Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?)

2015-01-05 Thread Joel Ewing
On 01/05/2015 09:35 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:21:28 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: For TSO, you can probe for known user ids, but you will see a lot of LOGON and IEA989I message in the SYSLOG. Only if you set a specific SLIP trap for this condition. In the video cited:

Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?)

2015-01-05 Thread Charles Mills
] On Behalf Of Joel Ewing Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?) On 01/05/2015 09:35 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:21:28 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: For TSO, you can probe for known user ids

Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?)

2015-01-05 Thread Charles Mills
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?) Back years ago I worked at a Top Secret shop. That product wrote a console message when a log on attempt has occurred that specified an unknown user. Sadly, what was usually seen was a password. It's been years since I

Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?)

2015-01-05 Thread Sam Siegel
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel Ewing Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?) On 01/05/2015 09:35 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:21:28 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: For TSO, you can probe

Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?)

2015-01-05 Thread Lou Losee
I do not believe you will get RACF SMF and console messages for this type of probing. It is my understanding that TSO performs a RACROUTE REQUEST=EXTRACT to obtain the data to fill in the various fields in the logon panel. When retrieving or replacing fields, the RACF manual explicitly states:

Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?)

2015-01-05 Thread Tony's Basement Computer
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 6:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?) Something like this?ICH408I USER(MYPSWD99) GROUP() NAME(??? ) LOGON/JOB INITIATION - USER AT TERMINAL

Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?)

2015-01-05 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 January 2015 at 19:19, Tony's Basement Computer tbabo...@comcast.net wrote: Yep. BTW, how did Mr. Mainframehacker get to the TSO log on screen? Did someone provide the magic VTAM command? I ask from ignorance because I didn't watch 100% of the video and I'm not connect literate. His

Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?)

2015-01-05 Thread Frank Swarbrick
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?) Back years ago I worked at a Top Secret shop.  That product wrote a console message when a log on attempt has occurred that specified an unknown user.  Sadly, what was usually seen

Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?)

2015-01-05 Thread Charles Mills
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?) Something like this?ICH408I USER(MYPSWD99) GROUP() NAME(??? ) LOGON/JOB INITIATION - USER AT TERMINAL DVDU NOT RACF-DEFINED The above was generated using the CICS CESN signon

Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?)

2015-01-05 Thread Charles Mills
IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?) On 5 January 2015 at 19:19, Tony's Basement Computer tbabo...@comcast.net wrote: Yep. BTW, how did Mr. Mainframehacker get to the TSO log on screen? Did someone provide the magic VTAM command? I ask from ignorance because I didn't watch 100% of the video and I'm

Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?)

2015-01-05 Thread Lou Losee
5, 2015 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Enumerating User IDs (was: CANCEL TSO Logon?) Back years ago I worked at a Top Secret shop. That product wrote a console message when a log on attempt has occurred that specified an unknown user. Sadly, what was usually seen was a password. It's been years