

Re: controversy? Using _any_ tool or only _specific_ tools?

2019-06-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:27:28 -0500, John McKown wrote: >This is just for discussion. I am seemingly one of few z/OS sysprogs (et >al.) who view UNIX services as just another set of tools in the box, along >with the "legacy" z/OS tools. E.g. I am just as willing to use "awk" for >something as

Re: controversy? Using _any_ tool or only _specific_ tools?

2019-06-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
> In the late 1960s, That mens that ISYS/IBJOB was available, hence Fortran IV. > FORTRAN II on a 7090. Was that a leftover from the 1950s? > On the 3600, I began using FORTRAN IV facilities. My immediate supervisor frowned Why, when it was also available on the 7090? -- Shmuel (Seymour

Re: controversy? Using _any_ tool or only _specific_ tools?

2019-06-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
Management by inertia. How well does your manager knw REXX (I have my suspicions.)? FWIW, I don't care for Perl syntax but it's one of the languages I use at home. Why? Regexen are too powerful to ignore and CPAN maintains an awesome package library. A programmer with only one language is