Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
Yes, IPO used generate. There was IPOUPDTE and IPOGEN. http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/downloads/9653 Joe On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:08 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > GENERATE rebuilds the target datasets from the distribution data sets; you > still need an MVS/SP system generation or MVSCP to define the I/O > configuration. I don't recall IPO ever using GENERATE, but memory is the > second thing to go. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw [032fff1be9b4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:18 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] > > I ran these CBIPO installs in the early eighties. I am pretty sure it used > SMP/E to perform the generation using the GENERATE command. > I had an MVS/SP driving system of course. The first MVS/XA system I built > was XA 2.1.2 I think. > > Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw > Consultant working on contract for BMC mainframe Services by RSM Partners > ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Pommier, Rex > Sent: 08 December 2020 22:30 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] > > Paul, > > Thank you for that memory jog. Yep, it was MVS/Express. It was a > stand-alone restore tape of MVS/XA (ours was 2.1.7) that once restored was > an IPLable XA system - and reasonably current on maintenance. > > Fun time was going to a class for MVS newbies and using the MVS/express > tape. 8 of us trying to restore stand-alone tapes on top of a VM 4381. > Watching the tape turn ever-so-slowly trying to load MVS. > > So when we initially brought up XA 2.1.7, it was the express tape which > was the starter system soon followed by a CBIPO tape to load down a more > current set of software and yes, there was a SYSGEN in the middle of the > CBIPO install process. > > Those are old, rusty memories. > > Rex > > -Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Feller, Paul > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:20 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] > > For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to > qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that > was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the > MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your > environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. > After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time > ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. > > > > Thanks.. > > Paul Feller > GTS Mainframe Technical Support > > -----Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Mark Jacobs > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] > > The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then > another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. > > Mark Jacobs > > Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. > > GPG Public Key - > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < > 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so > that customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same > physical machine. > > > > Peter > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > > Of Brian France > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > > > I'm not sure what
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
As I recall MVS, Express was tailored to your I/O configuration, so you had more flexibility in your IOCDS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Feller, Paul [02fc94e14c43-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 5:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. Thanks.. Paul Feller GTS Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that > customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical > machine. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian France > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat > ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > > > > > > 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > > > > > > "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > > > > > > accomplished? > > > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional > > > > > > source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic > > > > > > tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at > > > all? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Mark S. Waterbury > > Brian W. France > > Systems Administrator (Mainframe) > > Pennsylvania State University > > Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC > > Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 > > 814-863-4739 > > b...@psu.edu > > There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... > > "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." > > Carl Sagan > > -- > -- > -- > -- > -- > - > > This messa
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
GENERATE rebuilds the target datasets from the distribution data sets; you still need an MVS/SP system generation or MVSCP to define the I/O configuration. I don't recall IPO ever using GENERATE, but memory is the second thing to go. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw [032fff1be9b4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] I ran these CBIPO installs in the early eighties. I am pretty sure it used SMP/E to perform the generation using the GENERATE command. I had an MVS/SP driving system of course. The first MVS/XA system I built was XA 2.1.2 I think. Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Consultant working on contract for BMC mainframe Services by RSM Partners ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: 08 December 2020 22:30 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] Paul, Thank you for that memory jog. Yep, it was MVS/Express. It was a stand-alone restore tape of MVS/XA (ours was 2.1.7) that once restored was an IPLable XA system - and reasonably current on maintenance. Fun time was going to a class for MVS newbies and using the MVS/express tape. 8 of us trying to restore stand-alone tapes on top of a VM 4381. Watching the tape turn ever-so-slowly trying to load MVS. So when we initially brought up XA 2.1.7, it was the express tape which was the starter system soon followed by a CBIPO tape to load down a more current set of software and yes, there was a SYSGEN in the middle of the CBIPO install process. Those are old, rusty memories. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Feller, Paul Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. Thanks.. Paul Feller GTS Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that > customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical > machine. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian France > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat > ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > > > >
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
I ran these CBIPO installs in the early eighties. I am pretty sure it used SMP/E to perform the generation using the GENERATE command. I had an MVS/SP driving system of course. The first MVS/XA system I built was XA 2.1.2 I think. Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Consultant working on contract for BMC mainframe Services by RSM Partners ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: 08 December 2020 22:30 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] Paul, Thank you for that memory jog. Yep, it was MVS/Express. It was a stand-alone restore tape of MVS/XA (ours was 2.1.7) that once restored was an IPLable XA system - and reasonably current on maintenance. Fun time was going to a class for MVS newbies and using the MVS/express tape. 8 of us trying to restore stand-alone tapes on top of a VM 4381. Watching the tape turn ever-so-slowly trying to load MVS. So when we initially brought up XA 2.1.7, it was the express tape which was the starter system soon followed by a CBIPO tape to load down a more current set of software and yes, there was a SYSGEN in the middle of the CBIPO install process. Those are old, rusty memories. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Feller, Paul Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. Thanks.. Paul Feller GTS Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that > customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical > machine. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian France > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat > ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > > > > > > 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > > > > > > "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > > > > > > accomplished? > > > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional > > > > > > source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic > > > > > > tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at > > > all? > &
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
Paul, Thank you for that memory jog. Yep, it was MVS/Express. It was a stand-alone restore tape of MVS/XA (ours was 2.1.7) that once restored was an IPLable XA system - and reasonably current on maintenance. Fun time was going to a class for MVS newbies and using the MVS/express tape. 8 of us trying to restore stand-alone tapes on top of a VM 4381. Watching the tape turn ever-so-slowly trying to load MVS. So when we initially brought up XA 2.1.7, it was the express tape which was the starter system soon followed by a CBIPO tape to load down a more current set of software and yes, there was a SYSGEN in the middle of the CBIPO install process. Those are old, rusty memories. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Feller, Paul Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. Thanks.. Paul Feller GTS Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that > customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical > machine. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian France > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat > ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > > > > > > 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > > > > > > "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > > > > > > accomplished? > > > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional > > > > > > source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic > > > > > > tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at > > > all? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Mark S. Waterbury > > Brian W. France > > Systems Administrator (Mainframe) > > Pennsylvania State University > > Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC > > Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 > > 814-863-4739 > > b...@psu.edu > > There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... > > "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." &
Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL]
For those new to MVS there was the MVS/XA Express option. You have to qualify to get it. A shop I worked at a long time ago was a VSE shop that was going to convert to MVS and that is how we started off. I believe the MVS/XA Express was a complete IPL system that IBM built based on your environment. I think it was basically a restore and IPL type situation. After that I don't recall what had to be done. It was a long (long) time ago so the memory is a little fuzzy. Thanks.. Paul Feller GTS Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? [EXTERNAL] The *fun* memories of a POR before every time we tested MVS/XA and then another one when we went back to MVS/SP for production just returned. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__api.protonmail.ch_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3Dmarkjacobs-40protonmail.com=DwIFaQ=9g4MJkl2VjLjS6R4ei18BA=eUhu3PeeWy6RTndlJVKembFjFsvwCa8eeU_gm45NyOc=KK1yXXNOBVuutibinfGrz7q-E8DxWAgMfozPwM_fdas=Aeq0PrNdOcRqdsiFkHkGJt4xsGO8Guev3vSwvmvSc-s= ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > ISTR there was also a special version of VM/XA made available "early" so that > customers could run both 24-bit MVS/SP and 31-bit MVS/XA on the same physical > machine. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf > Of Brian France > > Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: does anyone recall any details about MVS/XA? > > I kinda remember MVS/XA and later ESA being CBIPO and CBPDO for maint. > > SYSGEN I think was still needed for XA and maybe ESA. > > I'm not sure what you meant by Optional Source Materials. If by that you > meant optional source code to install, I think they went the microsloth bloat > ware option later... > > On 12/8/2020 4:00 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > i thought MVS/XA was CBIPO? > > > > Joe > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:04 PM Mark S Waterbury < > > > > 01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > > > Does anyone recall how MVS/XA was first distributed and installed? e.g. > > > > > > was there some kind of a "starter system"? If so, what was it? MVS > > > > > > 3.8J, or MVS/SE or MVS/SP or what? > > > > > > I seem to recall that someone told me that there was no longer any > > > > > > "SYSGEN" process used to install MVS/XA? So, how was this task > > > > > > accomplished? > > > > > > Also, does anyone recall whether IBM made available any "optional > > > > > > source materials" for MVS/XA, either machine readable, on magnetic > > > > > > tape, or was that only available on microfiche, if it was available at > > > all? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any details anyone can provide. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Mark S. Waterbury > > Brian W. France > > Systems Administrator (Mainframe) > > Pennsylvania State University > > Penn State IT - Infrastructure/SYSARC > > Rm 25 Shields Bldg., University Park, Pa. 16802 > > 814-863-4739 > > b...@psu.edu > > There's no such thing as The Cloud - it's just someone else's computer... > > "To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." > > Carl Sagan > > -- > -- > -- > -- > -- > - > > This messa
